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Iran Shoots Down US UAV Over Nuclear Plan

Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:59 pm

Iran has shot down an unmanned U.S. spy plane over its Fordu nuclear site, a state-run website reported on Wednesday, a day after it confirmed it was installing a new generation of advanced uranium enrichment centrifuges.

Sounds pretty far off - do you believe the reports?

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ts-down-unmanned-US-spy-plane.html
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RE: Iran Shoots Down US UAV Over Nuclear Plan

Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:51 pm

When they show us the wreckage of a Predator then I'll believe it. We have much more survivable assets in use to watch Iran than sending a slow flying target like that into an area covered by air defenses.
 
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RE: Iran Shoots Down US UAV Over Nuclear Plan

Wed Jul 20, 2011 8:59 pm

They've claimed to shoot down US drones over the gulf for two years now, however no shred of evidence has ever been presented. I will doubt their claims till evidence is presented, or at least rack it up there with their Super Plasma Stealth Hovercraft Submarines (TM).
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RE: Iran Shoots Down US UAV Over Nuclear Plan

Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:40 am

It's not that hard to believe. You're talking about a relatively slow moving target and the government has a lot of them up in the air,
 
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RE: Iran Shoots Down US UAV Over Nuclear Plan

Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:36 pm

From the article

"The Pentagon denied that report but acknowledged some spy planes had crashed in the past due to mechanical failure."

Maybe it's not a US drone, but an Israeli drone.  

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RE: Iran Shoots Down US UAV Over Nuclear Plan

Fri Jul 22, 2011 5:23 am

Quoting silentbob (Reply 3):
It's not that hard to believe. You're talking about a relatively slow moving target and the government has a lot of them up in the air,

So...where are the photos? Without photographic evidence, it's EXTREMELY hard to believe from Iran, since they'd be the first ones to parade the wreckage around for all the world to see if they'd really taken one down.
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RE: Iran Shoots Down US UAV Over Nuclear Plan

Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:52 pm

Quoting silentbob (Reply 3):
It's not that hard to believe. You're talking about a relatively slow moving target and the government has a lot of them up in the air,

Oh, technicallly it's possible, I agree with you there. I'm just calling Bullshit on this spokesperson's claim. They've repeatedly claimed similar shoot downs in the past and nothing was ever shown either. Surprised it's still a military drone according to them and hasn't morphed into CIA/MI6/Mossad equipment yet.
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RE: Iran Shoots Down US UAV Over Nuclear Plan

Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:03 pm

You deny every loss until proven otherwise.

You can also say "missing" iso "shot down by the enemy" or say there was a technical issue.

The truth is expendable is these cases, managing perceptions is all.
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RE: Iran Shoots Down US UAV Over Nuclear Plan

Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:20 pm

Quoting keesje (Reply 7):
or say there was a technical issue.
Quoting keesje (Reply 7):

The truth is expendable is these cases

Shrapnel and bullets are pretty sure causes of technical issues, so in this scenario the quasi truth is maintained  
 
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RE: Iran Shoots Down US UAV Over Nuclear Plan

Fri Jul 22, 2011 6:38 pm

Quoting GST (Reply 8):
Shrapnel and bullets are pretty sure causes of technical issues,

AKA . . . Flying FOD   

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RE: Iran Shoots Down US UAV Over Nuclear Plan

Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:55 pm

Why would the US use a Preditor so far inland in Iran? We have much better platforms like Global Hawk (FL-650+), or even the U-2R/S (FL-700+). That is not even counting the many US space based systems.
 
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RE: Iran Shoots Down US UAV Over Nuclear Plan

Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:19 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10):
Why would the US use a Preditor so far inland in Iran? We have much better platforms like Global Hawk (FL-650+), or even the U-2R/S (FL-700+). That is not even counting the many US space based systems.

My thoughts exactly. Why risk the propaganda coup?
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RE: Iran Shoots Down US UAV Over Nuclear Plan

Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:09 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10):


Why would the US use a Preditor so far inland in Iran? We have much better platforms like Global Hawk (FL-650+), or even the U-2R/S (FL-700+). That is not even counting the many US space based systems.

Photography is not the only way to collect information. For example, drone could do air sampling - something you cannot do at FL650 or from the orbit. Or measuring radiation levels. Or doing x-ray and gamma-ray spectroscopy.
I would expect those things can tell much more than simple imaging, and all that needs to be done in vicinity of operating site.
 
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RE: Iran Shoots Down US UAV Over Nuclear Plan

Mon Jul 25, 2011 3:47 pm

Quoting kalvado (Reply 12):

Nice input. In that case the drones may have been operated by the IAEA.   

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