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Usaf Cancels Global Hawk, Extends U2 To 2023?

Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:00 pm

Breaking rumors about the Air Force cancelling the Global Hawk program, and extending the service life of the U2 until 2023:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...p-globalhawk-idUSTRE80N2EM20120124
 
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RE: Usaf Cancels Global Hawk, Extends U2 To 2023?

Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:04 am

Not unexpected... For the USAF its makes sense because they have a cheaper alternative (U-2).

On the other hand, it will still be a viable option for other countries that have no space based or high altitude substitute...
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RE: Usaf Cancels Global Hawk, Extends U2 To 2023?

Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:12 am

Well the U2 won't be susceptable to Iranian jamming

One had to wonder if that loss plays into this
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RE: Usaf Cancels Global Hawk, Extends U2 To 2023?

Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:19 am

Could this be the result of the drone fiasco which happened over or nearby Iran whereby it seemed
that an adversary force was able to take over control fairly easy of what was believed to be an unhackable remote
command link ?

Maybe UAV and UCAV drones are not just yet mature and secure enough to replace the human in the cockpit
just yet.
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RE: Usaf Cancels Global Hawk, Extends U2 To 2023?

Wed Jan 25, 2012 12:57 am

Could this pose a threat to the Euro Hawk project? After all Northrop Grumman is of course involved,and the system pretty much bases on the Global Hawk.
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RE: Usaf Cancels Global Hawk, Extends U2 To 2023?

Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:23 am

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 4):
Could this pose a threat to the Euro Hawk project? After all Northrop Grumman is of course involved,and the system pretty much bases on the Global Hawk.

Not that I can tell. It of course adds pressure to the program but should not "pose a threat". Global Hawk production and development continues across the other orders for it (including Euro Hawk of course).

This is just one order, though at 55 (reduced from 77) units it is/was a very big order, and while it will have an impact it needs to be noted that the AF has mentioned instead utilizing the BAAMS (US Navy) version of the Global Hawk instead and leveraging savings by havign an essentially combined order rather than a separate but similar plane.

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RE: Usaf Cancels Global Hawk, Extends U2 To 2023?

Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:08 pm

Question is firstly, how many are still flying/flyable. and secondly how many will be in 2023, I understand that 77 were built.

http://wiki.scramble.nl/index.php/Lockheed_U-2
 
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RE: Usaf Cancels Global Hawk, Extends U2 To 2023?

Wed Jan 25, 2012 10:50 pm

OK, I think I now better understand what is happening:

What actually happened is the USAF cancelled the last 10 of the "Block 30" Global Hawk's that were to be purchased during the 2013 budget year.

The Air Force originally ordered 77 units, reduced that to 55 and is now reducing it further. That should mean they will still have 45 Global Hawks delivered/on order.

AND the Air Force is instead requesting to buy the "Block 40" Global Hawk's. How many and when I don't know.

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RE: Usaf Cancels Global Hawk, Extends U2 To 2023?

Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:14 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 2):
Well the U2 won't be susceptable to Iranian jamming

One had to wonder if that loss plays into this

LOL, but the U2 is susceptable to SAM's. Maybe Iran's air defense in 2012 is not as good as Russian Air defense in 1960, but do you want to risk that?

Quoting tugger (Reply 7):

AND the Air Force is instead requesting to buy the "Block 40" Global Hawk's. How many and when I don't know.

Business as usual, let's move on . . .
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RE: Usaf Cancels Global Hawk, Extends U2 To 2023?

Thu Jan 26, 2012 1:22 am

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 8):
LOL, but the U2 is susceptable to SAM's. Maybe Iran's air defense in 2012 is not as good as Russian Air defense in 1960, but do you want to risk that?

And the RQ-4 isn't?
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RE: Usaf Cancels Global Hawk, Extends U2 To 2023?

Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:27 am

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 8):

LOL, but the U2 is susceptable to SAM's. Maybe Iran's air defense in 2012 is not as good as Russian Air defense in 1960, but do you want to risk that?

Yeah, that's why they don't do overflights generally anymore, just stand-off from "safe" airspace


BTW: Word on the street is the soviets shot down three of their own migs in the process of shooting down Powers
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RE: Usaf Cancels Global Hawk, Extends U2 To 2023?

Thu Jan 26, 2012 2:01 pm

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 9):

And the RQ-4 isn't?

Not the point. Losing a secret air craft is politically less damaging than losing a pilot (or worst, having a pilot captured and paraded in front of media).

Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
Yeah, that's why they don't do overflights generally anymore, just stand-off from "safe" airspace

But for the interiors, you would have to rely on satellites then.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
BTW: Word on the street is the soviets shot down three of their own migs in the process of shooting down Powers

   Didn't know about that. Guess the cost was worth the prize for them.

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RE: Usaf Cancels Global Hawk, Extends U2 To 2023?

Thu Jan 26, 2012 4:13 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
BTW: Word on the street is the soviets shot down three of their own migs in the process of shooting down Powers

Incorrect. Only one was shot down, a MiG-19
 
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RE: Usaf Cancels Global Hawk, Extends U2 To 2023?

Thu Jan 26, 2012 6:55 pm

Quoting L-188 (Reply 10):
BTW: Word on the street is the soviets shot down three of their own migs in the process of shooting down Powers

The MiG-19 pilot is reported as Sergey Safronov.
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RE: Usaf Cancels Global Hawk, Extends U2 To 2023?

Sat Jan 28, 2012 6:58 am

Quoting Arniepie (Reply 3):
Could this be the result of the drone fiasco which happened over or nearby Iran whereby it seemed
that an adversary force was able to take over control fairly easy of what was believed to be an unhackable remote
command link ?

No. The Global Hawk program has been in trouble for a very long time prior to this. This is a program that is not considered a priority for the USAF, especially with the major issues they are facing with it.
 
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RE: Usaf Cancels Global Hawk, Extends U2 To 2023?

Sun Jan 29, 2012 8:56 am

Later Global Chicken    (more flying for REAL pilots)!!!
What's the word on the block 40's?

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RE: Usaf Cancels Global Hawk, Extends U2 To 2023?

Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:56 pm

Quoting Gyreaux130J (Reply 15):
Later Global Chicken (more flying for REAL pilots)!!!

Sorry, that's not happening. At least not in the USA.

UAV's are not coming, they are here and their use is expanding not shrinking. Many "pilots" of the future will be flying while sitting on the ground.

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Edited to add quotes around pilots as I know some here take huge issue with including drone pilots as pilots.

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RE: Usaf Cancels Global Hawk, Extends U2 To 2023?

Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:31 am



Quoting tugger (Reply 16):
UAV's are not coming, they are here and their use is expanding not shrinking

I'm aware... just happy to see UAV's take a hit
Quoting tugger (Reply 16):
Edited to add quotes around pilots as I know some here take huge issue with including drone pilots as pilots.

Those "pilots" are winged Air Force officers... to hell with what people here take issue with. Anonymous geeks on A.net have no right to judge Air Force UAV pilots(They're already eating a shit sandwich, they don't need internet criticism).

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