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IAF And The Osprey

Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:39 pm

Interesting article from Flight - the Indian Air Force is looking at the V22.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...india-sizes-up-v-22-osprey-367058/

While I am all for much closer military ties with the US, we must be keep our interests and unique environment and capabilities in mind. Not all the systems being offered to India necessarily make sense. Sometimes, there are more optimal alternatives out there. This one, though, I am all for.
 
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RE: IAF And The Osprey

Wed Jan 18, 2012 1:47 pm

Seems like India is intent on being "Boeing South Asia".

"While AEW&C [airborne early warning and control] has been identified as a future mission well suited to the Osprey's performance profile and specifications, it is not a mission performed by current customers and it would be premature to speculate on what specific equipment would be utilised for that mission."

Business speak for "If you got the money we can design and build it for you".

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RE: IAF And The Osprey

Wed Jan 18, 2012 2:15 pm

So we have the Herc, the C17, the P8, the Apache, the F35, the Osprey... and add to that this - a missile shield!

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...le-shield/articleshow/11536963.cms
 
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RE: IAF And The Osprey

Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:39 am

India could get Technological superior aircraft from the USA thanks to the friendly relations these days.But India wont be stupid enough to rely on the US alone for its Military needs considering sanctions can stall things.The decision should be considering INDIAs security Interests alone & nothing else.
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RE: IAF And The Osprey

Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:33 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 3):
rely on the US alone for its Military needs considering sanctions can stall things.

As long as India doesn't let the Chinese peek at the purchased military hardware or sell nuclear or missile know-how to the North Korean, or shelter groups that are waging war against the US, India will not see any sanctions from the US.  


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RE: IAF And The Osprey

Sat Jan 21, 2012 3:46 pm

Quoting india1 (Reply 2):
So we have the Herc, the C17, the P8, the Apache, the F35, the Osprey... and add to that this - a missile shield!

And here's a piece for the Lexington Institute... Possibly adding the Stryker and Littoral Combat Ship to list.

India has acquired or is in the process of buying a range of advanced U.S. systems including C-17 and C-130 transports and P-8 maritime patrol aircraft. In addition, the U.S. is exploring possible sales of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, the Stryker wheeled combat vehicle and the Littoral Combat Ship to India."   
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RE: IAF And The Osprey

Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:21 am

Let me add the Chinook to the above potential list...
 
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RE: IAF And The Osprey

Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:33 pm

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 4):

As long as India doesn't let the Chinese peek at the purchased military hardware or sell nuclear or missile know-how to the North Korean, or shelter groups that are waging war against the US, India will not see any sanctions from the US.

India does the same but History tells a different story  

BTW Who won the MMRCA contract......
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RE: IAF And The Osprey

Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:59 pm

India has less love for China than does the US, that I am sure. But the V-22 is just cost prohibitive. If you can get over it's exorbitant initial price, (which is more than an F-15 Strike Eagle,) what really kills the premise of buying even a small fleet of Ospreys are its operating expenses that make traditional rotary winged aircraft look downright cheap.

Because the IDF gets its budget from the US taxpayer, they might be willing to buy into a small fleet, maybe one or two squadrons worth, but even the Indian army, I just don't see them buying into something that costs so much to operate (although they can probably afford to.)
 
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RE: IAF And The Osprey

Sun Jan 22, 2012 4:58 pm

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 8):
Ospreys are its operating expenses that make traditional rotary winged aircraft look downright cheap.

When you need to operate high in the Himalayas, there is not much of an option.

Maybe they can reduce the price by having final assembly in India. If they just need a high altitude lift, they may also keep cost down by not getting all the "nice-to-have" tech toys that comes with the U.S. birds.

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RE: IAF And The Osprey

Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:13 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 7):
BTW Who won the MMRCA contract......

The Eurofighter supposedly, but ite final signing has not yet been announced, and as you know, in India anything can happen.
 
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RE: IAF And The Osprey

Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:52 pm

Quoting india1 (Reply 2):
So we have the Herc, the C17, the P8, the Apache, the F35, the Osprey... and add to that this - a missile shield!

It makes so much sense! We spend dozens of billions trying to get a committee to spec (never mind build) the mother of all super-weapons (again and again and again!) , and you cherry pick the stuff that works.   
 
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RE: IAF And The Osprey

Tue Jan 24, 2012 3:34 pm

Quoting india1 (Reply 10):
The Eurofighter supposedly, but ite final signing has not yet been announced, and as you know, in India anything can happen.

The Announcement was supposed to be in last week of Jan 2012....
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RE: IAF And The Osprey

Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:42 am

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 9):
When you need to operate high in the Himalayas, there is not much of an option.

CH-53K, CH-47, H-101...
 
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RE: IAF And The Osprey

Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:18 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 12):

The Announcement was supposed to be in last week of Jan 2012....

Its like the Salman Rushdie visit / teleconference in Jaipur, isnt it?  
 
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RE: IAF And The Osprey

Wed Jan 25, 2012 2:12 pm

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 13):
CH-53K, CH-47, H-101...

Don't these bird take a big payload hit at those altitudes? I'm sure the V-22 would also take a hit, but probably not as bad.

And yes I think they are looking at the CH-47 also. Can't recall where I read that though.

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RE: IAF And The Osprey

Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:42 pm

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 13):
CH-53K, CH-47, H-101...

All of them have service ceiling in the 14-18K ft range. In comparison, the HAL Dhruv Mk 3 has a 28K ft ceiling. The Indian Army's requirements were a service ceiling of ~6500m (21325ft), in order to maintain forward positions at Saltoro and Siachen Glacier theaters. If they wanted a heavy helo to use in that theater they'd have the same requirements for it. Right now they use light (Cheetal) and medium (Dhruv) helicopters to service those posts.
 
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RE: IAF And The Osprey

Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:10 pm

Quoting india1 (Reply 14):

Its like the Salman Rushdie visit / teleconference in Jaipur, isnt it?  

guess the result was out in Jan last week.....Rafale wins
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