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Big E Turns 50 Years Old!

Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:30 pm

Here in the Hampton roads area, there was a big story about the USS Enterprise CVN-65 turning 50, in Yesterdays or the Sundays paper. The fact that great ship has lasted 50 years, amazing. She was the first carrier to deploy F-14 Tomcat, and was used in films like Top Gun and The Hunt For Red October. I just wanted to pay tribute again to this great ship.




PS: There is a photo of the Big E and the SS United States, dry dock next to each other at Newport News ship yards. The Big E really made the United States, look like a small ship. After that, I stated to look at the Big E as the US version of SS France, due to the France being big also ( ok not as big as the Big E). I also liked the fact, that this was the second carrier to be name USS Enterprise, both USS Lexington are gone or decommissioned, and the first USS Enterprise carrier is gone, so it a treat to still have the second Big E still commissioned. I tried to get a tour of her, because she would moored next to my old ship the Truman, but her crew was always busy. I have a photo that took of her, the Kennedy right before it was decom, the Truman and Roosevelt, but I can not find it.
 
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RE: Big E Turns 50 Years Old!

Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:30 pm

I remember as a kid growing up I built a plastic model of the ship (I think it was around 1969). She was quite an amazing piece of machinery back then, and I would never have imagined that she would still be making waves (figuratively and literally) all these years later.

Happy Birthday, Big E!

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RE: Big E Turns 50 Years Old!

Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:33 pm

I got in a race with that old broad once, coming off the same fueler on a 378. Despite the armchair experts who tell you that the stories of her speed were just myths, we got up to 29 knots in a hurry, just to see the E get up to speed and pass us like we were going backwards.
It'll be a sad day to see her retire. If nobody takes her, I'd rather see an artificial reef than an end at the breakers.
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RE: Big E Turns 50 Years Old!

Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:22 pm

I understand also that USN has changed it's mind and plans to get one more deployment out of her before they send her to the breakers.

Quoting nomadd22 (Reply 2):
It'll be a sad day to see her retire. If nobody takes her, I'd rather see an artificial reef than an end at the breakers.

I think a retired nuke as a reef would be a hard sell.
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RE: Big E Turns 50 Years Old!

Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:29 pm

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 3):
I think a retired nuke as a reef would be a hard sell.

IMHO, I think it would be safer than a conventional propulsion ship. But to your point, it might be a PR headache given the sensitivities around anything associated with the word "nuclear".
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RE: Big E Turns 50 Years Old!

Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:11 pm

The Big E looks bigger than a Nimitz class carrier to me. I remember the time when the Enterprise was moored next to us, then it went under way and the IKE pulled into her spot days later, and the IKE look so little, well little for an US aircraft carrier.

Quoting nomadd22 (Reply 2):
Despite the armchair experts who tell you that the stories of her speed were just myths, we got up to 29 knots in a hurry, just to see the E get up to speed and pass us like we were going backwards.



Well a ship with eight reactor is going to move!
 
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RE: Big E Turns 50 Years Old!

Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:39 pm

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 5):
Well a ship with eight reactor is going to move!

Didn't they dummy her down to four during her SLEP a few decades back?
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RE: Big E Turns 50 Years Old!

Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:58 pm

Quoting redflyer (Reply 4):
IMHO, I think it would be safer than a conventional propulsion ship. But to your point, it might be a PR headache given the sensitivities around anything associated with the word "nuclear".

I bet she ends up as a hulk docked on the other side of the pier from Long Beach at Bremerton.
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RE: Big E Turns 50 Years Old!

Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:58 am

Quoting redflyer (Reply 6):

Didn't they dummy her down to four during her SLEP a few decades back?

I'm not sure, but I thought they just went to new design cores in the 69/70 refit that allowed them to routinely run on four reactors, or one per shaft, but still kept all 8 active.
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RE: Big E Turns 50 Years Old!

Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:44 pm

A buddy of mine in college was a nuke on her. He used to refer to her as the Mobile Chernobyl... IIRC, he said that they would rotate through the reactors to keep all 8 of them in working order. Granted, he was on her about 10-12 years ago.
 
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RE: Big E Turns 50 Years Old!

Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:27 pm

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 5):
The Big E looks bigger than a Nimitz class carrier to me.

Enterprise class:
Length: 1,101 feet 2 inches (335.64 meters).
Beam: 133 feet (39.9 meters); 252 feet (75.6 meters).
Displacement: 89,600 tons (81,283.8 metric tons) full load.

Nimitz class:
Length: 1,092 feet (332.85 meters).
Beam: 134 feet (40.84 meters); Flight Deck Width: 252 feet (76.8 meters).
Displacement: Approximately 97,000 tons (87,996.9 metric tons) full load.

Yes, Big E is 9' longer, 1' less in the beam and 7,000 ton less displacement.

(Data from http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=4200&tid=200&ct=4)
 
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RE: Big E Turns 50 Years Old!

Fri Dec 02, 2011 8:08 am

Quoting PSAJet17 (Reply 10):
Enterprise class:
Length: 1,101 feet 2 inches (335.64 meters).

To pick a nit: That's the flight deck length - Big E still has bridle catchers (which none of the Nimitz's do any more), so her overall length is 1123ft.
 
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RE: Big E Turns 50 Years Old!

Sat Dec 03, 2011 5:06 pm

A nieghboor of mine growing up was on board when they had the accident back in 1969m scary stuff.

I've always wanted to see her unfortanetly when I was in the Navy she was undergoing refuel in Norfolk. Don't feel soory for me though, I was "stuck" in San Diego
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RE: Big E Turns 50 Years Old!

Sat Dec 03, 2011 5:48 pm

Surely she has to be a candidate for a floating museum? Big E is a genuine piece of military history, and would make a great display piece.
 
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RE: Big E Turns 50 Years Old!

Sat Dec 03, 2011 6:02 pm

Quoting FlyingCello (Reply 13):
Surely she has to be a candidate for a floating museum?

I would hope so but the US Navy didn't feel that way about the original "Big E" and sent her off to the breakers in the 1950's so I doubt they will feel the same about her.

I do hope they keep the original Enterprise portholes that where salvaged and installed in CVN-65 when she was built
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RE: Big E Turns 50 Years Old!

Sun Dec 04, 2011 5:48 pm

Quoting FlyingCello (Reply 13):
Surely she has to be a candidate for a floating museum? Big E is a genuine piece of military history, and would make a great display piece.



It's been mentioned that once the reactors and associated machinery is removed there won't be much left two decks below the hangar deck.

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RE: Big E Turns 50 Years Old!

Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:26 pm

Quoting PSAJet17 (Reply 10):
Yes, Big E is 9' longer, 1' less in the beam and 7,000 ton less displacement.

Should be good for an extra few knots of speed then!
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RE: Big E Turns 50 Years Old!

Sun Dec 18, 2011 6:57 pm

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 15):
It's been mentioned that once the reactors and associated machinery is removed there won't be much left two decks below the hangar deck.

Seems to me that of the few ships I've been on (USS Olympia, USS Becuna, USS New Jersey, and USS Intrepid), it isn't like the entire ship is open anyway. Like I know the first time I visited the USS New Jersey, I was very disappointed with how little of the ship is actually open for tours. Also, lets say that some museum or really rich person convinces the Navy to turn her into a museum. Those spaces below decks can be recreated with the use of models.

I would like to see her turned into a museum to honor those who served on her, the Cold War, the War on Terror...and even if stand ins and stock footage were used at some points...the movies she was mentioned in. Star Trek 4: The Voyage Home (yeah, I know it wasn't actually CVN-65 used, it was one of the diesels), The Hunt for Red October and Top Gun come to mind.

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RE: Big E Turns 50 Years Old!

Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:11 pm

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 17):
Seems to me that of the few ships I've been on (USS Olympia, USS Becuna, USS New Jersey, and USS Intrepid), it isn't like the entire ship is open anyway. Like I know the first time I visited the USS New Jersey, I was very disappointed with how little of the ship is actually open for tours. Also, lets say that some museum or really rich person convinces the Navy to turn her into a museum. Those spaces below decks can be recreated with the use of models.


Probably have to cut the ship apart to get the nuke equipment out. Nothing left to put in a museum.

Edit:

Check out this pix of the Big E's nuclear contemporary, the Long Beach. It's waiting it's turn for scrapping at Bremerton. Superstructure has been completely removed in preparation.

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RE: Big E Turns 50 Years Old!

Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:18 pm

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 5):
Well a ship with eight reactor is going to move!

You have to remember that when built, the eight reactors were relatively "low power" modified submarine reactors (that's all that was available). Their cores have been redesigned (at least twice) for more power and service life, but they are still much smaller (and less powerful) than Nimitz class reactors.

Quoting nomadd22 (Reply 2):
we got up to 29 knots in a hurry,

Big-E's SINS (ships inertial navigation system) data was regularly turned off so the crew could not see what speed we were actually doing. Spun up one of our bird's INS' just to see but the numbers displayed remain classified. Suffice it to say that Big-E would regularly show up as an "airborne target" on our Hawkeye displays.   

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 12):
I've always wanted to see her unfortanetly when I was in the Navy she was undergoing refuel in Norfolk. Don't feel soory for me though, I was "stuck" in San Diego

Hey buddy, I would never feel sorry for you; however, I too was "stuck" in San Diego (still am...thankfully) but I did have the honor of serving aboard USS ENTERPRISE (CVN-65) for three years (two deployments and 282 traps --that I'm allowed to count).   

Quoting LMP737 (Reply 15):
It's been mentioned that once the reactors and associated machinery is removed there won't be much left two decks below the hangar deck.

Depends upon how much horizontal access you desire. Removing the reactor cores requires "drilling" vertical access holes through the flight/hanger decks. If someone wishes to "save" the ship as a museum, those holes would have to be filled-in again (doubt USN would spend the $$$ to do that on an "obsolete" ship).

Quoting zanl188 (Reply 18):
Check out this pix of the Big E's nuclear contemporary, the Long Beach. It's waiting it's turn for scrapping at Bremerton.

Dang, I'm getting old. That's two ships from my limited USN service being retired. I was lucky enough to spend 5 weeks aboard CGN-9 for my 3rd class Midshipman "cruise." I guess the "Hydrogenator" in Engine Room-1 is shutdown for good now.   
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RE: Big E Turns 50 Years Old!

Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:37 am

Chop her up, save some of the steel to be used in the Ford Class CVN-80 USS Enterprise.
 
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RE: Big E Turns 50 Years Old!

Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:19 pm

Quoting AAR90 (Reply 19):
Hey buddy, I would never feel sorry for you; however, I too was "stuck" in San Diego (still am...thankfully) but I did have the honor of serving aboard USS ENTERPRISE (CVN-65) for three years (two deployments and 282 traps --that I'm allowed to count).


I'm stuck in Chicago now, although that might change with things the way they are.

 
Quoting AAR90 (Reply 19):
Dang, I'm getting old. That's two ships from my limited USN service being retired.


Every NAS or NTC I was ever stationed at has either been closed or realigned.

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