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Assessment: KC-46A Tanker Low Cost/Technical Risk

Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:46 pm

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Boeing Co. (BA)’s aerial tanker program poses “low” cost and technical risk to the Pentagon and only a “moderate” risk that it will fall behind schedule, according to a U.S. Air Force assessment.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...technical-risk-air-force-says.html

Nice to see this moving along so far. It would appear this contradicts the earlier reports that implied the USAF was duped by Boeing into picking up a large share of any over-runs.
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RE: Assessment: KC-46A Tanker Low Cost/Technical Risk

Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:23 pm

Wait, this would be the same Air Force that not so long ago evaluated the KC-30 as the superior tanker? We all know what happened there.  

I guess the AF can say it's low-risk financially, because, IIRC, Boeing's already bumped the price up to the maximum that requires additional AF (Govt.) spending. Any cost rises now are completely at Boeing's expense.
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RE: Assessment: KC-46A Tanker Low Cost/Technical Risk

Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:35 am

Quoting redflyer (Thread starter):
Nice to see this moving along so far. It would appear this contradicts the earlier reports that implied the USAF was duped by Boeing into picking up a large share of any over-runs.

There was no way Airbus was going to get that tanker contract. It was nothing more than just a side-show. That's the gv't for you.
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RE: Assessment: KC-46A Tanker Low Cost/Technical Risk

Thu Sep 22, 2011 3:51 am

Quoting scbriml (Reply 1):
Wait, this would be the same Air Force that not so long ago evaluated the KC-30 as the superior tanker? We all know what happened there.

*Yawn*
Not so long ago the KC-30 was the superior aircraft, based on the way that particular RFP was written and how rules were broken along the way to ensure the KC-30 was the "superior" aircraft.
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RE: Assessment: KC-46A Tanker Low Cost/Technical Risk

Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:12 pm

Quoting redflyer (Reply 3):
Not so long ago the KC-30 was the superior aircraft, based on the way that particular RFP was written and how rules were broken along the way to ensure the KC-30 was the "superior" aircraft.

Exactly my point! The same AF that managed that debacle is now saying the KC-46 program is low risk. IMHO, the chances of the AF being right this time are, shall we say, debatable?

Quoting redflyer (Reply 3):
*Yawn*

Sorry to bore you.
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RE: Assessment: KC-46A Tanker Low Cost/Technical Risk

Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:09 pm

Seems like Boeing got themselves a poisoned gift by bidding a price so sharp they are potentially to
loose many millions.
http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/m...f-boeing-tankers-keeps-rising.html

Quoting from the link:
Cost of Boeing tankers keeps rising
Puget Sound Business Journal
Date: Monday, November 28, 2011, 5:21am PST

Boeing Co. may make "zero profit" on its new refueling tanker it's building for the U.S. Air Force and could exceed by as much as $500 million the cost ceiling on its tanker contract.

The Washington Post reports Boeing is responsible for any costs above $4.8 billion associated with the new tanker, which is built on Boeing's 767 commercial airplane platform, and above $4.9 billion, Air Force officials say Boeing makes "zero profit." Boeing's bid to win the tanker contract from Europe's EADS was extremely aggressive.
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RE: Assessment: KC-46A Tanker Low Cost/Technical Risk

Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:16 pm

Quoting Arniepie (Reply 5):
Seems like Boeing got themselves a poisoned gift by bidding a price so sharp they are potentially to
loose many millions.
http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/m...f-boeing-tankers-keeps-rising.html

Quoting from the link:
Cost of Boeing tankers keeps rising
Puget Sound Business Journal
Date: Monday, November 28, 2011, 5:21am PST

Boeing Co. may make "zero profit" on its new refueling tanker it's building for the U.S. Air Force and could exceed by as much as $500 million the cost ceiling on its tanker contract.

The Washington Post reports Boeing is responsible for any costs above $4.8 billion associated with the new tanker, which is built on Boeing's 767 commercial airplane platform, and above $4.9 billion, Air Force officials say Boeing makes "zero profit." Boeing's bid to win the tanker contract from Europe's EADS was extremely aggressive.

That $4.8 billion contract price is for the first tranche of aircraft, which I think is for 18 copies. I believe I read somewhere that Boeing wasn't expecting to make a profit on those first deliveries. Their profit, however, small it may be, will come from the remaining deliveries of 161...or so everyone at Boeing hopes.
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