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German Forces To Switch Helicopters

Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:59 am

In a very surprising move, the german forces have just decided to re-structure their helicopter fleets:


- The CH 53 will leave the army and will be operated by the air force.

- As compensation, all ordered NH 90 from army and air force will be operated by the army.


Source is the 11/11 issue of the Flug Revue on Page 55 and Page 60.
 
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RE: German Forces To Switch Helicopters

Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:15 am

It has been rumored for some time but frankly I do not see any sense in it.

The CH 53 has been the work horse of the Army for nearly 40 years now.
It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
 
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RE: German Forces To Switch Helicopters

Sat Oct 15, 2011 12:12 pm

It seems the Air Force will focus on heavy lifts in the future and the Army will get all NH 90s for cost saving reasons.
 
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RE: German Forces To Switch Helicopters

Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:18 am

Interesting article apparently the Bo 105 fleet is also be retired. The Bo 105 is used in two different roles with the Army. First as an anti-tank helicopter and in this role it is being replaced by the Eurocopter Tiger. The second use of the Bo is as a light utillity helicopter which is also used to insert special forces by rope. The Bo 105 is being retired because it is too expensive to maintain. The FAZ (a big newspaper here in Germany) reports concerns that losing their helicopters would not only reduce the readiness of special forces, but also deprive them of the skills of the highly trained pilots required for special operations.

A possible solution mentioned by the FAZ is for German special forces to lease helicopters.
http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/blogs...99572f-ea7f-4bf8-9795-18f2f066fe79
It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
 
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RE: German Forces To Switch Helicopters

Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:30 am

From http://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschla...10/bundeswehr-ruestung-einschnitte

Germany plans to reduce Eurofighters from 177 to 140
Tiger from 80 to 40
NH90 from 122 to 80

In such a context everything that saves a few € is of importance.
 
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RE: German Forces To Switch Helicopters

Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:30 pm

That looks to be a 30% cut in the German Army and Air Force. Are their any cuts planned for the Navy too?
 
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RE: German Forces To Switch Helicopters

Thu Oct 20, 2011 10:30 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5):
That looks to be a 30% cut in the German Army and Air Force

No, it will be a cut, but Germany, according german media, will offer offset deals to the producing companies, which could result in ordering other types from them.

If you, for example, cut the numbers of eurofighters, it could mean you add some more A400Ms or order the C295 as longterm Orion-replacement.

Cancelling some of the NH90s could mean ordering more EC635 or firming the MH 90 for the navy.

I still wouldn´t rule out the Cougar or the EC145 for germany.
 
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RE: German Forces To Switch Helicopters

Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:55 am

Quoting 328JET (Reply 6):
If you, for example, cut the numbers of eurofighters, it could mean you add some more A400Ms or order the C295 as longterm Orion-replacement.

Cancelling some of the NH90s could mean ordering more EC635 or firming the MH 90 for the navy.

I still wouldn´t rule out the Cougar or the EC145 for germany.

I think a new heavy transport helicopter (CH 53 replacement) will be ordered instead maybe some EC 645 as well.
It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
 
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RE: German Forces To Switch Helicopters

Sat Oct 22, 2011 7:59 pm

Quoting columba (Reply 7):
I think a new heavy transport helicopter (CH 53 replacement) will be ordered instead maybe some EC 645 as well.

After all these actual upgrades for the CH53s?

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