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STS-135: Final Space Shuttle Touchdown 'The End'

Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:22 am

Well it's a big day for everyone. Sad to see this come but it was a great landing. I wish I could see one of these in real life guess I didn't get to   But I did watch this landing on TV and it was a big moment for all.

Now It's time for Russia to pick up the Space Power position. I also heard that 2,000 people will be laid off tomorrow  

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Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:35 am

From my front yard in Orlando. I'm going to miss this sound...
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Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:41 am

Bittersweet day to state it mildly!

I will miss the shuttle program, regardless of it's cost, safety, etc.  
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Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:12 am

A sad day indeed..I will miss the Space Shuttle...so long Atlantis, Endeavor and Discovery!  
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Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:55 pm

Good-bye American space program. The likes of JFK, Alan Shepard, and the 16 US and 1 Israeli astronaut are rolling in their graves. Now we are depending on a country for space transportation that in all honesty, I will never trust. Might as well tell your kids not to want to be astronauts anymore.

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Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:47 pm

Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 3):
A sad day indeed..I will miss the Space Shuttle...so long Atlantis, Endeavor and Discovery!

I have been watching it since I woke up at 6am in Europe... Sad to see the last landing... still a special day to keep in rememberance all time!!!
 
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Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:42 pm

Quoting Dazed767 (Reply 1):
From my front yard in Orlando. I'm going to miss this sound...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNc5H...R9hxM

Best Space Shuttle landing double sonic boom I have heard in a long while.

  

i was about glued to NASA TV since early morning my time until after the astronauts press conference and the employee appreciation event.

Fantastic picture of Atlantis on its way home taken by Exp 28 crew Mike Fossum from the space station.
http://t.co/DK6v0Cw

I am going to miss the Space Shuttles. They are being retired way too early.

Everybody seems to be looking foward to commercial space flights. I am not one of these people. It will be the ones with the most money who will get to Space - not the ones who have/need to be there.

You will have multiple Dennis Tito, Ansaris, Laiberté, those with the Millions of Euros taking the places of those who really have to be in the Station.

Just imagine. The mega-rich will be able to outbid astronauts and researchers for the seats. Private means the one who puts down the most money wins. I will certainly not be excited to see Mr or Mrs Mega-Millions and their friends get on board a commercial space flight.

This is what getting Space flight to go commercial is all about. The same as I am not thrilled about the idea of having Monsanto or another Big Pharma Corp. hijacking parts of the ISS for some private research only because they can pay.

I am for Space staying in the public domain and being run by government agencies such as JAXA, NASA and ESA.

I am for Space exploration being used for the benefit of all.

I don't want to see space flights going private.

        

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Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:07 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
Fantastic picture of Atlantis on its way home taken by Exp 28 crew Mike Fossum from the space station.
http://t.co/DK6v0Cw

Incredible photo!   
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Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:33 pm

Tribute to the Space Shuttle from the European astronauts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9VXeqzqqss&feature=player_embedded

To Ariane 6 and a brilliant future for ESA!

     
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Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:37 pm

Quoting KPDX (Reply 2):
Bittersweet day to state it mildly!

I will miss the shuttle program, regardless of it's cost, safety, etc.

So will I. Luckily I was fortunate enough to watch two launches live at KSC. Two unforgettable experiences.  .
 
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Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:51 pm

I can't believe I missed NSA's live feed!   

Some more pictures:

http://blogs.sacbee.com/photos/2011/...to-final-s.html#mi_rss=The%20Frame
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Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:56 pm

NASA Engineer friend just posted this text on his FB page along with a picture of his team posing with Atlantis.

This is Atlantis, OV-104, on the runway after its' final flight and the final flight of the space shuttle program. Our Runway Measurement Team of two NASA, two Boeing, and four USA engineers along with a retired astronaut performed all our normal work measuring all the touchdown data and checking all the landing gear/tire systems prior to towing the vehicle back to the VAB. It is a sad thing after working on this for 32 years to see the end and to see this group of excellent engineers and technicians let go. Who knows when the US will put a man in space again themselves.

       
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Fri Jul 22, 2011 12:26 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
Fantastic picture of Atlantis on its way home taken by Exp 28 crew Mike Fossum from the space station.
http://t.co/DK6v0Cw

Poor fake. Entire reeentry was during a night time pass, earth was not sunlit.

edit: Apparently this pix is also on the NASA website. Sure looks fake and unlikely to me though.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
Everybody seems to be looking foward to commercial space flights. I am not one of these people. It will be the ones with the most money who will get to Space - not the ones who have/need to be there.

You can't buy a seat at all now, which means ordinary folks will NEVER get to go under the present scheme. Imagine if airmail had remained with the gov't, planes were crashing right & left with NO passengers - had that continued we would not have the commercial airlines we have today.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
Just imagine. The mega-rich will be able to outbid astronauts and researchers for the seats. Private means the one who puts down the most money wins. I will certainly not be excited to see Mr or Mrs Mega-Millions and their friends get on board a commercial space flight.

Bidding for seats to space? Where is this occuring?

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
This is what getting Space flight to go commercial is all about. The same as I am not thrilled about the idea of having Monsanto or another Big Pharma Corp. hijacking parts of the ISS for some private research only because they can pay.

You'd rather let it go unused? Oh and check your shuttle history... same thing happened with shuttle...

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Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:22 am

I have never seen a landing up close before - and never at night. It was a powerful experience. I wish I could re-create the experience for you. We couldn't see the shuttle and the only warning we got (besides the sonic boom-boom) was the swooshing getting louder and louder. Our eyes were searching the runway threshold...it was so loud, yet we don't see it...there was so much anticipation...where to aim and point the camera? And then the shuttle appeared suddenly. It was so loud and so low to the runway. And remember the shuttle is an unpowered glider! The xenon beams lit it up so brightly, it was like a magic act appearing out of nowhere. IMHO, the landing was just as incredible as the launch, but unique and special in its own way.

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Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:57 am

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 12):
Poor fake. Entire reeentry was during a night time pass, earth was not sunlit.

The part of Earth you see in the pic is *not* sunlit.
Compare the picture above with this one:

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Fri Jul 22, 2011 4:56 am

The end of an era and a sad day.
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Fri Jul 22, 2011 6:58 am

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 12):
You can't buy a seat at all now, which means ordinary folks will NEVER get to go under the present scheme.

That will change. NASA will have no more monopoly of US human flight to Space. Commercial means what it means. Buy and sell. They will not restrict it to a certain type.
Whoever pays the price tag and puts the money on the table will go.

All in the future. We don't know when.

Roscosmos are the winners.

Russia declares 'era of Soyuz' after shuttle

Moscow on Thursday declared it is now "the era of the Soyuz" after the US shuttle's last flight left the Russian system as the sole means for delivering astronauts to the International Space Station.

http://news.yahoo.com/russia-declares-era-soyuz-shuttle-133921047.html

  
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Fri Jul 22, 2011 7:39 am

The shutdown of the space shuttle program and the consequent loss of the United State's ability to independently send its own Astronauts into space is an unparalleled national tragedy.


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Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:39 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 17):
The shutdown of the space shuttle program and the consequent loss of the United State's ability to independently send its own Astronauts into space is an unparalleled national tragedy.

Absolutely, positively well-said.
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Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:24 am

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 14):
Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 12):
Poor fake. Entire reeentry was during a night time pass, earth was not sunlit.

The part of Earth you see in the pic is *not* sunlit.
Compare the picture above with this one:

http://outsidetheinbox.freedombloggi...l.jpg

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Fri Jul 22, 2011 1:29 pm



Quoting aal151heavy (Reply 13):
It was a powerful experience. I wish I could re-create the experience for you.

Ben, I agree. It is the most memorable STS experiences for me i.e. night landings. There is nothing like a screaming orbiter coming at you in the dark! Lovely shot! Well done! I am sorry we could not spend more time together out there. Hope to see you when the Dream Chaser or something else goes up,too!



This video below says it all for me. My time with the orbiters is not done but it moves into a new phase. Uncharted territory for me but as one of my dear NASA team members told me as I pulled out of the parking lot at KSC post mission yesterday : " This is not the end but a new beginning!" Mark those words, we wont let the STS program down.

http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/video...lery/index.html?media_id=100262181

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Fri Jul 22, 2011 3:13 pm

This is a very sad day! I always wanted to see a launch, someday. I've been at KSC in spring 2001, but unfortunately, there was no launch during my stay. After I never had enough money for another vacation in Florida, but I never gave up the hope, that someday I'd get the chance to see a launch... Now this hope was killed...

Also I loved the shuttles as a part of incredible machinery, I loved their look, you could say, I'm a real fan, owning Shirts, models and other collectibles.

I don't think, I will ever go to see them in the museums. It is so damn sad to see them heading to museums to rust in peace (I really mean rust). They should continue doing, what they are build for, taking humans to space.

I feel like I lost a close friend....Might sound melodramatic, but I feel this way..
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Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:47 pm

Quoting wolverine (Reply 21):
I feel like I lost a close friend....Might sound melodramatic, but I feel this way..

That's not even a little melodramatic...something as truly amazing as the ability to put people into space should be lost without feeling some sadness.
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Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:25 pm

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 14):
The part of Earth you see in the pic is *not* sunlit.
Compare the picture above with this one:

Absolutley correct... which leaves one wondering what lit the terrain while at the same time keeping the exposure short enough to avoid from blurring the shot.....

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 16):
That will change. NASA will have no more monopoly of US human flight to Space. Commercial means what it means. Buy and sell. They will not restrict it to a certain type.
Whoever pays the price tag and puts the money on the table will go.

Which is a good thing as it means that eventually you and I (or people very similiar) get to go... Ordinary people, Macauliffe aside, were never going to ride shuttle...

It bears repeating... if airmail had been left to the gov't you would not have the commercial airlines we see today.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 16):
All in the future. We don't know when.

Same uncertainties existed after Mercury, Gemini, & Apollo. We accomplished far more than the "other guy" who stayed with the same booster, a very similiar spacecraft, and no program shutdowns in 50 years. Our Chinese friends are today where the US was in 1964...

Quoting Max Q (Reply 17):
The shutdown of the space shuttle program and the consequent loss of the United State's ability to independently send its own Astronauts into space is an unparalleled national tragedy.

Given the history of US human spaceflight I would submit that the occasional shutdown and rethink of the program is a good thing.

I will also note that very few of the individuals who cry for the end of the shuttle program have offered any worthwhile missions for it to do were it to continue. Iss is complete. Shuttle is too small & too expensive for human spaceflight beyond earth orbit. It has no mission, let it die.
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Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:56 pm

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 23):
Absolutley correct... which leaves one wondering what lit the terrain while at the same time keeping the exposure short enough to avoid from blurring the shot.....

It seems to me that the shot is in fact blurred. Look at the clouds.

Quoting B738FlyUIA (Reply 19):
Wonderful... I guess it's Cairo, Egypt

Hm, I thought it was Cairo, Egypt.  
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Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:56 pm

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 24):
It seems to me that the shot is in fact blurred. Look at the clouds.

Not as much as it should be. It will interesting to hear how the pix was taken.
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Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:47 am

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 23):

Given the history of US human spaceflight I would submit that the occasional shutdown and rethink of the program is a good thing.



There is a significant difference between now, the end of the Shuttle and the end of the Apollo Program.


When Apollo was shut down the shuttle and the ISS were planned for and 'on the horizon'


There is / are no concrete proposals to replace the Shuttle or provide for any vehicle to carry American Astronauts into space, it is not a 'rethink' it's an abandonment of the United States role in space.


I will also note that very few of the individuals who cry for the end of the shuttle program have offered any worthwhile missions for it to do were it to continue. Iss is complete. Shuttle is too small & too expensive for human spaceflight beyond earth orbit. It has no mission, let it die.

ISS will need to be resupplied over many more years and, occasionally with parts too large or heavy to be brought up by the Russians. As a result of this the space station will slowly become less capable and less servicable until, long before its time it will have to be abandoned.



There is always a mission for the US in space, this capability is both a scientific and national security priority and obligation of the first order.
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Sat Jul 23, 2011 5:00 am

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 23):
Absolutley correct... which leaves one wondering what lit the terrain while at the same time keeping the exposure short enough to avoid from blurring the shot.....

Moonlight?

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Sat Jul 23, 2011 6:36 am

So now that the Shuttle Program is over, what happens to the Landing Facility? Has it been used for anything else other than Space Shuttle landings? How about the Vehicle Assembly Building or the Orbiter Processing Facilities? Will those buildings have any use in the future?

Also, here's some interesting pictures of a stripped-down Discovery being moved to the VAB: http://www.universetoday.com/87477/s...etirement-at-kennedy-space-center/
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Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:19 am

Thats a very sad sight
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Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:15 am

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Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:47 am

There was an Israeli Astronaut on Columbia.
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Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:54 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 26):
ISS will need to be resupplied over many more years and, occasionally with parts too large or heavy to be brought up by the Russians. As a result of this the space station will slowly become less capable and less servicable until, long before its time it will have to be abandoned.

The ESA have already sent 2 ATVs to ISS. These can carry several thousand pounds of supplies, plus racks for experiments, etc. They can off-load equipment no longer needed and the inevitable build-up of trash. What the ATV cannot do presently is re-enter to a reasonably soft landing. Their re-entries are destructive.

Japan hopes to launch their own ATV-like vehicle I believe this year. If not 2011, then next year.

I think the biggest issue is orbit re-boost. Not sure how much capability either Soyuz or Progress has in this area.
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Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:22 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 26):
ISS will need to be resupplied over many more years and, occasionally with parts too large or heavy to be brought up by the Russians. As a result of this the space station will slowly become less capable and less servicable until, long before its time it will have to be abandoned.

Convienently leaving out the European & Japanese cargo spacecraft both of which have already flown to the station. The Japanese spacecraft has a capability similiar to the shuttles MPLM and can carry external cargo as well. Not to mention the SpaceX Dragon cargo spacecraft which will be flying to the station next year. ... and oh yes the Russians have a cargo capability as well. So no further mission for shuttle here... next...

http://www.jaxa.jp/projects/rockets/htv/index_e.html

edit: Added Jaxa website for HTV

Quoting Max Q (Reply 26):
There is always a mission for the US in space, this capability is both a scientific and national security priority and obligation of the first order.

Missions for the US yes... However the US has NO mission for the shuttle, with no mission for it there's no point in continuing the program.

Quoting Mir (Reply 27):
Moonlight?

That was my thought as well

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 32):
Japan hopes to launch their own ATV-like vehicle I believe this year. If not 2011, then next year.

It's already flown.

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 32):
I think the biggest issue is orbit re-boost. Not sure how much capability either Soyuz or Progress has in this area.

Reboost is no issue. Russian segment has engines. Progress can tanker fuel.

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Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:59 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 26):
There is a significant difference between now, the end of the Shuttle and the end of the Apollo Program.


When Apollo was shut down the shuttle and the ISS were planned for and 'on the horizon'

What is the significant difference? Shuttle was certainly on the drawing boards at the end of Apollo, ISS however was no where in sight. Apollo flew last in 1975, Shuttle didn't launch until 1981. In the intervening period the Shuttle program was often in doubt and it was by no means certain when or if it would fly. A situation very similiar to the present one except of course that elements of Constellation, F9, and Dragon have ALREADY flown.
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Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:16 pm

The STS program ends 30 days from wheels stop but there is a new sun just beneath the horizon.

ISS pass over the KSC. It was really cool to the ISS do her pass as we awaited in the tower for Atlantis to come down. This picture was taken about 15 minutes before landing.

1.
http://www.atapattu.net/STS135landing/sts135I.jpg
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http://www.atapattu.net/STS135landing/sts135H.jpg


Atlantis being processed immediately after landing, Note the jumping fish on the left of the picture.
http://www.atapattu.net/STS135landing/sts135a.jpg
KSC fire rescue gets their picture taken with the orbiter
http://www.atapattu.net/STS135landing/sts135f.jpg


Atlantis During rollback to OPF #02.
http://www.atapattu.net/STS135landing/sts135e.jpg
http://www.atapattu.net/STS135landing/sts135d.jpg

Final move into OPF #02
Crew manning the cockpit as she gets pulled in for the final stop.
http://www.atapattu.net/STS135landing/4A6U9642aout.jpg
Ground crew guide her in
http://www.atapattu.net/STS135landing/4A6U9641aout.jpg

at wheels stop. final wheels stop.
http://www.atapattu.net/STS135landing/4A6U9630aout.jpg

Overhead view
http://www.atapattu.net/STS135landing/4A6U9667aout.jpg

Quoting Max Q (Reply 17):
The shutdown of the space shuttle program and the consequent loss of the United State's ability to independently send its own Astronauts into space is an unparalleled national tragedy.

That is pure hyperbole. It is understandable that people have go their panties in a twist. People just need to relax and take chill pill. There is plenty of good stuff ahead.
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Sat Jul 30, 2011 2:29 am

Quoting eksath (Reply 35):
There is plenty of good stuff ahead.

Let's hope so, but for the next several years we have a whole lot of nothing.
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Sat Jul 30, 2011 4:33 pm

Quoting starrion (Reply 36):
Let's hope so, but for the next several years we have a whole lot of nothing.

That is not so. Space X's Falcon rocket will be doing delivery to the ISS in Nov. The next step in man/woman rating it. Watchout for that.

Next friday, the JUNO mission launches on an Atlas V.

That and the rest:

Date: Aug. 5
Mission: Juno
Launch Vehicle: Atlas V
Launch Site: Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Fla.
Launch Time: 11:34 a.m. EDT
Description: The solar-powered Juno spacecraft is to orbit Jupiter's poles 33 times to find out more about the gas giant's origins, structure, atmosphere and magnetosphere.

Date: Sept. 8
Mission: GRAIL
Launch Vehicle: Delta II Heavy
Launch Site: Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Fla.
Launch Times: 8:37:06 a.m. and 9:16:12 a.m. EDT
Description: The Gravity Recovery and Interior Laboratory mission's primary science objectives will be to determine the structure of the lunar interior from crust to core and to advance understanding of the thermal evolution of the moon.

Date: Oct. 25
Mission: NPP
Launch Vehicle: Delta II
Launch Site: Vandenberg Air Force Base, Calif.
Launch Window: 2:47:35 a.m. - 2:57:35 a.m. PDT / 5:47:35 a.m. - 5:57:35 a.m. EDT
Description: The National Polar-orbiting Operational Environmental Satellite System Preparatory Project (NPP) mission for NASA and NOAA is to measure Earth's atmospheric and sea surface temperatures, humidity sounding, land and ocean biological activity and cloud and aerosol properties.

Date: Nov. 25 *
Mission: Mars Science Laboratory, Curiosity Rover
Launch Vehicle: Atlas V
Launch Site: Cape Canaveral Air Force Station
Launch Time: 10:21 a.m. EST
Description: The Mars Science Laboratory is a rover that will assess whether Mars ever was, or is still today, an environment able to support microbial life and to determine the planet's habitability.
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RE: STS-135: Final Space Shuttle Touchdown 'The End'

Mon Aug 08, 2011 12:29 am

Here is a lnk to 360 view of inside Disovers Cockpit a friend shared with me. I know its not Atlantis, but I dont imagine there are many differences, plus... Its still pretty neat!

http://360vr.com/2011/06/22-discovery-flight-deck-opf_6236/index.html

Use your mouse to pan around.

[Edited 2011-08-07 17:30:53]
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RE: STS-135: Final Space Shuttle Touchdown 'The End'

Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:07 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 17):
unparalleled national tragedy

Oh come on! It's sad. It sucks. It's disappointing, etc. But an unparalleled national tragedy? Worse than any war we've ever been in? Hardly. It's not as bad as the Oklahoma City bombing or 9/11. I would say it's not even as bad as either of the shuttle losses. Let's keep some perspective here.

It doesn't make me happy but in the grand scheme of things, it's not that big a deal.

I'd prefer that we had a replacement vehicle far along the development process.
 
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RE: STS-135: Final Space Shuttle Touchdown 'The End'

Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:00 pm

Quoting StuckInCA (Reply 39):
I'd prefer that we had a replacement vehicle far along the development process.

... and as it happens we do....

http://www.spacex.com/updates.php

First cargo Dragon going to ISS no earlier than 30 Nov.
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RE: STS-135: Final Space Shuttle Touchdown 'The End'

Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:00 pm

With the Soyuz crash, are there any possibilities of a STS-136? Or is the Space Shuttle program so completely shut down, there is no way of another couple of three missions if the Soyuz are deemed unsafe.


http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...9/soyuz-crash-as-yet-unsolved.html
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RE: STS-135: Final Space Shuttle Touchdown 'The End'

Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:41 pm

Quoting oykie (Reply 41):
With the Soyuz crash, are there any possibilities of a STS-136? Or is the Space Shuttle program so completely shut down, there is no way of another couple of three missions if the Soyuz are deemed unsafe.

With the usual caveat that with a sufficient infusion of cash, pretty much anything is possible, but no, there won't be an STS-136. Not least, there's only one (semi) flyable external tank (there are also three partially built tanks), but it (ET-94) is an old LWT tank, and would require a big hit in payload for an ISS mission. Also the production line was mothballed a year ago, and much of the support infrastructure is in the process of being shut down.

I’d say it’s highly improbably that you could launch a shuttle in less than a year, no matter the amount of funding, and likely longer than that. I don’t think anyone thinks it will take the Russians anywhere near that long that get Soyuz straightened out again.

ET-94 is also intended for SLS testing.
 
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RE: STS-135: Final Space Shuttle Touchdown 'The End'

Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:37 pm

Thanks for some info on the state of the production line. It seems as though you are right. It is too late for a STS-136. I hope the impact on ISS use will be limited.
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