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V-22 More Common Now?

Mon Aug 15, 2011 1:27 am

So in the span of 3 weeks, I've now seen 3 V-22 Ospreys, when I've only known them in pictures previously. They've been in service for, what, 10-12 years now?

I saw 2 over Colorado Springs a few weeks ago.
I saw one Friday the other day skirting the Jersey Shore beaches.

So, does anyone in the know, know? Are they now stationed at Peterson AFB or McGuire AFB? Or was I lucky to see transients? I'm assuming the New Jersey one was on a traininging, they were rather low and conspicuous parallel to the beach, I thought it was another helicopter sight-seer after I figured out it wasn't an old Maule towing an advertising banner.

Just curious, appreciate any info. Cool aircraft! Very distinctive.

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RE: V-22 More Common Now?

Mon Aug 15, 2011 1:32 am

A pair of them flew right over me while I was in a kayak on Lake Tahoe 2 or 3 weeks ago.
 
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RE: V-22 More Common Now?

Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:00 am

Quoting rampart (Thread starter):
Are they now stationed at Peterson AFB or McGuire AFB?

There are Marine Units at Joint Base McGuire/Dix/Lakehurst, HMLA-773 and HMH-772, however they fly AH-1s, UH-1s and CH-53Es. MAG 49 is also based at Joint Base MDL, so perhaps they were paying a visit.
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RE: V-22 More Common Now?

Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:08 am

The only one I've seen in COS was one up by Briargate about 4 years ago. Maybe if they approve the low-level corridor along the front range for the C-130s and V-22a we;d see a few more. They never send them up for USAFA football game flyovers.
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RE: V-22 More Common Now?

Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:58 am

Quoting rampart (Thread starter):
They've been in service for, what, 10-12 years now?

Not to nitpick, but I think they entered operational service only around 2007; however, they have been flying for a lot longer.
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RE: V-22 More Common Now?

Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:35 am

Quoting redflyer (Reply 4):
Not to nitpick, but I think they entered operational service only around 2007; however, they have been flying for a lot longer.

Exactly, near Eglin AFB in the mid to late 90's I saw one fly over at altitude from the USAF Armarment Museum and later that week coming in on final approach with engines at 45 or so.. got pictures of both was nice as they were years from being 'common' sights.
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RE: V-22 More Common Now?

Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:00 am

I unfortunately get to see and hear them everyday. Thats saying something, because I can sit at an airport all day and watch aircraft arrive and depart all day long, but I cant stand these.

Quoting rampart (Thread starter):
I saw 2 over Colorado Springs a few weeks ago.

These two may have been up from Kirtland AFB. KAFB houses a training squadron for the air force CV-22's. The marines have also been using Kirtland for their High Altitude training area.
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RE: V-22 More Common Now?

Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:00 pm

There are 6 active squadrons and 1 training squadron of MV-22s in New River, NC. And there may still be some that are assigned to Pax River. A rough estimate would be about 80 or so stationed on the East coast for the Marines. So, much more likely to see one these days. I believe only 3 or 4 of the 7 West coast squadrons have completed the transition, so probably only half as many flying around those parts.
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RE: V-22 More Common Now?

Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:48 pm

Quoting dragon6172 (Reply 7):
I believe only 3 or 4 of the 7 West coast squadrons have completed the transition, so probably only half as many flying around those parts.

Here in San Diego I am starting to see them regularly flying around Miramar MCAS. Pretty fun to watch them and a very distinctive sound, very much a combination of prop-plane and helicopter.

Quoting B727LVR (Reply 6):
I unfortunately get to see and hear them everyday. Thats saying something, because I can sit at an airport all day and watch aircraft arrive and depart all day long, but I cant stand these.

What don't you like about them? I see and hear them regularly now and they don't bother me, I like them so far.

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RE: V-22 More Common Now?

Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:44 pm

Quoting B727LVR (Reply 6):
I unfortunately get to see and hear them everyday. Thats saying something, because I can sit at an airport all day and watch aircraft arrive and depart all day long, but I cant stand these.

I am in ABQ as well and see them all the time, but I still think they are kinda cool. It is a nice change of pace to see one coming in between the usual stream of 737 and CRJ arrivals.
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RE: V-22 More Common Now?

Fri Aug 19, 2011 6:58 am

Quoting desertjets (Reply 9):
I am in ABQ as well and see them all the time, but I still think they are kinda cool. It is a nice change of pace to see one coming in between the usual stream of 737 and CRJ arrivals

True it is nice to see something other than the usual in ABQ.

Quoting tugger (Reply 8):
What don't you like about them? I see and hear them regularly now and they don't bother me, I like them so far.

Their blade noise when they are landing drives me nuts, plus it rattles my whole hangar, which is 300-400 yards from them. Also I was deployed to Iraq with the Navy as a customs inspector, during their "test deployment." We inspected their parts and equipment going back to the states, along with many other units. They deployed 6 aircraft, and in that 3 months, they replaced 35 engines and 18 transmissions and rotor heads. I asked the field reps, what the avg life of the engine was over there and I was told 6-8 hours, between engine change. When they were packing up to go home, I asked how the test deployment went, and they told me it was a "successful deployment." I just shook my head and walked away. I work with a guy who worked on the 22's here in ABQ, as an engine guy, and when I told him this, he told me that he wasnt surprised, and that the longest engine he had last for him was 13hrs. He worked on them for over 2 years. I'm sure or atleast hope these "problems" have been corrected. Long story short, these short comings along with the continued pressure to use them has turned me away from this platform. Even though they are faster than helicopters in straight flight, helicopters have them beat for speed in the vertical landing and take-offs.

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RE: V-22 More Common Now?

Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:37 am

Now is the time to write your reps and tell them to can the second V-22 buy. The aircraft is cool and it sort of works, but it's a money pit and that is the one thing that it's supporters will never be able to justify.

They can argue you all day long on nearly everything else as they seemingly have an answer for everything else, but they cannot justify the exhorbitant costs it took to just get to this point, let alone the costs necessary to keep the aircraft in the air. Use it as a small numbered force and for half the price their asking for to buy the second half of the buy, they can buy S-92 or EH-101's and save all the rest of that money for the rest of the air wing, that oh by the way, they want to spend on the most expensive variant of the JSF on. If the Marines are going to operate F-35C's off CVN's, than why just save half the price again and buy Super Hornets?
 
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RE: V-22 More Common Now?

Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:48 pm

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 11):
If the Marines are going to operate F-35C's off CVN's, than why just save half the price again and buy Super Hornets?

How much would you actually save since that would drive up the unit cost on the F-35.
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