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Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:11 pm

According to multiple sources, Dassault's Rafale has emerged as the lowest bidder, and therefore probable winner in India's MMRCA competition for 126 and possibly an additional 80 combat aircraft. Kudos to Rafale !


http://www.indianexpress.com/news/lo...india-fighter-jets-sources/906120/

[Edited 2012-01-31 04:13:59]
 
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:35 pm

You need to be very carefull
past experiences have shown us the amount of rubish that were reported in the news from India.
I would rather wait until this information is confirmed before trololol.
Personnally I won't believe any of this until I see pictures of Rafales with Indian Markings in (hopefully) a few years time....
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:00 pm

Well, the information is being taken up by Associated Press and Bloomberg , and Dassault shares on the Paris stock exchange have risen by 21%, so I believe this has far more substance than previous rumours. So I guess I will start celebrating now, although it is just the L1 bidder designation.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...n-india-combat-jet-contest-2-.html


Comment by French External Commerce Minister Pierre Lellouche (in French)

http://www.romandie.com/news/n/_Inde..._reste_a_finaliser310120121401.asp

[Edited 2012-01-31 05:06:43]
 
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:10 pm

Bloody hell
that's the light at the end of the tunnel

I think it s time for celebration your right
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:20 pm

Quoting flagon (Reply 1):
You need to be very carefull
past experiences have shown us the amount of rubish that were reported in the news from India.
I would rather wait until this information is confirmed before trololol.

Would you believe the BBC?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-16809532

The Times of India?
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...r-Typhoon/articleshow/11700801.cms

If you mean, there's many a slip between cup & lip, then, yes, I know what you mean - long way to go yet, but the "results" have been announced.
 
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:24 pm

You don't need to give any more evidence I think that looks pretty serious,
unfortunately I cannot access these internet sites from work.
Any chance you could post some extracts of interest? As I cannot wait until I go home....
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:26 pm

@ Flagon - for you, my friend, from BBC's website... voila!

French Rafale jet beats Eurofighter in $10bn India deal

Dassault will now enter exclusive talks to finalise the deal
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French firm Dassault has emerged as the lowest bidder in a $10bn contract to supply India with fighter jets.

Dassault Aviation will now enter final negotiations before any deal is signed for supplying India with 126 Rafale aircraft.

Correspondents say this is one of the world's biggest defence deals and is a major setback for rival bidder, the Eurofighter Typhoon.

Eurofighter lost out in December on an $8bn deal to supply jets to Japan.

Officials at the British High Commission in Delhi said they were disappointed with the decision and would now study the details.

A statement read: "It was expressly said this was about the cost of the contract, not a reflection on the health of bilateral relations between India and the countries."

The officials said they "genuinely believed the [Eurofighter] Typhoon offered the best capability now and in the future".

They also said it was "not beyond imagination" that India might decide the Rafale was not the right option as it continued the process.

Four other bidders had dropped out in the lengthy selection process.
 
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:32 pm

Very nice if true.

I wonder if the competitor will counterattack ...
 
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 1:41 pm

Congrats to the Rafale team. I expected the Typhoon to win the contest so I'm a bit surprised. For the Rafale it is a crucial export lifeline which will also increase their chances in other contests like Brazil.

From a European perspective I believe it is financially no longer sustainable to develop two competing fighters (or even three if you add the Gripen). The cost are too high if you have a two- or three-way split of the revenues. If a 6th generation fighter is ever developed in Europe surely it needs to be a combined effort.
 
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:36 pm

@flagon

Quote:
(Reuters) - French President Nicolas Sarkozy on Tuesday said that he welcomed a decision by India's government to enter into "exclusive negotiations" with France's Dassault for the purchase of 126 Rafale jet fighter planes.

In a statement, Sarkozy said talks over the contract would begin shortly, adding that the deal would include significant transfers of technology guaranteed by the French state.

Dassault Aviation (AVMD.PA) confirmed earlier that its fighter plane had been selected by the Indian air force.

(Reporting By Tim Hepher, Writing by Alexandria Sage; Editing by Jon Loades-Carter)
 
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:57 pm

@jouy31
@india1

thanks chaps
much appreciated

this news makes my day

It will be interesting to see how Eurofighter counter attack if they do....
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:29 pm

Quoting wolbo (Reply 8):
Congrats to the Rafale team. I expected the Typhoon to win the contest so I'm a bit surprised.

In times of world economic crisis at the end what counts is the price, and the Rafale is cheaper then the Typhoon. That's why Switzerland choosed the Gripen over Rafale and Typhoon. It was the cheapest offer.
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:31 pm

Quoting wolbo (Reply 8):
From a European perspective I believe it is financially no longer sustainable to develop two competing fighters (or even three if you add the Gripen). The cost are too high if you have a two- or three-way split of the revenues.

you can also include all Typhoon FAL (4 FAL and each can compete against others)...
 
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:44 pm

Yes and i've been saying thing for the last one year or so in this forum. The Hindi newspapers have been predicting this for the last 2 1/2 years since their Italian spoke to our Italian and fixed up their "retirement pension"

This is a disgrace!!! rotten plane rotten decision. But not surprising since this has been the most rotten and corrupt government in our history.

We've just initiated an affidavit under the Right to Information act about the newspaper reports that the rafale was the first plane that failed its Hot and High tests in Leh and was the first plane to be kicked out of the competition but their Italian's husband apparently called u our Italian's puppet and had it reinstated.

This deal wont stand. Now that the Supreme Court has basically opened the doors in today's judgement for the Italian to be prosecuted. This decisions will in all probability be challenged.
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:21 pm

Quoting Shmertspionem (Reply 13):
their Italian's husband apparently called u our Italian's puppet and had it reinstated.

What do the Italians have to do with this? I don't get it.
 
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:23 pm

A magnificent comeback after disappointing outcomes in previous biddings!   

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...tion-for-indian-mmrca-deal-367594/

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"Exclusive negotiations for a Rafale purchase will now take place, with Reuters having quoted Indian Defence Minister A K Antony as saying a deal will not be concluded before the start of the next financial year in April.

'Dassault Aviation and its partners reiterate their commitment to meet the operational requirements of the Indian air force,' the French company said, adding that it was 'honoured and grateful' to have gained selection."



Pleased to have picked the winner in the survey for the two finalists. Mayhaps Dassault's strategy was not to go all out in the smaller competitions but to focus on the biggest prize? Now, there'd be no excuse for failing in the negotiations. After all, they had a nice cushion for the Mirage upgrades.

Maybe this is the reason they could lower their offer to Switzerland? Similar expectations can now be foreseen in the unfinished tenders in Brazil and the UAE.


Quoting Shmertspionem (Reply 13):
This deal wont stand. Now that the Supreme Court has basically opened the doors in today's judgement for the Italian to be prosecuted. This decisions will in all probability be challenged.

Perhaps it's about time for the challenger to change their choice of "lobbyist"?  
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:33 pm

Quoting a380900 (Reply 14):
What do the Italians have to do with this? I don't get it.

Our Italian = Madame Sonia, their Italian = Madame Carla
 
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 4:46 pm

Quoting india1 (Reply 16):
Our Italian = Madame Sonia, their Italian = Madame Carla

I had no clue. I'm all willing to recognize corruption when it's there but I must say the Italian connection seems remote here. I don't know about your Italian but our Italian is not much into arms deals. Anyway... Stranger things have happened. It does not bring much to Italy if the country is at the center of this conspiracy.
 
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 5:08 pm

I guess the IAF chose the best considering the IAF needs & costs....

Any idea when the deliveries would commence.
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 6:11 pm

I silently kept my fingers crossed for Rafale and I am very happy to see it win this competition. Kudos to the Dassault team for winning this one.
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Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:36 pm

Quoting a380900 (Reply 17):
I'm all willing to recognize corruption when it's there but I must say the Italian connection seems remote here. I don't know about your Italian but our Italian is not much into arms deals. Anyway... Stranger things have happened.

I think they all have graciously (albeit grudgingly) accepted the result as befits honorable men.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...o-indias-typhoon-rejection-367621/

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"EADS company Cassidian has voiced its disappointment after the Eurofighter Typhoon's defeat in India's medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) competition, but appears to have accepted New Delhi's choice of Dassault's Rafale.

'India has taken the decision to select our competitor, although this is not yet a contract signature and the negotiations are still ahead,' Cassidian said. 'We are disappointed. However, we respect the decision of the Indian Ministry of Defence,' it added.

[.....]

'Based on the Indian government feedback we will now carefully analyse and examine this situation, together with our European partner companies and their respective companies,' said Cassidian."
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Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:29 am

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Wed Feb 01, 2012 2:51 am

Quoting india1 (Reply 4):
The Times of India?
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...1.cms

What is meant by produced below? Is it mostly assembly or a good portion of parts will be made by HAL?

So can we expect ATR to consider jointly developing 90 seater turboprop with India?

From the linked article above:
According to the Request for Proposal (RFP), the winner of the contract will have to supply 18 of the 126 aircraft to the IAF in 36 months from its facilities and the remaining would be produced at HAL facilities in Bangalore.
 
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Wed Feb 01, 2012 4:10 am

WOW! It actually happened as promised by the end of January. The Indian blogosphere has been snarkily enquiring about how many days hath January...

The IAF must be thrilled that this is actually happening, given that its pilots have been leaning towards Raffy a.k.a 'Katrina'.

Best of all, kudos to the Indian Government for enforcing a transparent and open process for the bid.
 
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Wed Feb 01, 2012 6:49 am

Quoting comorin (Reply 23):
Best of all, kudos to the Indian Government for enforcing a transparent and open process for the bid.

From what I read, the defence minister A.K Anthony has a reputation for being "clean" and is probably responsible for ensuring a transparent and open bidding process.
 
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Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:33 am

Good to see the Rafale win! It was my choice among the final four, and I'm glad it got through. The deal was as much a political as a military choice. France has been far more amenable as a broad strategic partner than the UK/Germany combo that led the Eurofighter consortium.

The French may be expensive compared to say the Russians, but they don't pull stunts like apply sanctions and lecture us if we do something like test nuclear weapons. Germany was the first to apply sanctions in 1998. There's a long bureaucratic memory of such actions. The IAF also has a long history of using Dassault products.
 
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Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:55 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 18):

Indian bloggers are suggesting the first squadron may arrive by the end of this year.


It is to be noted that the arms for this fighter will likely be US munitions (lot cheaper than French).

Also note that there is an added 80 aircraft to be purchased under this deal which could include those that did not qualify.
 
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Wed Feb 01, 2012 11:54 am

Any chance now for India chosing Rafale-M for their carriers ?
 
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Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:05 pm

Quoting TaromA380 (Reply 27):
Any chance now for India chosing Rafale-M for their carriers ?

I would have thought there is strong arguments to say that the Rafale is in strong position for the Indian Navy.
1) The indian industrial net for the IAF Rafale will already be settled down and up and running and the Rafale N has a lot of commonalities with the Rafale C. So it is basically reusing the same facilities to assemble navy variants?
2) weaponry like mica would be the same?
3) Is it fair to say the indian navy is looking for a strike/multi-rol platform like Rafale, air defense role being taken over by Mig29K?
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Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:18 pm

I came across the following comment...

Aviation expert Howard Wheeldon, of BGC Partners, said: "This is not the end of the road by any stretch of the imagination.
"The Typhoon, unlike the Rafale, is far from being a mature aircraft. The Typhoon has time on its side - the Rafale does not."

Some Eurofighter representatives seem determined to fight more than ever...
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Wed Feb 01, 2012 12:19 pm

The Indian Navy competition (Rafale vs. Eurofighter vs. others) would be far easier for the Rafale :
- against the naval Typhoon, a very doubtful paper plane versus an existent, proved plane, conceived from the start for carriers
- against the others, commonality with the already bought Rafale C

[Edited 2012-02-01 04:20:58]
 
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Wed Feb 01, 2012 1:18 pm

Rafale M and the Super Hornet would be great choices for Indian carriers, PROVIDED India opts for catapult-enabled carriers.
 
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Wed Feb 01, 2012 5:56 pm

The MiG-29K and Naval LCA are the primary platforms for the INS Vikramaditya (ex-Gorshkov) and the INS Vikrant (under construction at Cochin Shipyard) carriers.
 
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Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:20 am

The Rafale just has to be the best looking fighter currently made.


Those curves are sensational !
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Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:45 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 33):
The Rafale just has to be the best looking fighter currently made.

Unfortunately for the Euro-canards, real-world conflicts aren't decide by airshow performances.
 
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Thu Feb 02, 2012 7:49 am

Quoting powerslide (Reply 34):
Unfortunately for the Euro-canards, real-world conflicts aren't decide by airshow performances

I take you point onboard, but the indian decision to buy 126 jets was not just based on airshow performance, you may have noticed there was a bit more than that in the requirements...
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Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:02 am

Quoting powerslide (Reply 34):

Unfortunately for the Euro-canards, real-world conflicts aren't decide by airshow performanc

Plenty of fighters look great at airshows. It does not take away from their real world capability.
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Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:09 am

A few extracts from the british press:

"DAVID Cameron has expressed "disappointment" that a French firm had beaten BAE Systems to become preferred bidder for a major fighter plane contract with India."

"The industry was already reeling from India's decision to snub BAE Systems for a French rival over a fighter jets contract worth up to £13billion."

It is interesting to note that in this emotional time the UK press seems to overlook the fact that there is a bit more than just BAe Systems in the Eurofighter consortium....
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Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:56 pm

Quoting powerslide (Reply 34):
real-world conflicts aren't decide by airshow performances.

Rafale is actually the only 'Euro-canard' to have proven its worth in combat missions, having been extensively deployed in Afghanistan and Libya.

There's some real-world data Dassault could rely on during negotiations...
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Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:11 pm

I think the writing was on the wall that Dassault would win when BAE announced the job losses at EF manufacturing sites late last year.

Quoting francoflier (Reply 38):
Rafale is actually the only 'Euro-canard' to have proven its worth in combat missions, having been extensively deployed in Afghanistan and Libya.

You're wrong. The Eurofighter has also served in those conflicts.

Regardless, the Rafale will take India towards parity with China.

Seems like the France bashing has begun. Daily Mail isn't too happy:

France swoops to rob UK of £13 billion Indian jet contract

Nor are those at the telegraph:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...vernment-fighter-jet-contract.html


 
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Thu Feb 02, 2012 9:56 pm

Interesting video discussion of Red Flag 2008 with something about Indian Su30MKI and French Rafale.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ibgAQ7lv0w&feature=player_embedded#!

- Su30MKi better than F16 and F15
- French Rafale in Gulf war and Red flag 2008 did nothing but sniffing all the electronics signals of other fighters
 
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Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:37 am

Quoting imiakhtar (Reply 39):
You're wrong. The Eurofighter has also served in those conflicts

Not in Afghanistan, but I agree with you that the Eurofighter has now made its first steps in real war envirnment.

Besides, some Gripens were also employed in Lybia I think?
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Fri Feb 03, 2012 11:00 am

Quoting imiakhtar (Reply 39):
You're wrong. The Eurofighter has also served in those conflicts.

I'm aware of the operational involvement of the Eurofighter in Libya, but those truly were first steps into a combat environment and its actions were limited.

It primarily served as an air interdiction aircraft, which is what it was designed to do, but of doubtful use since Libyan aircrafts had been grounded long before the Typhoons became involved.
If anything, Libya served to 'try out' the Typhoon's air to ground capabilities, and the experience remained somewhat limited since they mostly operated alongside the Tornados and launched 5 times less ordnance than them.

The Rafale came in as a fully operational multirole fighter, already proven in the Afghan theater since 2007.

There's no doubt that the Eurofighter will eventually perform its mission admirably in combat duty, but so far the amount of operational experience amassed by both aircrafts is not comparable.
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Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:57 pm

The British press are a bunch of useless wankers, but the indignant drivel is fun to read. The bidding process was straightforward - Rafale and Typhoon were the only ones that met the technical criteria, while the final selection of the Rafale was the L-1 lowest cost bid.

Past experience shows that during war, neither UK nor Germany (or US for that matter) are dependable for spares support. Therefore it is better to utilize them for munitions, support equipment, not frontline aircraft. It remains to be seen how worthwhile the recent US equipment purchases are, in this context. France and Russia on the other hand, have both been much more consistently supportive.
 
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Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:39 pm

Any words on whether final assembly line will be in France or in India?

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Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:29 pm

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 44):
Any words on whether final assembly line will be in France or in India?

First 18 frames built in France and delivered key in hand, the rest is to be built in India by HAL.
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Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:47 pm

Quoting francoflier (Reply 45):
the rest is to be built in India by HAL.

Will it be in their Bangalore facility or have that been determined yet?

BTW, are there any good French restaurant in Bangalore?

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Sat Feb 04, 2012 3:44 am

I've heard rumours that when the French gave us the mirage before they disabled its ability to launch missiles when supersonic (don't know how true it is? Does anyone know more about this?). Hope that is not the case with the Rafale

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 46):
BTW, are there any good French restaurant in Bangalore?

The only good/decent ones I know:

Cafe: Cafe Noir

Fine Dining type restaurant: Medici French & Italian Restaurant

Those are the only two I know (may be others can add more) that serve dedicated french food. The rest are a hodge podge of Continental/French/Italian/Chinese/Indian/Martian etc.

[Edited 2012-02-03 19:45:40]
 
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Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:07 am

Quoting GolfOscarDelta (Reply 47):
Hope that is not the case with the Rafale

I think the IAF is in a better position today to determine its requirements & no supplier will try that considering the competition that exists for the deal....
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Mon Feb 06, 2012 7:17 pm

Very interesting article that expands on what I mentioned above:
Why India chose Rafale

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It is not widely known that during the Kargil war in 1999, the French approved with lightning speed the adaptation of Indian Air Force Mirages in tandem with equally speedy Israeli supplies of laser-guided bombs which they delivered in Srinagar: without such French and Israeli support, India could have lost Kargil to Pervez Musharraf’s perfidy.
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Policies may be the result of collective decision-making in governments, but within that framework, individuals do matter. One such individual who has left a mark on Franco-Indian relations is Jean-David Levitte, whose critical role in securing the Rafale deal for his country will never become a matter of public record because of the nature of his job.
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Soon afterwards, Levitte became French permanent representative to the UN in New York where he led, along with Russia, a split among the five permanent members of the Security Council on the issue of punishing India through sanctions on the nuclear issue. Later he was ambassador in Washington.

Two of the countries which have been after the multi-role combat aircraft deal, the US and Britain, were at that time in the forefront of efforts in the Security Council to choke India into submission and roll back its nuclear programme.

Within the political and civilian leadership of India’s defence establishment, there has been no doubt that other things being equal, India should reward a friend in need, in this case, France.

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