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US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:55 am

Short of opting for the F-35, the F-18 Super Hornet could provide JASDF good value for the Yen.

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Boeing, US Navy Deliver Proposal to Equip Japan Air Self Defense Force with Advanced Super Hornets

TOKYO, Sept. 25, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing and the U.S. Navy have delivered a proposal to the government of Japan offering the advanced F/A-18E Super Hornet Block II to become the Japan Air Self Defense Force's (JASDF) next premier fighter aircraft. The F/A-18E Block II is the United States' newest operational and combat-proven fighter aircraft.

"The Super Hornet is the world's most advanced multirole fighter and its selection would provide the Japan Air Self Defense Force with new, unprecedented capability," said Boeing Japan President Mike Denton. "The Super Hornet can provide the government of Japan with guaranteed pricing and a guaranteed delivery timeline, while equipping the JASDF with superior multirole capability for the defense of Japan.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Boeing...ver-prnews-503976167.html?x=0&.v=1



Per the Japan F-X RFP an initial batch of 40-50 fighters will be ordered, with the first 12 to be delivered by 2017.
Its also expected BAE Systems teamed with Sumitomo Corp will offer the Eurofighter Typhoon.
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RE: US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Mon Sep 26, 2011 5:26 pm

It would be stupid for anyone to buy a 4th gen fighter today, no matter how much fancy avionic crap you can cram into it. Time for the US to start selling the F-22 to its allies, this includes Japan, Canada, etc. The production line stays open, US gets money and North America gets air defence with a fleet of Raptors. Win - win.
 
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RE: US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:44 pm

Obama Says F-22A Raptor Is "outdated" (by Geezer Sep 15 2011 in Military Aviation & Space Flight)

If Obama is right, and the F22A is outdated, then who will want to buy it?.
 
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RE: US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:05 pm

Quoting Powerslide (Reply 1):
Time for the US to start selling the F-22 to its allies, this includes Japan, Canada, etc.

It truly is! Russia has stealth, China has stealth, best thing to do if the US cant afford more F-22s is to sell as many as possible to allies. As long as they are flying around... doesn't need to have the stars and bars on it.


Canada probably wouldn't go for such a 1 trick pony... thoroughbred or not. Sell them to Israel, Japan, South Korea, Australia... anyone who has stated an interest in them. I think Australia would be a great candadate. They are looking at 100 F-35s, 40 F-22s and 60 F-35s would be a lethal combination.


Lockheed needs to offer a F-22L, the same concept as the F-18L. Lighter, cheaper, not as advanced as the full blown F-22, upgradeable to the full standard if needed. The airframe itself cant cost that much more than a F-15E airframe... put 4.5 gen gear in F-22 with no stealth coating, lesser electronics, and no thrust vectoring.
 
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RE: US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:28 pm

Quoting Oroka (Reply 3):
It truly is! Russia has stealth, China has stealth, best thing to do if the US cant afford more F-22s is to sell as many as possible to allies.

Tell that to the morons in congress who have prevented any sale to allies. Given the run down in the F22 production line, even if permission was given now, even Tokyo, who pay several times more for any equipment anyone else will pay, won't want one. The costs to restart the line will be exorbitant even by Tokyo standards.
 
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RE: US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:42 pm

Quoting Oroka (Reply 3):
put 4.5 gen gear in F-22 with no stealth coating, lesser electronics, and no thrust vectoring.

That's like buying a Z06 and swapping everything back to the base corvette.
 
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RE: US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:31 pm

Quoting trex8 (Reply 4):
Tell that to the morons in congress who have prevented any sale to allies.

In their defense, the T-50 and J-20 didnt exist, or were paper airplanes. The Chinese jet was just a rumor, and the T-50 was potentially another MiG 1.44 or SU-47 technology demonstrator.


While the long lead items for the F-22 are finished, the jigs are being stored. Im sure that if the okay went through, the Japanese would be happy to provide the needed parts themselves.

Quoting Powerslide (Reply 5):
That's like buying a Z06 and swapping everything back to the base corvette.

If they do it at the factory, it is a corvette. If you cant afford a Z06, the corvette is better than a new grand prix.

[Edited 2011-09-26 15:35:12]
 
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RE: US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:42 pm

Quoting Powerslide (Reply 1):
Time for the US to start selling the F-22 to its allies, this includes Japan, Canada, etc. The production line stays open, US gets money and North America gets air defence with a fleet of Raptors. Win - win

The Canadians will never pony up for Raptors. I might consider selling them to Japan, but that's about it.

Quoting Oroka (Reply 3):
China has stealth,

Not for several more years at least.

Quoting Oroka (Reply 3):
best thing to do if the US cant afford more F-22s is to sell as many as possible to allies.

Ditch the F-35 first, and then buy more F-22s.
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RE: US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:37 am

If what the JASDF want is another good all-rounder for not that much dough (like the F-4 in its time) then the Super Bug is the ticket.

Quoting Oroka (Reply 3):
The airframe itself cant cost that much more than a F-15E airframe... put 4.5 gen gear in F-22 with no stealth coating, lesser electronics, and no thrust vectoring.

As the F-35's price continues to soar, I doubt a less capable, new-build F-22 would be more economical. Better an all-up F-15 Silent Eagle than a dumbed-down Raptor. Trouble is, for all the fanfare which surrounded its unveiling, Boeing now proposing the Super Hornet indicates all that hype about the Silent Eagle was nothing more than hot air.

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RE: US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:46 am

The F/A-18E/F just like the F-4 was at the time Japan built them in the early 1980's, is the perfect combination of readily available technology at the absolute best and most economical price. With Boeing willing to let Japan build the aircraft under license just as they did the F-4 Phantoms, lets face it - this is a done deal.

Perhaps Japan will consider the JSF or Typhoon at a later date, but for this RFP, the Super Hornet just as it would be for the US Marines, is the perfect solution. Personally, I think the F-18F's is what they should buy, but that's just me.

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RE: US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:53 am

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 7):
Ditch the F-35 first, and then buy more F-22s.

The F-22 is not a ground attack fighter by any stretch of the imagination. The F-35 has its place, but the F-35B needs to go. In the end, the F-35 will be cheaper than the F-22, and replacing an order for 1760 F-35A with F-22s will cost an additional $40B. There should be more F-22s... at least 300.
 
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RE: US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:38 am

Lockheed Martin proposes what Japan (after the F-22 denial) is seeking.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...submits-f-35-bid-for-japan-362591/

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"Lockheed Martin and the US Air Force have responded to a Japanese request for proposals for a next-generation F-X fighter with a bid using the F-35 Lightning II.

Facing competition from the Boeing F/A-18E Super Hornet Block II and Eurofighter Typhoon, Lockheed is promoting the F-35 as representing 'the pinnacle of fighter aircraft development'.

'We are confident that F-35 delivers unmatched cost-effective capability for Japan's defence, now and well into the future,' said Lockheed campaign director John Balderston. 'We are committed to an enduring F-35 partnership with Japanese industry to deliver F-35's transformational fifth-generation capability for Japan's long-term national security'."


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http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/getasset.aspx?itemid=37576


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RE: US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:45 pm

Quoting trex8 (Reply 4):
The costs to restart the line will be exorbitant even by Tokyo standards.
Quoting Oroka (Reply 6):

While the long lead items for the F-22 are finished, the jigs are being stored. I'm sure that if the okay went through, the Japanese would be happy to provide the needed parts themselves.

I would think Japan would be more than willing to "borrow" the tools and pay to set up a production line in Japan.

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 9):
With Boeing willing to let Japan build the aircraft under license just as they did the F-4 Phantoms, lets face it - this is a done deal.

With Boeing having extensive relations with their Japanese partners, from a business standpoint, it's a no brainier. From an airplane performance wise, that's the rub.

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RE: US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:27 pm

IMO the only thing that is needed to get the F-22 approved to select allies is some stiff lobbying in Washington, pointing out that Russia and China have stealth fighters in the pipes.
 
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RE: US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Wed Sep 28, 2011 6:19 pm

Quoting Oroka (Reply 3):
Lockheed needs to offer a F-22L, the same concept as the F-18L. Lighter, cheaper, not as advanced as the full blown F-22, upgradeable to the full standard if needed. The airframe itself cant cost that much more than a F-15E airframe... put 4.5 gen gear in F-22 with no stealth coating, lesser electronics, and no thrust vectoring.

While I agree with your concept its not going to happen about the only thing the pentagon and congress can agree on lately is that the F-22 is not on the table for anyone an export model was never developed and would cost to much to R&D one. The superhornet while not stealthy should be a viable option for Japan if not and they go with the eurofighter it would be a good option for them also. The F-35 has way to many troubles right now I wouldnt even consider it for a while until the US works all the bugs out of the program. The russian and chinese stealth fighters are still 10 years away from being a viable threat so there is some time not to panic on buying stealthy advanced aircraft that are having problems.
 
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RE: US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Wed Sep 28, 2011 8:45 pm

Quoting Oroka (Reply 10):
The F-22 is not a ground attack fighter by any stretch of the imagination.

There were several iterations of the "FB-22" any of which would probably have provided the same if not better capability than the F-35 for less cost. There is potential in the F-22 airframe and there is no reason other than lack of will why it couldn't be adapted into a fine attack aircraft.

Quoting wvsuperhornet (Reply 14):
The russian and chinese stealth fighters are still 10 years away from being a viable threat so there is some time not to panic on buying stealthy advanced aircraft that are having problems.

If development is not started on improved stealth aircraft now, it will be time to panic before too long. The clock is ticking and if the government doesn't get their house in order they will find others catching up quite quickly.
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RE: US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:05 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 15):

If development is not started on improved stealth aircraft now, it will be time to panic before too long.

Stealth does not counter stealth. A detection system that can detect Stealth will be the counter. I will panic if the US is not working on that now.

An F-18 with a powerful enough radar to detect Stealth and make a kill shot will be sufficient. The question is . . . will the F-18 have such a radar?

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RE: US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:31 pm

Eurofighter completes the lineup of candidates entered for Japan's F-X tender.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...vereign-control-of-typhoon-362596/

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"BAE Systems has submitted the Eurofighter consortium's proposal for Japan's F-X fighter requirement, describing it as representing a 'cost-effective' solution.

In a media release issued on 26 September, Nigel Whitehead, BAE's group managing director programmes and support, described the Eurofighter Typhoon as 'the most capable deterrent to regional threats'.

Whitehead added: 'Through our ability to offer licensed production, maintenance and technology transfer, Japan can have sovereign control of manufacture, support and upgrade of Typhoon aircraft in Japan by Japanese industry.

We are also able to offer software source codes and other data, giving Japan the ability to develop the aircraft itself to meet its own unique needs, now and in the future'."


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RE: US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:44 pm

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 15):
If development is not started on improved stealth aircraft now, it will be time to panic before too long. The clock is ticking and if the government doesn't get their house in order they will find others catching up quite quickly.

You evidently have more confidence in the chinese than I do. The russians have even said they have a good ways to go on their stealth fighter before it can match ours.
 
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RE: US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Thu Sep 29, 2011 4:43 pm

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 17):
We are also able to offer software source codes and other data, giving Japan the ability to develop the aircraft itself to meet its own unique needs, now and in the future'."

So they are selling/licensing the design with all the IPs. IMO It makes business sense. Whether Japan can digest it economically is another issue.
 
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RE: US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Fri Sep 30, 2011 8:46 am

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 16):
Stealth does not counter stealth. A detection system that can detect Stealth will be the counter. I will panic if the US is not working on that now.

I'm quite sure we already have multiple methods of stealth aircraft detection developed. One example of such is it was found the F117 leaves a hole in the sea of EM that is cell tower signals.

The Trillion dollar question really is, what have we put into hardware, and what have we figure out how to counter in our own aircraft. There is a huge difference from being able to tell there is a stealth aircraft up there somewhere, to effective interception guidance. Then another huge leap to guidence systems for actual weapons.

In the end I think stealth will disolve into only being effective for Haves Vs HaveNots. Wars that are Haves Vs Haves will be little changed from where we were 20 years ago, just the planes, missiles and guns will look more sci-fi than years past.

That said, Haves Vs Havenots doesn't need stealth. You need good uptodate sat photos, and a mixture of conventional planes + long range missiles for well defended targets. Look at the utter ruin of Iraq in 90-91. The F117 was just a bonus and not required at all. Not many nations have gotten any real hardware upgrades since then unless they are a major nation, like.. Russia or China. Which for a nation like japan, does it really matter if its a handful of F35 or F18 if Russia or China come calling with any real intent?
 
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RE: US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:59 pm

Quoting cosmofly (Reply 19):
So they are selling/licensing the design with all the IPs. IMO It makes business sense. Whether Japan can digest it economically is another issue.

Japan had prior manufacturing experience with the F-16 and F-15, so it is plausible. And now, LockMart counters with a sweetener.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-japan-f-35-final-assembly-363326/

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"Lockheed Martin has dangled the possibility of final assembly of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter in front of Japan as part of its plan to win the country's F-X fighter competition.

The US airframer confirmed that final assembly and check out, component manufacture, and F-35 maintenance, repair and overhaul have been included in its response to Tokyo's request for proposals.

'These key fifth-generation production technologies are state-of-the art for the aerospace industry, and will provide Japan with a cornerstone for building long-term industrial leadership,' said Lockheed."



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RE: US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Fri Oct 14, 2011 4:33 pm

Quoting Oroka (Reply 3):
doesn't need to have the stars and bars on it

Stars and stripes. The stars and bars belonged to the Confederate States of America during the Civil War. I daresay an F-22 with the stars and bars might cause some Harry Turtledove fans to wonder if their dream has come true and they've stepped into his universe

Quoting BMI727 (Reply 15):
There were several iterations of the "FB-22" any of which would probably have provided the same if not better capability than the F-35 for less cost. There is potential in the F-22 airframe and there is no reason other than lack of will why it couldn't be adapted into a fine attack aircraft.

If memory serves, not quite. The FB-22 was only supposed to carry 30 250-pound SDBs, I believe, with no capacity for JSOWs, JDAMs, or any other A-G ordnance.
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RE: US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:17 pm

Quoting wvsuperhornet (Reply 18):
You evidently have more confidence in the chinese than I do. The russians have even said they have a good ways to go on their stealth fighter before it can match ours.

These things take time. Sure it will take the Chinese a while to catch up, but it will take us at least as long to try and stay ahead. If we're waiting on the Chinese and Russians, we're already late.

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 22):
If memory serves, not quite. The FB-22 was only supposed to carry 30 250-pound SDBs, I believe, with no capacity for JSOWs, JDAMs, or any other A-G ordnance.

That could be taken care of in development. The program got axed in favor of the F-35 way too early.
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RE: US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:09 pm

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 22):
Stars and stripes.

Your flag is the 'Stars and stripes', the roundel on your military aircraft is the 'Star and bars',
 
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RE: US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Sat Oct 22, 2011 8:39 pm

Narrowed down to the F18 and F35.

http://www.nikkei.com/news/headline/...E2E0E2E3E38297EAE2E2E2?n_cid=TW001

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Fighter X F4 and the successor of the Air Self-Defense Force fighter (FX) to decide in November. Ministry of Defense task models from three models to narrow the U.S. and Europe, continue to adjust to the axis of the model involving two U.S. F35 and FA18. Over the next 20 years, only to become the cornerstone of Japan's Defense of sky, in addition to the question of how much can be involved in the production of high performance and domestic companies, which are important factors associated with the U.S. allies.
 
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RE: US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:24 pm

Is Japan even looking for stealth? If not, then the F-18F or F-15SE (which has some stealth capability) would fit the JASDF just fine for the next 20-30 years. I doubt Japan is still interested in the F-22, in any version anymore. They do have their own ATD-X Shin-Shin home grown stealth fighter in development, with the FF scheduled for 2014 with EIS in 2017. The moke-up does look similar to the F-22A.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_ATD-X

Perhaps a fly off compitition between the F/A-18E/F, a modified F-15C/D to simulate the F-15SE, and a modified Tyhoon, to simulate as much as possible the JSDAF configueration?

Can the JASDF have a bomber? I thought that Japan can only have defensive aircraft. Bombers are primarily offensive aircraft, but fighters can be both offensive and defensive. In the defensive mission, fighters are primarily interceptors, the current F-4EJ, F-15J and F-2s do that just fine.
 
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RE: US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:02 pm

According to current philosophy of the IDF, all Japan needs is a BVR AAM truck, and an AESA powered Super Hornet is not only the best bang for the buck, it's better than the JSF in that role.

http://attach.high-g.net/attachments/amraam-dvic409.jpg

Throw in the new improved engines for more thrust, add a second seat in the back (Fox Hornet,) for flexibility - it's frugal and it's ready today. Has anybody heard how many IDF F-2's were ultimately written off to the earthquake/typhoon? They need airframes and they need them tomorrow.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 26):
Perhaps a fly off compitition between the F/A-18E/F, a modified F-15C/D to simulate the F-15SE, and a modified Tyhoon, to simulate as much as possible the JSDAF configueration?

I'd like to see the criteria of Boeing on when the pitch the F-15 Strike Eagle or a Super Hornet, and in the case of Japan how would you even begin to justify the extra cost? Even a proposed Slam Eagle still doesn't have the ability to wield 12 AAM's. And isn't the APG-79 is a better radar than the APG-63(V)XX that they offer in the Eagle?



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RE: US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:14 pm

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 27):
According to current philosophy of the IDF, all Japan needs is a BVR AAM truck, and an AESA powered Super Hornet is not only the best bang for the buck, it's better than the JSF in that role.

Wrong. The JSF can carry 6 internal and 10 external.
 
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RE: US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:49 pm

Quoting Powerslide (Reply 28):
Wrong. The JSF can carry 6 internal and 10 external.

There have been a lot of things in the LM sales brochure that haven't quite made it past the drawing board, and I don't think the F-22 can ever carry that many? No JSF has certainly demonstrated the ability to carry that many AAM's that the Super Hornet has.

[Edited 2011-10-23 15:07:49]
 
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Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:19 pm

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 27):
According to current philosophy of the IDF, all Japan needs is a BVR AAM truck, and an AESA powered Super Hornet is not only the best bang for the buck, it's better than the JSF in that role.

F-35 will get 6 AIM-120 carriage internal at Block 5, and can hang an additional 6 AIM-120's on the wings. And it will STILL have more range than the F/A-18E/F, be more stealthy, and has a better radar overall.
 
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RE: US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:19 pm

Quoting ThePointblank (Reply 30):
F-35 will get 6 AIM-120 carriage internal at Block 5, and can hang an additional 6 AIM-120's on the wings. And it will STILL have more range than the F/A-18E/F, be more stealthy, and has a better radar overall.

But in a decision to be selected next month, Japan isn't in a position (on this F-4 replacement) to bet on hypotheticals. Will the 6 AAM mod be funded and or survive further cuts? I think both aircraft have about a 600nm combat range, do you know something different? The F-35 may have a better overall radar in terms of potential, but it's limited by the physical design on the nose cone and thereby limited by it's ability to cool itself, as I understand it. With plans for a further upgrade on the APG-79, I'm not so sure how much better the JSF radar may actually be.
 
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RE: US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:19 pm

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 27):
Has anybody heard how many IDF F-2's were ultimately written off to the earthquake/typhoon?

I believe there were all 18 F-2Bs (the F-2 trainer version) of the 21 TFS at JST damaged or destroyed by the tsunami. There was not a typhoon involved. Of the 18 F-2Bs, I believe 12 are to be W/O. I also think I read somewhere that some of the Blue Impulse T-4s were also W/O.
 
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RE: US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:48 am

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 31):
But in a decision to be selected next month, Japan isn't in a position (on this F-4 replacement) to bet on hypotheticals. Will the 6 AAM mod be funded and or survive further cuts? I think both aircraft have about a 600nm combat range, do you know something different? The F-35 may have a better overall radar in terms of potential, but it's limited by the physical design on the nose cone and thereby limited by it's ability to cool itself, as I understand it. With plans for a further upgrade on the APG-79, I'm not so sure how much better the JSF radar may actually be.

1. Block 5 is funded; otherwise no SDB, AIM-9X Block 2, JSOW, and addition of inverse SAR mode so it can track maritime targets among other things. Block 5 should start being tested sometime in the 2012-2013 timeframe. The analysis is that most export and partner nations will get their F-35's delivered during Block 5.

What makes it more likely Block 5 will continue to be funded is that unlike F-16, where there are dozens of F-16 configurations in service around the world, and with the USAF, there will only be a handful of F-35 configurations, with early production F-35's being easily upgraded through software updates, and the occasional processor upgrades. With Lockheed Martin having to integrate and clear well over 20 different weapons systems (and that list keeps growing almost every week), it is obvious that they won't be able to have everything in the F-35 by IOC. Once Block 4 arrives, the majority of the weapons systems would have been integrated.

The 6 AAM upgrade is basically development of a new rail to hold 2 missiles on the internal bomb rack. F-35 currently carries a single AIM-120 on each bomb bay door, plus a AIM-120 on the internal bomb rack, meaning 4 AIM-120's. Remember that the internal bomb rack on the F-35A and C are designed for 2500lb weapons (re: big and heavy weapons).

I will pointedly remind you that the F-22's bay was originally designed to accommodate nothing but FOUR (4) AIM-120A/Bs. It wasn't much latter in the program that the ejectors were rearranged to allow it to carry six AIM-120C/Ds. And even later to carry two AIM-120C/Ds and two GBU-32 (1000 lbs) JDAMs or eight GBU-39 SDBs after LRIP had started. The bay was not originally designed to accommodate bombs at all and it was not modified or enlarged. They just happened to fit in there and an ejector was later developed to take advantage of it.

But regardless, with external rails, F-35 will carry 10 AIM-120's, even without the ability to carry 6 AIM-120's internally. That's 2 more than the F/A-18E/F, and it can still fly further on internal fuel (F/A-18E/F will require 3 external drop tanks), and can still reach supersonic if required (F/A-18E/F cannot when carrying weapons due to the canted weapons pylons).

2. The AN/APG-81 radar on the F-35 is based upon the F-22's AN/APG-77 radar, while the F/A-18E/F's AESA radar is essentially the older AN/APG-73 radar backfitted with AESA. The AN/APG-81 most notably has a synthetic aperture radar (SAR) terrain mapping function for air-to-surface surveillance and targeting, meaning that the F-35 essentially has the capabilities of the E-8C JSTARS.

Not to mention the F-35 also has IR all around the aircraft at once. And it can fuse the data from datalinks, radar, Top
 
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RE: US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:43 am

It seems Japan has already made its choice.....

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gener...F-X%20Announcement&channel=defense

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...instay-fighter-jet%3A-reports.html

Japan chooses F-35 as mainstay fighter jet: reports
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RE: US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:49 am

F-35 it is.

42 jets to start with.

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Japan Selects Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/lockheed-martin-f-35-wins-015727987.html
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RE: US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Tue Dec 20, 2011 7:29 am

How stealthy will the F35 be with all this external hardware?.
 
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RE: US Proposes F-18 Super Hornet To Japan

Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:47 am

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 36):
How stealthy will the F35 be with all this external hardware?.

Not very but its wasn't designed to be that way withe external weapons they will be carried internally until the air defenses are knocked out then they can go externally the aircraft along with the F-22 were bothd esigned to operate that way.

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