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Space Shuttle Discovery Landing At Dulles In April

Sat Mar 03, 2012 12:36 am

Sorry if this was discussed before.

"The Space Shuttle Discovery will be delivered to the National Air & Space Museum’s Udvar-Hazy Center in April. It will be transported by NASA atop a modified Boeing 747 and is scheduled to land at Dulles on Tuesday, April 17 (date is weather dependent). The museum has a special webpage about “Welcome Discovery” events which are planned. We will update this post with more information about the Dulles arrival as it becomes available."

Space shuttle discovery is replacing the Enterprise at IAD's Udvar-Hazy center.

http://www.mwaa.com/dulles/dulles.htm
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Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:15 am

Where is Enterprise going? Will the Modified, Former AA 747 continue to fly after the shuttles are moved to their final resting places?
 
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Sat Mar 03, 2012 1:27 pm

Enterprise is going to New York City for display at the Intrepid museum. Tentative schedule has it being flown up on Monday, April 23.
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Sat Mar 24, 2012 9:39 pm

So the question's are:

-What time will it be arriving in IAD

-What will Discovery be doing between April 17th when it arrives and when Discovery is deliver to the museum on the 19th?

-Will it just sit atop the NASA 747 until the 19th?
 
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Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:47 am

Quoting michiganatc (Reply 3):
-What time will it be arriving in IAD

Operational reasons will dictate that. Weather is a key issue as the pathfinder aircraft 100 miles ahead will determine the route. Departures from KSC is also based on many operational reasons hence i would not hold my breath for a deaprture on the 17th.

Quoting michiganatc (Reply 3):
-What will Discovery be doing between April 17th when it arrives and when Discovery is deliver to the museum on the 19th?

If it gets there on the 17th, the two days are built in to carry out the demate.

Quoting michiganatc (Reply 3):
-Will it just sit atop the NASA 747 until the 19th?

until the cranes,take her down.

At KSC there is a special demate/mate structure. At IAD, they will be using two cranes to do the job hence there will have to be a lot of prep work.
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Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:46 pm

Quoting eksath (Reply 4):
Operational reasons will dictate that. Weather is a key issue as the pathfinder aircraft 100 miles ahead will determine the route. Departures from KSC is also based on many operational reasons hence i would not hold my breath for a deaprture on the 17th.

I understand weather is a big factor in the operation, but do you think the odds of it arriving on the 17th are really that low? The Smithsonian has been hyping the April 17 arrival date, and April 19 transfer date for a while on their website. I know its quite out of the Smithsonian's hands on when it arrives, but a delay would seem to be pretty bad publicity.

I'm planning on getting down to IAD for its arrival via the 747 come hell or high water. I was planning to book a hotel room very shortly for the night before so I can be there early to set up (I'm driving down from PHL). I'm wondering if I should wait now. Do you know if there's a proposed timetable on the 17th assuming good conditions and no unforeseen delays (ie: departure time from TTS)?
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Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:16 pm

Quoting wagz (Reply 5):
I understand weather is a big factor in the operation, but do you think the odds of it arriving on the 17th are really that low? The Smithsonian has been hyping the April 17 arrival date, and April 19 transfer date for a while on their website. I know its quite out of the Smithsonian's hands on when it arrives, but a delay would seem to be pretty bad publicity.

Yes. I would give it the odds of a coin toss. I am merely stating the principal factors that standout at this point - i.e. 3 weeks out

Reason 1:

Weather is an unknown. Only can be sure after the morning weather brief. The orbiter CANNOT encounter rain.

Reason 2:

Mating the orbiter. There has been a drastic cut in the staffing available. In the old days (i.e. STS program days), there would be three shifts running and plenty of talent around. Post STS program, it is a skeleton crew. If there are any issues, there is no longer a 2nd shift or 3rd shift to keep the ball rolling. In a lot of the transition and retirement operations, items have been slipping for this reason. There is a reduction in resources etc.

The orbiters had a remarkable way of making sure they did stuff on their schedule hence anybody who has been around them will tell you the first rule is the qualifier "No earlier than..." The Smithsonian may just get the first taste of what is like to make a shuttle run on a schedule. It would have been better if that press release said, " Discovery will arrive at Dulles, no earlier than April 17th". That is what the press release would have said if NASA PAO wrote it.

In a good case scenario, the weather will be nominal and the mate will occur as planned. I hope so too as as I will be suffering through it as well at the mate/demate device. But I am not a gambling man, so i am not putting any money on it. I hope I am wrong though.

Quoting wagz (Reply 5):
Do you know if there's a proposed timetable on the 17th assuming good conditions and no unforeseen delays (ie: departure time from TTS)?

The best I can tell you at this point is that it will be an early morning (first light departure) from KSC. Upon arrival of NASA 905 on 04/09, i will have a better idea however this will be really known only the day before for reason given above.

The cruise speed of the SCA + Orbiter is about 250 knots at 15K; range is 1000 miles. There is the flight down the Mall planned, too. So one can extrapolate from there but if the SCA has to fly around any weather systems then this track will be longer.

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Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:30 pm

Quoting eksath (Reply 6):
There is the flight down the Mall planned, too.

Do I understand that correctly? A flight over of The Mall in DC?

If so then that is a nice PR move!
 
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Fri Mar 30, 2012 1:55 pm

Thanks for the information Suresh, it is appreciated. I had no idea the orbiter couldn't encounter any rain whatsoever. At this point I'll just plan for the 17th and hope for the best. At least if the weather forecast looks bad from a couple days out I may still be able to cancel my hotel room. One way or another I'm going to get down there (work be damned) even if it means leaving PHL at 5AM the day of to see it.
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Sat Mar 31, 2012 12:28 pm

I wonder if it is worth wile making a Transatlantic trip for the event. There will probably be a Zillion people at the IAD NASM and around.

Wonder what would be the best viewing point? The NASM tower can only accomodate so many and I am sure they will close it to the public or it would be an invasion up there.

I guess better have a scanner in hand if going to IAD to see the 747/Discovery combo landing.

They are not going to go around the airport for the pleasure of all in the passenger terminals are they?

 
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Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:24 am

Suresh - A question:
Will they plan to use Runway 1R/19L only, in order to minimize taxiing? I am banking on that, also because that would give everyone in attendance the best view. Here's hoping for a 1R arrival....
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Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:59 pm

Quoting captainstefan (Reply 10):
Will they plan to use Runway 1R/19L only, in order to minimize taxiing? I am banking on that, also because that would give everyone in attendance the best view. Here's hoping for a 1R arrival....

Taxiing is not an issue. The footprint is the same as a 747. I have seen the SCA land in the opposite direction of the demate device at KSC and then do a U turn (KSC runway is 300 feet across) to back track to the device. Wind direction will be decision. I can probably get a better idea when i talk to the crew once they get to KSC sometime after 04/09.
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Thu Apr 05, 2012 10:30 pm

I was at Udvar-Hazy earlier this week and talked to a staff member there about this. He said they are expecting the largest crowds they have ever had, and it will likely top the record-setting crowds they had on opening day. He also said that IAD-area hotels with rooms facing the runway/museum are sold out or almost sold out for that day.

I believe the parking lot holds around 2,000 cars and my guess is that will fill up quickly. I'm thinking my strategy may be to park at the normal IAD parking lots and then take a bus to Udvar-Hazy.
 
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Fri Apr 06, 2012 8:07 pm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...n/2012/04/05/gIQAUauNxS_story.html

I thought it was strange that T-38's would be doing a "mapping" run, but reading the posts above I think it is awesome that they plan on flying it over the DC area (over the mall is tremendous).

What a great event, too bad it has to come due to the shuttles being retired.

Just wondering, now that the shuttles will never go back to space, why can't they fly through rain? Would the rain damage the exterior visibly? Its not like they will ever need the heat protection again.

Edited for the rain question.

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Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:11 pm

Quoting n92r03 (Reply 13):
Just wondering, now that the shuttles will never go back to space, why can't they fly through rain? Would the rain damage the exterior visibly? Its not like they will ever need the heat protection again.

Rain will erode the tiles. Why fly it thru rain if they don't have to?
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Fri Apr 06, 2012 9:13 pm

Quoting n92r03 (Reply 13):
Just wondering, now that the shuttles will never go back to space, why can't they fly through rain? Would the rain damage the exterior visibly? Its not like they will ever need the heat protection again.

The real reason is that the thermal blankets will absorb water and the SCA will have a wet heavier orbiter than it took off with. It is approximated the change in weight will be considerable enough to effect the flight dynamics of the SCA/orbiter configuration.

 
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Fri Apr 06, 2012 10:56 pm

Quoting eksath (Reply 15):
The real reason is that the thermal blankets will absorb water and the SCA will have a wet heavier orbiter than it took off with. It is approximated the change in weight will be considerable enough to effect the flight dynamics of the SCA/orbiter configuration.

Interesting, I've never heard that explanation. Seems odd then that the shuttle can sit out on the pad, in Florida humidity, in thunderstorms, and for months at a time, without ill effect. I'd think that after sitting thru a FL thundershower, blankets would be popping off in orbit as all that absorbed water turned to steam.

NASA explains it this way:

How come planes can fly in the rain but something as advanced as a shuttle can't?

I can understand why you would ask that question. The shuttle cannot fly in the rain because those tiny little water droplets of rain when they hit a tile and the shuttle is traveling at say 300, 400, Mach 2, at those kinds of speeds, it acts almost like a bullet hitting that tile. The tiles are very brittle and fragile on their outside, so they can't stand to hit raindrops going at high speeds. So I can understand why you'd be confused about this very high-tech thing that can't do something as simple as fly through the rain. But that's why we can't do it.


http://www.nasa.gov/missions/highlig...sts/shuttle/sts111/shuttle_qa.html

Tiles rain tested on WP-3A showed damage:

http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/photo/P-3/HTML/EC87-0035-001.html

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Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:30 pm

Quoting zanl188 (Reply 16):
NASA explains it this way:

The info you cite is referring to a flight orbiter. Discovery is no longer a flight orbiter. It is a museum artifact.

There are two rules that apply to SCA+ orbiter + rain. The rule you mention is no longer in operation. A heavy orbiter due to water absorption is the one that is now effecting the flight.
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Fri Apr 06, 2012 11:48 pm

Quoting eksath (Reply 17):
There are two rules that apply to SCA+ orbiter + rain. The rule you mention is no longer in operation. A heavy orbiter due to water absorption is the one that is now effecting the flight.

So there would magically be no damage to the tiles simply because they are museum artifacts and not flight hardware?

Are they changing out all the "flight" tiles for "museum artifact" tiles? Why not do the same for the blankets?

Check out the test report on how the tiles play with rain in flight:

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/ca...asa.gov/19880011857_1988011857.pdf

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Sat Apr 07, 2012 1:20 am

Quoting zanl188 (Reply 18):
So there would magically be no damage to the tiles simply because they are museum artifacts and not flight hardware?

Are they changing out all the "flight" tiles for "museum artifact" tiles? Why not do the same for the blankets?

Check out the test report on how the tiles play with rain in flight:

Immaterial as TPS tests that would not have been done if they were flight orbiters have already been done. Preservation of an immaculate TPS has not been a priority and they are not in the flight state anymore either.

The wet blankets would effect the center of gravity and weight of the load carried by the SCA hence the precautions. They are not trying to save the blankets but dealing with operational details.

For the safety of the SCA, flight crew and the completion of the mission, the limiting factor is the water collection. There has been enough grievous damage/museum preparation done to Discovery already hence damage to the TPS would be a minor issue.

http://www.nycaviation.com/2012/03/p...cation-of-space-shuttle-discovery/

A few missing/cracked tiles is not going to make or break the display and the general public would never know the difference once replica tiles are put in place.
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Sat Apr 07, 2012 2:32 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 9):
Wonder what would be the best viewing point?

1R - Kmart parking lot in Chantilly.
19L - Exxon station on Old Ox Road just west of Highway 28.
Please note you can't see the actual landing, but it will be flying low over these points.

1C/19C, 1L/19R The roof of the west side parking garage. (I saw the very first A380 landing at IAD from there.)

If I get the day off I will drive up there for this event.
 
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Quoting eksath (Reply 19):
Immaterial as TPS tests that would not have been done if they were flight orbiters have already been done. Preservation of an immaculate TPS has not been a priority and they are not in the flight state anymore either.

The wet blankets would effect the center of gravity and weight of the load carried by the SCA hence the precautions. They are not trying to save the blankets but dealing with operational details.

For the safety of the SCA, flight crew and the completion of the mission, the limiting factor is the water collection. There has been enough grievous damage/museum preparation done to Discovery already hence damage to the TPS would be a minor issue.

http://www.nycaviation.com/2012/03/p...cation-of-space-shuttle-discovery/

A few missing/cracked tiles is not going to make or break the display and the general public would never know the difference once replica tiles are put in place.

Nice article, great photos. by eksath BTW. Says nothing about flying the SCA/Orbiter combo thru rain. Nor does it explain how these blankets can sit on the pad for months on end, absorbing loads of water with no effect, yet rain must be avoided to avoid water absorption by the blankets during flight on the SCA.

The reason they avoid rain is to prevent erosion of the tiles...
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Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:33 pm

Quoting zanl188 (Reply 21):
Nice article, great photos. by eksath BTW. Says nothing about flying the SCA/Orbiter combo thru rain. Nor does it explain how these blankets can sit on the pad for months on end, absorbing loads of water with no effect, yet rain must be avoided to avoid water absorption by the blankets during flight on the SCA.

Thanks. The reason i posted the article is to point out that the Discovery is now an artifact. Most people are unaware of the extent of the process.

Quoting zanl188 (Reply 21):
The reason they avoid rain is to prevent erosion of the tiles...

You seem as confident and dogmatic about this point as when you claimed the three OPF were going to be torn down until that was proven otherwise. Feel free to believe your point however i feel the same liberty to inform the public of the other reasons as well.  
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They are not going to go around the airport for the pleasure of all in the passenger terminals are they?

I highly doubt that. They will probably do a flyby of the airport.ATC usually requests this. Though, it may not be done if that will mess up the pattern.

Quoting wagz (Reply 8):
At least if the weather forecast looks bad from a couple days out I may still be able to cancel my hotel room.

I will post info as soon as i am aware.

Quoting captainstefan (Reply 10):
Will they plan to use Runway 1R/19L only, in order to minimize taxiing?

I will talk to the flight crew about which runway they plan to land on. In the operational days, this kinda of info (including routing) was classified. I am not sure if it can be released even now. I will check. SCA arrival at KSC is tomorrow afternoon around 530pm EST (that is not classified)  
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Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:25 pm

Thank you, eksath, for the information and updates. I am sure there are many of us following this post for your information  
 
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Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:58 pm

Won't be able to make the trip across the Atlantic this time. sigh....

I hope all of you who will be there will gratify us with lots of beautiful pictures and videos.

My beautiful friend Concorde F-BVFA will have a very famous Space Shuttle new neighbour.

        
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Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:05 pm

You are correct michiganatc, yes thank you eksath for the updates. I plan on going to watch them leave the cape as i only live 30 min away. Ive watched them come in before always impressive.
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Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:27 pm

Update 1:

I had a long discussion with the flight crew and here is a quick summary.

1. Wheels up from KSC at 0700H on 04/17 (assuming everything else goes on schedule,etc). Direction of takeoff will be determined in the morning. 10000 feet of runway is required. A south takeoff is preferred as she will not waste time doing the turn to fly over the beach and visitor center.
2. Flyby of Cocoa Beach etc. at 1500ft.
3. Passing SR 520, she will aim for the KSC visitor center - Rocket Garden.
4. Will continue with flyby of VAB and straight down the runway- South to North direction at 250 ft.
5. Pathfinder will be the NASA DC-9 Vomit Comet.
6. A NASA T-38 will be the photo chase
7. Fly by of Dulles. (all factors staying constant as planned currently)
8. Landing has been requested by the Smithsonian on 1R (it will be that if nothing comes up)
9. Mall flyby (subject to operational reasons).


I will update and add/change info as the days progress.
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Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:56 pm

Wonderful info, thanks very much for that. Glad to see NASA/Smithsonian taking the opportunity to make a BIG DEAL about this flight.
 
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Fri Apr 13, 2012 5:29 pm

Thanks for the information Suresh.

I'm not sure if you can get this information from the crew, but assuming IAD is on the 19s will the SCA still land 1R (unless of course the tailwind component is above operational limits)? Weather forecasts show a cold front approaching for Tuesday evening so I suspect winds may be out of the SW ahead of the front. If the arrival date gets pushed back a day or two due to that front, I would assume NW winds Wednesday and maybe Thursday behind the cold front.
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Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:41 am

Quoting wagz (Reply 28):

I'm not sure if you can get this information from the crew, but assuming IAD is on the 19s will the SCA still land 1R (unless of course the tailwind component is above operational limits)?

The flight engineer told me that in the scenario you mention, it will be based upon how this would mess up the pattern. i.e. if it can be done without difficulty, then it would be done. I would assume ATC has been planning for this hence they will be ready to bring her in on 1R (if everything else is within operational limits)

Quoting wagz (Reply 28):
If the arrival date gets pushed back a day or two due to that front, I would assume NW winds Wednesday and maybe Thursday behind the cold front.

As of a few minutes ago, everything seems to be on track. Discovery just pulled in to the demate device. So the schedule is holding. The more technical part (i.e. lift and mate ) start about now.

fingers crossed for a smooth work flow.
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Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:40 pm

Quoting eksath (Reply 29):
The flight engineer told me that in the scenario you mention, it will be based upon how this would mess up the pattern. i.e. if it can be done without difficulty, then it would be done. I would assume ATC has been planning for this hence they will be ready to bring her in on 1R (if everything else is within operational limits)

I'm sure IAD Tower and Potomac Tracon have everything worked out. I'm an ATC up at PHL and we bend over backwards for special operations all the time. Just last week we had to pull arrivals off the localizer for a C130 flying over the Phillies home opener.

I was just checking the NWS tabular forecast for Tuesday (not that its likely very accurate right now) and oddly enough the SW winds shift late Monday evening to the W and eventually WNW by Tuesday morning. Tuesday's high temperature has also been cut by 10º or more, so it seems as if there's already some sort of frontal passage Monday evening now.
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Sat Apr 14, 2012 5:54 pm

Quick post from my phone

Weather hold at KSC.reevaluate at 1530H to see if work can go on through the night or start tomorrow.this is effecting ops.
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Uploaded some upclose pictures of the SCA N905NA to my flickr account. They can be seen with the following link.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/suresh_atapattu/

This was after her arrival to pick up Discovery this week.
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Shuttle Discovery Leaves VAB For Final Time Ahead of Flight on 747

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-mY_Sdmo7U&feature=player_embedded#!

     
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Quoting eksath (Reply 33):
Uploaded some upclose pictures of the SCA N905NA to my flickr account. They can be seen with the following link.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/suresh_...attu/

Excellent pictures Suresh, thanks for sharing! Nice to see some details that the public is not normally privy to.
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Decisions, decisions. I'm torn between going down to Gravelly Point to catch the DC Mall flyover or heading to the Udvar-Hazy parking lot to see it come in at IAD.
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Eksath,
Thank you so much for the updates, we all appreciate them, great pics as well.

What is the best place to view the fly-by on departure. I'm in Florida and thinking about making the drive early in the morning. Any/all suggestions would be appreciated.
 
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Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:55 pm

Quoting WestWing (Reply 36):
Decisions, decisions. I'm torn between going down to Gravelly Point to catch the DC Mall flyover or heading to the Udvar-Hazy parking lot to see it come in at IAD.

That is a tough one, but if you come to IAD, you are guaranteed to see the SCA. Any type of operational setback and they will scrap the flyover. I work in Chantilly so my job did the decision making for me...
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RE: Space Shuttle Discovery Landing At Dulles In April

Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:06 pm

Quoting eksath (Reply 26):
9. Mall flyby (subject to operational reasons).

If this thing happens, do you have any knowledge of where along The Mall the pair will fly? I work on The Mall near the Capitol, and I'd be surprised if it got up that far, so where do I need to go to see it?

And what are the odds that the Mall flyby is scrapped altogether?

Finally, what time is the pair supposed to arrive in DC?
 
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RE: Space Shuttle Discovery Landing At Dulles In April

Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:17 pm

Well, there is no turning back for me now. Booked my flight, hotel and car rental for tomorrow. This thing better happen!!!
 
 
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RE: Space Shuttle Discovery Landing At Dulles In April

Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:49 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 39):
Finally, what time is the pair supposed to arrive in DC?

The SCA flies much slower and lower than a conventional commercial flight does.

http://twitpic.com/9a8jag#OV103

According to the NASA TV schedule coverage of the departure will start at 6:45am eastern. The flyover is expected between 10 and 11 am eastern.

  

Chart of IAD Washington Dulles including taxiways.

http://aeronav.faa.gov/d-tpp/1204/05100AD.PDF

This Washington Post article has a cute animation

Discovery space shuttle's last trek

After a year of decommissioning, NASA's space shuttle Discovery will make her final flight, to Dulles International Airport — site of the National Air and Space Museum's Steven F. Udvar-Hazy Center — on the morning of April 17, weather permitting.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...t/discovery-space-shuttle/?hpid=z5

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RE: Space Shuttle Discovery Landing At Dulles In April

Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:26 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 39):
If this thing happens, do you have any knowledge of where along The Mall the pair will fly? I work on The Mall near the Capitol, and I'd be surprised if it got up that far, so where do I need to go to see it?

An article in the Washington Post (sorry, no link as it was in the printed edition) listed both the National Mall and Capitol as sites planned for the flyby, as well as DCA, Andrews AFB and the National Harbor. My guess is that it will be visible from anywhere within that area. I work near the Washington Monument and plan to watch them from Constitution Ave. Hope it all goes as planned!
 
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RE: Space Shuttle Discovery Landing At Dulles In April

Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:51 pm

Quoting n92r03 (Reply 37):
What is the best place to view the fly-by on departure. I'm in Florida and thinking about making the drive early in the morning. Any/all suggestions would be appreciated.

I'm going. In the past I've parked on State Hwy 402 Max Brewer Parkway (the east west road just north of the runway) and got some great shots. Tomorrow I'm going to the KSC Visitors Center since eksath said they want a southerly departure and the winds are favoring that tomorrow (e/se at 5 knts), which means you'll see the SCA fly close on its outbound path and then directly overhead on its way out. The visitors center opens at 5am tomorrow (I called them to confirm) just for this event and it looks to be the prime non badged spot so that's where I'll be.
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RE: Space Shuttle Discovery Landing At Dulles In April

Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:20 pm

Quoting Charles79 (Reply 42):
An article in the Washington Post (sorry, no link as it was in the printed edition)

It's all here

Posted at 06:40 AM ET, 04/16/2012
Shuttle Discovery coming Tuesday, send us your pics

NASA says they hope to fly Discovery at about 1,500 feet over the Mall, Reagan National Airport and National Harbor. It may also be seen from the Old Town Alexandria waterfront; Long Bridge Park, located between I-395 and the railroad tracks near Crystal City and Gravelly Point; and off the George Washington Parkway, near National Airport.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...cs/2012/04/16/gIQArjb2KT_blog.html

I hope those on site will get us some pictures.

Any idea what the flight number is going to be?

I would like to track the flight on Flightaware.

  
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RE: Space Shuttle Discovery Landing At Dulles In April

Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:54 pm

Will be going to Udvar Hazy to try and get some pictures. The parking lot opens at 8 and I expect there to be a LOT of traffic.

Will be monitoring closely and will try and post pictures here if I manage to get any.

Wish me luck!
 
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RE: Space Shuttle Discovery Landing At Dulles In April

Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:42 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 44):
Any idea what the flight number is going to be?

I would like to track the flight on Flightaware.

The pathfinder aircraft is N932NA a.k.a the Vomit Comet

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She arrived this morning. You can track her

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NASA932

The SCA is "NASA905"

There is one T-38 s as photo chase. There were two sitting on the ramp today. They are

NASA923
NASA907

Other may arrive too. I will know in the morning but i may be too busy to post this data then. I have one final date with Discovery at about 5 am. One last good bye to an old friend.My time with her will be over and probably my last pictures of her will be over the SLF.

Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 43):
Tomorrow I'm going to the KSC Visitors Center since eksath said they want a southerly departure and the winds are favoring that tomorrow (e/se at 5 knts), which means you'll see the SCA fly close on its outbound path and then directly overhead on its way out.

South departure is now confirmed as per flight meeting.

She will depart 15 make a left turn over the NASA industrial area,KSC HQ, Causeway,CCAF,Port of Carneveral,Cocoa Beach,PAFB,KSC Visitor Center,SLF...and so long.

It was a sight as she got backed out. Engine start tomorrow will be emotional. I hope i can take the pictures.
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RE: Space Shuttle Discovery Landing At Dulles In April

Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:42 am

I was told that it is going to do a low pass on 1R at IAD and then circle to land 19L. But I see the wind is forcasted out of the NNW at 12kts, so I doubt that will happen.
 
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RE: Space Shuttle Discovery Landing At Dulles In April

Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:12 am

Haven't been on the board in a long time, but love that I can get in the fantastic inside information here. I go to school in DC, so hopefully I can drag some of my friends with really nice cameras out to help document what proves to be a wonderful day.
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RE: Space Shuttle Discovery Landing At Dulles In April

Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:22 am

Quoting michiganatc (Reply 47):
I was told that it is going to do a low pass on 1R at IAD and then circle to land 19L. But I see the wind is forcasted out of the NNW at 12kts, so I doubt that will happen.

Would love to see that, gear up and clean winged. Fat chance at all that though, I'll take what I can get!
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