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Japanese Aircraft In Armee De Air Service

Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:36 am

Hi guys.

Been trying to do a bit of Internet research but striking out.

I am trying to find some photos of Japanese aircraft that would have been acquired by the french in indochina during and immediately after WWII. I have see one photo of a Raiden in French markings and drawings of jakes, Heinz and oscars.

I am sure there has to be more information about the types that where in French service. My web searched have been less than productive.......anybody have a good link?
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RE: Japanese Aircraft In Armee De Air Service

Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:07 am

Vietnam: The War in the Air by René J Francillon has the following:

Armee de l'Air:

In Dec 45, pending arrival of their Spitfire Mk.IXs, pilots and ground crews of GC I/7 'Provence', assisted by Japanese POWs, made valiant efforts to start operations with 12 of the 17 Nakajima Ki-43-II and Ki-43-III fighters which the British had turned over to the French. The worn-out Japanese aircraft, for which spares were virtually unavailable, proved highly temperamental and the type was only used for a few familiarization flights.
A Ki-43-III coded 'A' was ground-looped on 2 Jan 46 and the last 'Oscar' survived only until March 46.

Aéronavale:

Escadrille 8S, organized in December 1945 at Cat Lai near Saigon, had initially operated ex-Japanese Aichi E13A1 single-engined floatplanes and one, then two, Loire 130s. In addition, unit personnel attempted to put back into service a Nakajima A6M-2N float fighter, but this aircraft crashed almost immediately after being overhauled. As the Aichi floatplanes had only a slightly longer career in French service, 8S was re-equipped during the summer of 1947 with ex-British Supermarine Sea Otters.
The aircraft appendix speaks of eight E13A1a versions.

There are no photographs, only a colour profile of Ki-43-III 'A', and there's no word of a J2M.

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RE: Japanese Aircraft In Armee De Air Service

Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:25 pm

Quoting L-188 (Thread starter):
I am trying to find some photos of Japanese aircraft that would have been acquired by the french in indochina during and immediately after WWII. I have see one photo of a Raiden in French markings and drawings of jakes, Heinz and oscars.

You don't ask for much do you!  

I promise no matter how weird this web address is, there's some drawings that you might be interested in. They aren't photos and I doubt they are real, but they came from Avions Magazine and will show how they may have been marked. I'll see if I can find more.

http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww2/f/768/21/0

Quoting L-188 (Thread starter):
I am sure there has to be more information about the types that where in French service.

I wouldn't be so sure. Try finding photos of Luftwaffe captured US/UK aircraft. There aren't that many of them. The Luftwaffe had a number of captured Allied aircraft but very few photos of them.
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RE: Japanese Aircraft In Armee De Air Service

Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:39 am

Excellent link there......
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RE: Japanese Aircraft In Armee De Air Service

Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:23 pm

Quoting L-188 (Thread starter):
I am trying to find some photos of Japanese aircraft that would have been acquired by the french in indochina during and immediately after WWII. I have see one photo of a Raiden in French markings and drawings of jakes, Heinz and oscars.

No descriptions but a number of grainy photos of captured Japanese aircraft in French colors:

http://www.ww2shots.com/gallery/v/We...ake-8S-ww2shots-air+force.jpg.html

Keep hitting the "next" button to the top-right of the photo and you'll see a number of them, seems like the French ended up with a number of different types when the Japanese surrendered.

Some more:
http://www.frenchwings.net/indochina/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=1

As an aside, the French in Indochina also briefly operated German aircraft produced in France during the occupation. Mainly the Amiot AAC1 Toucan (Junkers Ju-52) and the Morane-Saulnier Criquet (Fieseler Fi-156 Storch). The Storch was used for quite some time as an observation platform.

Ju-52 in French colors:
http://www.frenchwings.net/indochina/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=2

You don't see a photo like this everyday:



Criquet:
http://www.frenchwings.net/indochina/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=12

Enjoy. I learned something new this week.

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RE: Japanese Aircraft In Armee De Air Service

Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:28 pm

Quoting canoecarrier (Reply 4):
No descriptions but a number of grainy photos of captured Japanese aircraft in French colors:

http://www.ww2shots.com/gallery/v/We...ake-8S-ww2shots-air+force.jpg.html

Keep hitting the "next" button to the top-right of the photo and you'll see a number of them, seems like the French ended up with a number of different types when the Japanese surrendered.

Great stuff! Thanks.
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RE: Japanese Aircraft In Armee De Air Service

Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:47 am

Quoting ptrjong (Reply 5):
Great stuff! Thanks.

No problem, glad you enjoyed them I know I did. That site you quoted from my post has some other unique photos like:

Japanese aircraft operated by the Indonesian Air Force post war
Several photos of B-17s and Brewster Buffaloes with Japanese markings
Some captured P-40 Warhawks, and
At least 1 FW-190 and ME-210 operated by the Japanese.

Captured by the Allies:
http://www.ww2shots.com/gallery/v/We...e+Aircraft+Captured+by+the+Allies/

Captured by Japan:
http://www.ww2shots.com/gallery/v/We...ir+Force/Japan/Captured+Aircrafts/

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RE: Japanese Aircraft In Armee De Air Service

Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:48 pm

You might also be interested in this list as well:
Japanese Aircraft in Foreign Service
http://www.j-aircraft.com/research/jinforeign.htm
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RE: Japanese Aircraft In Armee De Air Service

Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:27 am

Excellent links sir!

I got your email too.

My understanding is that the French employed the Oscars for a short time after the war because they had no other aircraft available. then the French obtained spitfires from a vacating RAF unit.

One interesting fact found out is the French could not send their American supplied lend lease aircraft to indochina because of a prohibition on using us supplied weapons to retain pre-war possessions. So that is why aircraft they had such as the P-47 which would have been excellent where not sent there. But aircraft they built while occupied by Germany, such as the Me.108 and the Fi.156 could and where sent.

After the us material restriction was lifted P-63's where sent and later F8F, A-26's where suppliedby the US.

Anyway I am really liking the idea of a Oscar and Stoch sharing a hard stand in Nam
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RE: Japanese Aircraft In Armee De Air Service

Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:51 am

Quoting L-188 (Reply 8):
My understanding is that the French employed the Oscars for a short time after the war because they had no other aircraft available.

I wonder if you read my post...  
Quoting L-188 (Reply 8):
then the French obtained spitfires from a vacating RAF unit.

The Spitfires were sent from France.

According to the book there was no actual prohibition to use US supplied aircraft - I guess such clauses weren't invented yet - but the French feared an embargo on spares.
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