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Iran Claims To Have Shot Down US Drone ( RQ10 )

Sun Dec 04, 2011 4:51 pm

Iran claims to have shot down US drone ( RQ10 )

Iran's armed forces have shot down an unmanned US spy plane that violated its eastern borders, military sources say.

Iranian media reports said the drone - identified as a type RQ10 - suffered minimal damage and was now in the hands of the armed forces.

The military response to the airspace violation "will not be limited to Iran's borders any more", one unnamed source told Iran's al-Alam TV.


Read more here in English:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16024605

In Norwegian:

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/artikkel.php?artid=10032031
 
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RE: Iran Claims To Have Shot Down US Drone ( RQ10 )

Sun Dec 04, 2011 4:53 pm

Damn, you beat me to it.

So anyone any idea what this new "RQ10" is then? :P
 
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RE: Iran Claims To Have Shot Down US Drone ( RQ10 )

Sun Dec 04, 2011 4:59 pm

Behold, the "Parrot" conquers the skies!

http://homefront.wikia.com/wiki/RQ-10_Parrot
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Sun Dec 04, 2011 5:11 pm

@bthebest

You can buy a RQ10 for a few hundred pound and it has 2 cameras but of corse this is a civilian version called the parrot ar drone http://ardrone.parrot.com/parrot-ar-drone/uk/ which is basicly the same as the real thing but is more of a toy than a hardcore piece of survailence kit =)
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RE: Iran Claims To Have Shot Down US Drone ( RQ10 )

Sun Dec 04, 2011 5:16 pm

Quoting B17GUNNER24 (Reply 3):
more of a toy than a hardcore piece of survailence kit

And I doubt the USAF uses it or it would survive being 'shot down' with minimal damage.
 
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RE: Iran Claims To Have Shot Down US Drone ( RQ10 )

Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:14 pm

I call BS. They shot it down and it had "minimal damage"? How'd they pull that off? I'm thinking they managed to get some friends to get some wreckage of a drone (or blew one themselves) from somewhere and are playing this off, in the hopes of creating a distraction. Now that talk of an attack on Iran is heating up more and more, they must be getting nervous.
 
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RE: Iran Claims To Have Shot Down US Drone ( RQ10 )

Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:40 pm

Reuters says it was an RQ-170. Much more likely.
 
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Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:54 pm

German media speak about a RQ-170 and the US confirm the loss of a drone.
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Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:31 pm

Originally reported as RQ10, now as an RQ-170 Sentinel.

Apparently ISAF confirmed it had lost communication/control of the drone last week over Afghanistan. Some reports say that Iranian forces may have hacked the UAV.
 
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RE: Iran Claims To Have Shot Down US Drone ( RQ10 )

Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:19 am

Quoting bthebest (Reply 8):
Originally reported as RQ10, now as an RQ-170 Sentinel.

If true. Not good at all. The RQ-170 is a Dark Recon Drone. High altitude if I'm not mistaken.

Operator "Lost Control?" Uplink?, airframe/engine failure? If it was jammed the Russians were involved.

Only going to get tougher to fly these Drones without jamming.   
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Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:36 pm

I wonder why the Iranians felt the need to publicise this. I understand the quest for propaganda....but personally I think that if I happened to down a drone from an adversary I would keep it quiet, no need to let them know you can down their drones.........
 
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Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:37 pm

You assume that the USA did not know it was shot down.
 
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Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:54 am

Quoting glideslope (Reply 9):
If true. Not good at all. The RQ-170 is a Dark Recon Drone. High altitude if I'm not mistaken.

Operator "Lost Control?" Uplink?, airframe/engine failure? If it was jammed the Russians were involved.

Only going to get tougher to fly these Drones without jamming.   

Medium altitude (wing aspect ratio not optimal for high altitude: think WB-57, U-2, RQ-4)

I'd be surprised if Russia was involved. Hizbulla (Iran's proxy in Lebanon) has been making news lately about using a similar technique with an Israeli drone, recovering one recently. If these storeis are true, there are also rumors that the drone was intentinally landed in Lebanon as a trojan horse, recovered by Hizbulla, brought back to base, and responsible or that huge arms depot explosion a few weeks back when it finally went "pop". Iran could maybe have been using a similar technique, or maybe they had nothing to do with the downing at all.

USAF had an RQ-9 that went out of contact and headed towards Iran a few years ago, but an F-15E shot it down. Earlier than that an MQ-1 in Iraq was headed uncontrolled towards the Iranian border but an F-16 downed it too.
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Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:03 am

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 12):
USAF had an RQ-9 that went out of contact and headed towards Iran a few years ago, but an F-15E shot it down. Earlier than that an MQ-1 in Iraq was headed uncontrolled towards the Iranian border but an F-16 downed it too.

I thought these drones, especially the higher-tech ones, had self-destruct mechanisms on them? It would be dumb to put classified equipment in an unmanned vehicle and then send it over hostile territory with no way of ensuring some of the sensitive gear or even the majority of the airframe would be neutralized if contact is lost.
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Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:58 am

Quoting redflyer (Reply 13):
I thought these drones, especially the higher-tech ones, had self-destruct mechanisms on them?

Here's an interesting article. Claims operators can basically wipe all software and data remotely.
http://www.popsci.com/military-aviat...go-wild-air-force-shoots-them-down
Now, if contact is lost, how would you use self destruct? Seems dangerous to ground crews, though QF-4s do carry old AIM-9 warheads for this purpose.
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Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:44 am

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 14):
Now, if contact is lost, how would you use self destruct? Seems dangerous to ground crews, though QF-4s do carry old AIM-9 warheads for this purpose.

And the QF-16 was just tested with the same thing at Eglin AF.
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Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:54 pm

Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 16):
And the QF-16 was just tested with the same thing at Eglin AF.

I know... I started the topic on here about it!

I wasn't counting it though since none are actually flying yet, just as there are no QF-86/100/102/106s flying now.
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RE: Iran Claims To Have Shot Down US Drone ( RQ10 )

Tue Dec 06, 2011 3:10 pm

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 14):
Now, if contact is lost, how would you use self destruct?

My first guess would be the drone could have a certain amount of autonomy built-in. If it loses contact with its operator it could go into a "parking" mode (flying a predetermined pattern) waiting for contact to be reestablished. After a period of time (just a few minutes) it could autonomously wipe any recorded data and fry any sensitive electronics, and then self-destruct. If it loses contact with its operator AND becomes unstable in flight, or maintains contact but just becomes unstable and can't regain wings-level (indicative of taking hostile fire) then that scenario could also trigger self-destruct.

Having a self-destruct mechanism doesn't necessarily make it more dangerous for ground crews. As you pointed out, these drones can already carry armament, some of which have far more destructive power than would be needed to obliterate the drone.
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Tue Dec 06, 2011 3:46 pm

Quoting redflyer (Reply 18):
Having a self-destruct mechanism doesn't necessarily make it more dangerous for ground crews. As you pointed out, these drones can already carry armament, some of which have far more destructive power than would be needed to obliterate the drone.

That is very true, however all armament functions are "man-in-the-loop", whereas the self-destruct would be (basically) autonomous use of explosives. It may be perfectly reliable, it just makes me uneasy from a safety standpoint. AFAIK no US drone has a self-destruct function as of now.

The other functions are already used in drones (flying a set pattern) and we've even seen a loss due to a bad "fly home" command after lost contact: A drone in Congo supporting a UN mission tried to fly home, however the home base wasn't reset from the factory default, so it tried to make it back to Ireland IIRC.
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Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:57 pm

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 19):
That is very true, however all armament functions are "man-in-the-loop", whereas the self-destruct would be (basically) autonomous use of explosives.

There could be ways around that issue, such as having the self-destruct capability disarmed when the drone is below a certain altitude. That would indicate the craft is near to landing. It could be an automatic feature or one that is part of the pre-landing checklist procedures at the command center.

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 19):
AFAIK no US drone has a self-destruct function as of now.

That being the case, all of this discussion we are having is moot (but nonetheless fun to speculate). I'm sure the geniuses who design, build, and deploy these machines already gave consideration to this issue and, for whatever reason, decided the cons outweigh the pros. Hopefully they considered the fact that these machines would come down in hostile territory on occasion, and have planned for that eventuality.

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 19):
A drone in Congo supporting a UN mission tried to fly home, however the home base wasn't reset from the factory default, so it tried to make it back to Ireland IIRC.

That is rich.
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Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:36 am

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RE: Iran Claims To Have Shot Down US Drone ( RQ10 )

Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:13 am

I double we are hearing what really happened from either the Iranians or the US. In fact the Iranians have claimed to have shot down three other drones and not a single piece of wreakage has ever been shown on their TV. The Soviets made the most of their shootdown of Gary Powers and publicaly displayed the wreckage, so why not now.

But I will say that if this is because a weaknees in the datalink system for fllight controls it does make a serious arguement for maintaining a manned survelience aircraft.

I double we will see SR-71's being reclaimed from museums anytime soon though.
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Wed Dec 07, 2011 11:40 pm

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 16):
I know... I started the topic on here about it!

Doh! I remember the thread but forgot who started it.. sorry!  
Quoting L-188 (Reply 21):
I double we will see SR-71's being reclaimed from museums anytime soon though.

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RE: Iran Claims To Have Shot Down US Drone ( RQ10 )

Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:20 pm

Here you go... the mad mullahs displaying the spoils... Iranian TV releases footage of the downed drone

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16098562
 
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Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:00 pm

Impressive.
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Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:44 pm

I guess that is a very impressive mock-up which they built in the mean time while showing pictures of the Dassault Neuron. Is it me or does that look like unpainted composite?

If this is supposed to be a high altitude UAV, I would suspect a grey colour...
 
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Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:46 pm

Given the shape it appears to be in, there is no way this was either shot down or landed "out of control". There doesn't seem to be a scratch on it. Either Iran (with possible help from the Russians or China) hacked into the controls and landed it themselves, or we did just deliver a Trojan Drone into their hands.
 
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Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:51 pm

Haha. No way this thing is the real deal:

http://i1.nyt.com/images/2011/12/09/...dleeast/09iran/09iran-hpMedium.jpg

I think they consulted the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade people on that one!
 
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Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:56 pm

Quoting F27Friendship (Reply 25):

I guess that is a very impressive mock-up which they built in the mean time while showing pictures of the Dassault Neuron. Is it me or does that look like unpainted composite?

For a mockup they do show a lot of close-ups to the different panels and parts of the plane in some pictures. At this point, I'm starting to think its the real deal.

And the tarp underneath is probably to conceal all the damage the plane might have received.
 
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Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:07 pm

Makes you wonder why "they" (Iran w/ Russian and Chinese help) aren't bringing down the rest of other UAV's currently flying in their airspace?   
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RE: Iran Claims To Have Shot Down US Drone ( RQ10 )

Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:18 pm

Quoting Acheron (Reply 28):
At this point, I'm starting to think its the real deal.

US officials are now confirming that this is true.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...s-downed-us-drone/?test=latestnews


I still can't fathom how Iranians managed to get it intact. It can't be a crash. If it was just a lost signal issue, the drone should have automatically (at least tried) returned to home base.

   


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Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:46 pm

Quoting WingsFan (Reply 30):
still can't fathom how Iranians managed to get it intact. It can't a crash. If it was just lost signal issue, the drone should have automatically (at least tried) returned to home base.

IMO, it was taken over via uplink, and most likely was carrying some type of unknown Bug that allowed it to be commandeered. I don't think the images are a Mock Up. It's paint fits the mission. Most likely grey on the bottom.

If it was brought down controlled it was the Russians. The Chinese are not involved. Russia and Iran are going to team up to counter China, and China knows it. If it were landed in Pakistan, I would say China. But they can't do it.

This was bound to happen. That is why we still have manned recon. It's just much more expensive, and too fast to shoot.

Time to move to the next level.   
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Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:06 pm

so, how long until iran sells it to china?
 
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Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:47 pm

Quoting WingsFan (Reply 30):

I still can't fathom how Iranians managed to get it intact. It can't be a crash. If it was just a lost signal issue, the drone should have automatically (at least tried) returned to home base.

That drone didn't crash, no way.

Quoting glideslope (Reply 31):

IMO, it was taken over via uplink, and most likely was carrying some type of unknown Bug that allowed it to be commandeered. I don't think the images are a Mock Up. It's paint fits the mission. Most likely grey on the bottom.

If it was brought down controlled it was the Russians. The Chinese are not involved. Russia and Iran are going to team up to counter China, and China knows it. If it were landed in Pakistan, I would say China. But they can't do it.

There really aren't that many ways that they could have brought the plane down in that condition. Shooting it down is the least likely possibility. A more likely scenario is that the virus that was infecting US Military drones last month wasn't just an accident. And, someone had to be helping the Iranians take control of the drone to make it land in a controlled fashion.

There's a good chance we got lazy and didn't think anyone could hack our drones. Just like the Germans didn't think their Enigma code could be deciphered in WW2.
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Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:27 pm

What's scary is that, if they can actually hack the reconnaissance versions, what's to prevent them from hacking the armed versions and turning them against us. Or perhaps even worse, using them to fly over another country to attack their installations, and have us take the blame? This allows for a whole new level of mayhem.
 
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Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:38 pm

Quoting F27Friendship (Reply 25):
Is it me or does that look like unpainted composite?

Doesn't even look like composite. It's too shiny. I watched the video on CNN and the camera lights were shimmering off the thing. Flying out in sunlight or even moonlight would make that thing visibly glint, even at the altitude it normally flies at.

Quoting wannabe (Reply 26):
Given the shape it appears to be in, there is no way this was either shot down or landed "out of control".

  

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 33):
That drone didn't crash, no way.

  

CNN quoted someone saying if it was in a flat spin it would remain relatively intact. Well, that is true in the sense that you could tell it was an aircraft and know what part was what, but it would still be pretty banged up.

I'm calling B.S. on this. At least as it's reported. To me, what appears in the video is either a propaganda mock-up or, if it is the real McCoy, then it was landed intact. Hopefully, it's the former but if it's the latter then someone's head at DoD/CIA should roll, and then we can safely assume that Russia and/or China just got a technological coup and Iran got a handsome pay-off.
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Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:39 pm

Quoting wannabe (Reply 34):
What's scary is that, if they can actually hack the reconnaissance versions, what's to prevent them from hacking the armed versions and turning them against us.

Revert to reply #29!  
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Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:09 am

Quoting mffoda (Reply 29):
Makes you wonder why "they" (Iran w/ Russian and Chinese help) aren't bringing down the rest of other UAV's currently flying in their airspace?

Why would they tip their hand?

I think the real problem here is that IF it was hijacked that means that secure comms were penetrated.
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Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:18 am

I'm still doubtful this is an RQ-170.

*the size is too small. RQ-170 is reported to have a 26m wingspan. This thing in Iran has one 1/3 that size
*why hide the underside? Who cares if it is scuffed. Methinks the Iranians couldn't fabricate fake landing gear.
*the panel lines cited above, when inspected, look exceptionally crude. I have interns that could cut better with a muffler cutter.
*all "details" on the aircraft are publicly viewable on a multitude of photos, including the outboard speedbrakes.

My hypothesis: New fun body segment of bondo and styrofoam, hooked to a couple of IL-76 outboard wing segments.
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RE: Iran Claims To Have Shot Down US Drone ( RQ10

Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:39 am

LMAO! It's so funny reading the American deniers posts. Come on boys, our military got PWND, just like we PWND the Iranian centrifuges with the Subnext virus, thus blowing up the nuclear test lab. You win some, you lose some. Iran won this one, and the US needs to eat crow.

I'm sorry but if Mexico was flying drones over US airspace regularly, and/or they killed 24 American soldiers on US soil as the US did to Pakistan last week, the US would be mobilizing for war. Both the US's actions in Iran and Pakistan are tantamount to declarations of war. Drones are a great tool, but they do start to blur the line on acceptable uses of force.

Flying aircraft unauthorized over another country's airspace is reasonable provocation of war. The US would never fly their drones 150 miles into Chinese airspace, now would they? Why not?



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Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:44 am

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 37):
Why would they tip their hand?

I think the real problem here is that IF it was hijacked that means that secure comms were penetrated.

Maybe I should have used a smile face?? Iran is full of shit! Plain and simple... They don't have the capability to keep their own A/C in the air reliably... Never mind take control of sophisticated UAV from the west.

The answer is almost always as simple as it appears. There was a equipment / software glitch that caused the lose. Any other Conspiracy theory is sad until proved otherwise... Just saying  

MoltenRock, your Hatred for all things USA is clearly noted. If you ever have anything nice to say? It might improve the dialog on this site...  yes 

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Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:08 am

Quoting MoltenRock (Reply 39):
Flying aircraft unauthorized over another country's airspace is reasonable provocation of war. The US would never fly their drones 150 miles into Chinese airspace, now would they? Why not?

Sure we have. We also had Taiwan fly U-2s over mainland china.

The inlet screen for the engine (reported to be the TF-34 of the S-3/A-10- and still too small) puzzles me. From internet photos the landing gear doors are clearly straight lined rectangles- no effort was made to do the diamond/chevron/serrated edges for stealth. So why the intake screen when you'd still have the RCS of a barn door?
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Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:22 am

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 33):
There's a good chance we got lazy and didn't think anyone could hack our drones. Just like the Germans didn't think their Enigma code could be deciphered in WW2.

Not just lazy, but arrogant. IMO, probing has been going on for at least a year. Must be people on the inside.

The Enigma Deciphering is a very good analogy.
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RE: Iran Claims To Have Shot Down US Drone ( RQ10 )

Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:55 am

This is what I can see happened. The drone was inside Iran doing recon. It was suddenly given an acceptable “land” command. It did not have time to react and was placed in “safe” mode first. It did not lose it’s tether or get jammed as suggested by so many other people because the automatic programming looks for this condition and then would immediately instruct the drone to go dark and return home and land - period. The drone doesn’t need any signal to do this stuff.

Somebody designed some cool software to:

1) Detect current security protocols in use with this specific drone.
2) Send a new set of instructions that mimicked the handler that did not appear to be exogenous.
3) Send an immediate “land” command.
4) Instruct it to go “dark”

If the drone was still “hot” when it landed (sending a signal) we could have bombed it in a matter of minutes and then “disavowed any knowledge”.

When those drones are jammed they know exactly what to do. I suspect that many drones have been jammed by Iran but they simply go dark and go home. This was one that didn’t get away.
 
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RE: Iran Claims To Have Shot Down US Drone ( RQ10 )

Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:13 pm

Quoting tu204 (Reply 24):
I do hope that they will share the spoils, so to say.

And that's the problem. Iran is surely shopping this thing around and will allow Russia and China access - in return for billions in military hardware, most likely.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...s-downed-us-drone/?test=latestnews

Quote:
With early knowledge that the aircraft had likely remained intact, the senior U.S. official also told Fox News that President Obama was presented with three separate options for retrieving or destroying the drone. The president ultimately decided not to proceed with any of the plans because it could have been seen as an act of war, the official told Fox News.

Among the options the U.S. considered were sending in a special-ops team to retrieve the drone; sending in a team to blow up the aircraft; and launching an airstrike to destroy it.

That drone should have been targeted for destruction the moment contact was lost. It is inexcusable that it was allowed to remain intact.
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RE: Iran Claims To Have Shot Down US Drone ( RQ10 )

Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:17 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 44):
And that's the problem. Iran is surely shopping this thing around and will allow Russia and China access - in return for billions in military hardware, most likely.

In my opinion, Iran does not have the technology to do what it did. I am sure it would have been the other way around actually.
More like: we ask Iran if we can send in a couple "civilians" with some technology, we bring the drone down, study it and let Iran brag about bringing it down for their propaganda machine.
Ofcourse if Iran brought it down themselves they could go on a shopping spree, but I think most of us on this forum realise than Iran has neither the technology nor the expertise to pull something like this off.
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RE: Iran Claims To Have Shot Down US Drone ( RQ10 )

Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:30 pm

Quoting tu204 (Reply 45):
In my opinion, Iran does not have the technology to do what it did. I am sure it would have been the other way around actually.
More like: we ask Iran if we can send in a couple "civilians" with some technology, we bring the drone down, study it and let Iran brag about bringing it down for their propaganda machine.
Ofcourse if Iran brought it down themselves they could go on a shopping spree, but I think most of us on this forum realise than Iran has neither the technology nor the expertise to pull something like this off.

Agree completely. Your largest gain will be in the engine/propulsion arena. I doubt there is much in the drone you don't have on a Thumbdrive.

But little Turbofans you could gain from reversing. You're large Turbofans are, well, let's just say they are not an export item.

I'll bet the Heavily Modified GE TF-34 is already in the Motherland. This is the only item that concerns me.   
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RE: Iran Claims To Have Shot Down US Drone ( RQ10 )

Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:48 pm

Good post, but I was curious:

Quoting dvautier (Reply 43):
This is what I can see happened. The drone was inside Iran doing recon.

We all agree on that point, or they wouldn't have the drone  
Quoting dvautier (Reply 43):
It was suddenly given an acceptable “land” command.

Who would have sent that command? Would we ever do that to our own drone over a country we were performing covert surveillance on?

Quoting dvautier (Reply 43):
It did not have time to react and was placed in “safe” mode first.

I'm confused why the software would receive a land command then be parked in safe mode almost immediately where we couldn't communicate with the drone?

I'll pose the question to a friend of mine that works on more tactical drones and see what he says, but I'm not sure he'll even share a fraction of what he thought happened.
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RE: Iran Claims To Have Shot Down US Drone ( RQ10 )

Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:21 am

I find it hard to believe that the Iranians have a capability that our good neighbours to the West don't. All said and done, they're (the Pakis) pretty smart, so either they aren't somehow "permitted" to jam the American drones operating within their country, or like stated above, it's quid pro quo help from abroad that's helped the Iraninans bring it down in pretty much one piece.
 
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RE: Iran Claims To Have Shot Down US Drone ( RQ10 )

Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:07 pm

In my opinion the drone provably had a communication hardware failure. This probably caused kept its current heading or went into a holding pattern and eventually ran out of fuel. I doubt the only thing technology that will be really usable is the smaller jet engines but then again you can buy hobby engines like jet cats with out any export control. I seriously doubt Iran had the ability to even track it let alone hack into it.

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