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Usaf Cancels Contract For Super Tucanos

Tue Feb 28, 2012 10:16 pm

Yet another chapter in this story. It seems the USAF is alleging improper documentation and will "review" the contract. Seems like a move to let Hawker-Beechcaft back in in my opinion.


http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...f-reverses-tucano-purchase-368892/

[Edited 2012-02-28 14:18:50]
 
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RE: Usaf Cancels Contract For Super Tucanos

Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:52 pm

This story is getting more twists and turns than the 3 KC-X and CSAR-X.
 
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RE: Usaf Cancels Contract For Super Tucanos

Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:01 am

Given that the US is out of Afghanistan in 2014(?) do the USAF want/need this type.

Will the new Afghan/Iraqi govt have the money to buy these planes?.
 
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RE: Usaf Cancels Contract For Super Tucanos

Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:49 pm

What goes around comes around.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-after-failed-us-selection-369202/

Quote:
"The US Air Force will probably have to restart its Light Air Support (LAS) programme, the service's top civilian official told Congress on 6 March.

'This is an urgent need from our Afghan partners,' air force secretary Michael Donley told the House Defense Appropriations Subcommittee. It is very likely we will need to go back and start from scratch on this source selection'."


Quoting bennett123 (Reply 2):
Given that the US is out of Afghanistan in 2014(?) do the USAF want/need this type.

Might have more to do with FX-2.....

Quote:
"The service has started an internal investigation, led by Air Force Materiel Command chief Gen Donald Hoffmann, to determine if there was any wrongdoing. USAF chief Gen Norton Schwartz said last week that there would be 'hell to pay' if any misconduct was discovered.

The Brazilian government, which the USA has been trying to court as an ally, has reacted angrily. However, after the US said it was still interested in the Super Tucano, the two sides have reopened negotiations."



There may be a bit of sense in this proposal after all.....

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...-time-as-acquisition-founders.html

Quote:
"Taking a page from the book of tort reform advocates, perhaps the Pentagon should require that the losing side in a protest pay the program back for the additional costs."
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RE: Usaf Cancels Contract For Super Tucanos

Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:51 am

And then there was one.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/Assets/GetAsset.aspx?ItemID=48097

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...n-light-air-support-tender-382842/

Quote:
"The US Air Force has awarded Sierra Nevada and partner Embraer a $427 million firm fixed-price, indefinite-delivery/indefinite-quantity contract to supply the Afghan air force with 20 Embraer A-29 Super Tucano light attack aircraft. The award brings to a close a long-running battle between Sierra Nevada/Embraer and Beechcraft to secure the Light Air Support tender."
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RE: Usaf Cancels Contract For Super Tucanos

Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:23 am

The question is, did the past year (to the day) improve anything at all?
 
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RE: Usaf Cancels Contract For Super Tucanos

Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:42 pm

In answer to my own post, after a little investigating, no it did not improve anything at all.

The contract awarded a year ago was for $355Million for an initial 20 LAS aircraft.

The contract awarded just now is for $427Million for an initial 20 LAS aircraft.
 
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RE: Usaf Cancels Contract For Super Tucanos

Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:36 pm

While I do love the Super Tucano and would be good for places like Afghanistan, with all the spending cuts and sequester in the U.S. - the US public opinion wouldn't be too favorable for a new contract especially for a non US built plane - unless Embraer was planning on building it in Melbourne FL with their Phenom jets
 
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RE: Usaf Cancels Contract For Super Tucanos

Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:11 pm

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 7):

I don't think the issue will be that's it's a non US company, which they are going to be built in Jacksonville BTW. The issue will be why is the US paying for planes they are just going to give away in the first place...
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RE: Usaf Cancels Contract For Super Tucanos

Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:23 pm

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 8):
I don't think the issue will be that's it's a non US company, which they are going to be built in Jacksonville BTW. The issue will be why is the US paying for planes they are just going to give away in the first place...

Good point - that is a big reason we are in this kind of debt to begin with. We gave F-16s to Pakistan and in the past we have given weapons to other countries that are now our enemies. For example - the Reagan Administration gave those SAM launchers to Afghanistan to fight the Soviets in the 80s and now they are using them against Americans.
 
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RE: Usaf Cancels Contract For Super Tucanos

Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:52 pm

Quoting moo (Reply 6):
The contract awarded just now is for $427Million for an initial 20 LAS aircraft.

Which forms the basis for this newest protest by Beechcraft.....

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-contract-award-to-embraer-383239/

Quote:
"Now, Beechcraft wants to know why the USAF selected the Embraer A-29 Super Tucano despite the aircraft costing 40% more than a bid based on the AT-6 Texan II.

Bill Boisture, Beechcraft chief executive, says he remains concerned about 'significant errors' in the USAF evaluation process, but did not elaborate."



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RE: Usaf Cancels Contract For Super Tucanos

Fri Mar 08, 2013 7:50 pm

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 10):
Bill Boisture, Beechcraft chief executive, says he remains concerned about 'significant errors' in the USAF evaluation process

As usual, the most significant error probably being "they didnt choose our product".

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