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Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Thu Mar 15, 2012 5:15 pm

A Norwegian C-130 routed from Evenas to Kiruna is missing. Radar contact was lost around 3pm local time.
Search efforts has produced no result yet, and the weather situation is bad with snow drift and winds.

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/ir...s/Militart-fly-savnet-6785661.html

The search and rescue team consists of aircraft from Sweden, Norway and the US. The aircraft was part of the "Cold Response" drill in northern Scandinavia. Aftenposten states that the aircraft was new...
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Thu Mar 15, 2012 5:41 pm

Here's an article in english. 5 crew were on board.
 
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Thu Mar 15, 2012 5:59 pm

Fingers crossed. I've been up there: tough country.   
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Thu Mar 15, 2012 6:16 pm

Swedish and Norwegian media now reports that an emergency signal has been picked up by rescue helicopters
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Thu Mar 15, 2012 6:51 pm

This is really bad news!! my    that the crew is ok! If i am not mistaken the Norwegian C-130J was almost brand new!
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Thu Mar 15, 2012 6:59 pm

Swedish Search And Rescue department reports that Norwegian F16's has picked up heat spots in the area, but it's too early to say if it's hikers, reindeer/wildlife or the crew.

Only in Swedish, sorry
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:21 pm

VG is now saying that the 5 missing men have died in the accident.

Very sad, not something you want to happen in a training operation.

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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:30 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 6):

Strange, the aircraft has not been found and the Norwegian Minister of defense says the crew is dead?
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:30 pm

Norwegian defence minister confirmed that 5 crewmember are dead!   RIP!
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:30 pm

I'm in Kiruna right now, I have heard planes in the sky throughout the day. Very sad to hear this.

Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 4):
If i am not mistaken the Norwegian C-130J was almost brand new!

I believe their first delivery of the type to the Norwegian Air Force was in 2008, so indeed a very new aircraft.
 
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:35 pm

And now the Ministry of defense reported they were wrong, the plane has NOT been found.
Geez, I can understand it's chaos right now, but to call out that the crew has perished without actually knowing it is unbelievable...
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:38 pm

The ministry of defence in Norway has withdrawn the announcment that 5 has perished. The aircraft apparently has not been located. There will be a pressconferance 21:00 Norwegian time.
 
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:47 pm

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 11):
The ministry of defence in Norway has withdrawn the announcment that 5 has perished

????? what the heck is going on??
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:53 pm

Okay, this is very confusing.
But as johnkrist said, I can understand if there's chaos in a situation like this one.
 
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:14 pm

Terrible news. Really hoping everyone is found alive soon.
 
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:24 pm

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 11):
The ministry of defence in Norway has withdrawn the announcment that 5 has perished.

When it comes to a crisis the Norwegian authorities are fairly incompetent. They really shouldn't announce anything until the plane is found.
 
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:38 pm

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 15):
When it comes to a crisis the Norwegian authorities are fairly incompetent. They really shouldn't announce anything until the plane is found.

Norway's ministry of defence now confirmed in a press conference that the C-130J has crashed......but the plane hasn't been found yet.

[Edited 2012-03-15 13:42:09]
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:54 pm

Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 16):
C-130J has crashed

Crashed, or made an emergency landing.

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 15):
They really shouldn't announce anything

Probably was a prepared "scenario" statement that leaked, someone pushed send instead of save

The search equipment right now is (source Swedish Search And Rescue department):
2 Danish Merlins
2 Norwegian Sea Kings
1 US Hercules
1 US AWACS plane
1 Norwegian Orion

On the ground Swedish mountain rescue and miltary personnel is taking part in the search

The emergency signal caught earlier has not lead to anything  
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:59 pm

latest info:

Quote:
2012-03-15 21:20
Stabsgenomgång på JRCC
2 Norska Seaking och 2 Danska Merlin Helikoptrar står nu i Kiruna och tankar.
i Luften är nu:
-Amerikansk Hercules
-Norsk Orion-Amerikans AWACS


På marken söker fjällräddningsgrupper och flera grupper med militär personal.
Alla vittnesuppgifter verifieras och helikoptrarna skall ut söka på troliga platser.
Tidigare uppgifter om nödsändare har inte gett något.

http://www.sjofartsverket.se/sv/Om-o...s-mellan-Evenes-Narvik-och-Kiruna/

short summary in english:
2 Danish Sea Kings and 2 Norwegian Merlins are at Kiruna for refueling.
Currently airborne aircraft:
American Hercules and Norwegian Orion and American Awacs.

On the ground several mountain rescue groups are searching on probable locations.
Earlier info about emergency transmitter has not resulted in anything.

JRCC are the Swedish Joint Rescue and Coordination Center (Sweden Rescue)
that is responsible for leading the SAR operation.
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Fri Mar 16, 2012 12:21 am

Still haven't found anything. Weather is just getting worse, and it looks like the helicopters will have to halt their search. I'm really astounded at how long this is taking.

Hoping for the best. A crash landing with no serious injuries, and the personell are just waiting for rescue services.

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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Fri Mar 16, 2012 2:55 am

Depends on how remote/rough the terrain is, if I remember correctly when we lost the F-22 in Alaska it took some time to locate it also due to all the snow and terrain.

Hopefully the crew survived and are safe from the storm for the time being, one would hope their emergency beacon would be working.
 
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Fri Mar 16, 2012 5:28 am

some info about the weather in the area can be found here (click bildspel for images):

http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/Aktu...Tungt-drag-i-subarktiskt-busvader/
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:29 am

   Here's hoping for the best.
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:35 am

Helicopters have resumed the search efforts SVD says.

http://www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/so...ter-planet-i-gang-igen_6928289.svd (swedish only)

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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:03 am

There are now reports that all helicopters are grounded again due to the bad weather. Very bad news since searching by foot in this type of terrain is very slow, even if the current area of interest is "only" 3 by 5 kilometers. Hope the weather improves soon.
 
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Fri Mar 16, 2012 12:13 pm

It it certain that the C-130J is down and if what the media report is correct, it was flying at around 2300 meters altitude is a mountain range were the highest peak is around 2100 meter. That and the fact that there were no mayday call, leads me to assume that they crashed in to a mountain.

A Norwegian Orion and two Norwegian F16s are searching in the area, when the helicopters are grounded due to bad weather.

Hopefully the crew are alive in the wreckage.
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Fri Mar 16, 2012 1:08 pm

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 25):
That and the fact that there were no mayday call, leads me to assume that they crashed in to a mountain.

With the altitude and weather sounds like a CFIT.
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Fri Mar 16, 2012 1:31 pm

webcam from Kebnekaise: http://www.webbkameror.se/webbkameror/kebnekaise/index.php

and a map of the ground personnel search area: http://www.sjofartsverket.se/pages/0/C130b.png

[Edited 2012-03-16 06:34:47]
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Fri Mar 16, 2012 3:02 pm

Is it snowing in the area of the crash? Are there any glacias nearby they could have crash landed on? If the crew survived the crash, and the airplane is relitively intact, they would have access to their survival equipment which should keep them alive for a few days. Hopefully rescue won't take that long.
 
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Fri Mar 16, 2012 3:11 pm

The Norwegian Orion has observed something orange on the ground in the north east corner of the search area. Would be somewhere around "Nordtoppen" (The North Peak) in the map that ThunderboltDrgn posted. Helicopters are on the way as it's hard for the Orion crew to make out what it is.
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Fri Mar 16, 2012 3:12 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 28):

Yeah very poor weather in the area that prevents the helicopters from entering the search area.

Regarding glaciers yes there are a couple of them in the area. check the map link in my previous post.

There is Rabots glasiär between Kebnekaise and Drakryggen and then you have Isfallsglasiären,
Storglasiären on the east side of Kebnekaise and Björlingglasiären just south of Kebnekaise's southern summit..

Also weather forecasts says heavy winds (currently 38 knots, decreasing to 19 knots) and heavy snowing.
Tomorrow weather is supposed to improve with only light winds and light snowing.

[Edited 2012-03-16 08:16:45]
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Fri Mar 16, 2012 3:12 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 28):

It's not snowing right now, however the winds with snow drift and low ceiling in the area makes visibility poor.
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Fri Mar 16, 2012 4:45 pm

There has been some gaps in the cloud layer and 2 Danish Merlins are heading for the area to investigate the orange objects observed earlier.

All info from me is translated from the Swedish search and rescue website.
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:11 pm

Norwegian media now reports that metal parts, thought to be from the missing C-130, has be found on both sides of the mountain top Kebnekaise. It sure does not sound good considering the chances for survival.

Me thoughts are with the families of the 5 crewmembers.
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:51 pm

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 33):
Norwegian media now reports that metal parts, thought to be from the missing C-130, has be found on both sides of the mountain top Kebnekaise. It sure does not sound good considering the chances for survival.

Me thoughts are with the families of the 5 crewmembers.

yes apparently Swedish groundforces claims that the metalparts smells like jet fuel.

http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/nordland/1.8037994
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:42 pm

Swedish JRCC now confirms that a Swedish unit found several padded objects that are soaked with paraffin (fotogen).
These have been photographed and the images have been sent to the Norwegian military for analysis.


2012-03-16 20:01:
http://www.sjofartsverket.se/sv/Om-o...na/?RescueType=1&Status=1&Period=2
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:50 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 26):
With the altitude and weather sounds like a CFIT.

Maybe... with an error in altitude, or if they planned to descend to lower than highest mountaintops, a navigation error.

But I do not think CFIT is the only possibility. Several other possibilities come to mind:

Strong winds guided by the mountain forms could cause temporary loss of control, or even structural breakage.

Icing in the bad weather.

Any pilot error or malfunction above just 200 meter separation to the highest mountain tops... no time for mayday, no time to make a correction or emergency landing.

Quoting ThunderboltDrgn (Reply 35):
Swedish JRCC now confirms that a Swedish unit found several padded objects that are soaked with paraffin (fotogen).

Where is that used? Or is it the same as fuel?
 
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:38 pm

Quoting AirlineCritic (Reply 36):
Where is that used? Or is it the same as fuel?

It's Jet-A1, Norwegians call it paraffine, Swedes fotogen or rather flygfotogen (Aviation kerosene)
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:44 am

Norwegian specialforces from the Marinejegerkommandoen (MJK) ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marinejeger ) and Forsvarets Spesialkommando (FSK, en. Armed Forces' Special Command) ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forsvarets_Spesialkommando_(FSK) ) is now participating in the search. Swedish specialforces aswell.

http://www.dagbladet.no/2012/03/16/n...svaret/flystyrt/hercules/20721032/
 
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Sat Mar 17, 2012 5:51 am

Very sad news, but thanks to the Scandinavian a.netters for keeping us updated. I've been looking for news on this matter but it's very hard to find something in English.
 
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:20 am

Quoting EY460 (Reply 39):
Very sad news, but thanks to the Scandinavian a.netters for keeping us updated. I've been looking for news on this matter but it's very hard to find something in English.


There is some info in English at this address; http://www.thelocal.se/39718/20120316/
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Sat Mar 17, 2012 8:46 am

The wreckage or at least parts of ithave now been found.
Search teams have found wreckage debris that are spread out over a large area on
Rabots glacier which is on the westernaside of Kebnekaise's northern and southern summit.

http://www.sjofartsverket.se/sv/Om-o...na/?RescueType=1&Status=1&Period=2
http://www.sjofartsverket.se/pages/0/C130c.png

Swedish JRCC now officially hands the matter over to the Police who will lead the work from now on.

[Edited 2012-03-17 01:48:27]

[Edited 2012-03-17 01:51:07]
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:04 am

There are now warnings about high avalanche danger in the area ...
 
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:22 am

Quoting ThunderboltDrgn (Reply 41):
Swedish JRCC now officially hands the matter over to the Police who will lead the work from now on.

A special thanks to JRCC for the updates over the days that has passed since the crash. Still hoping for survivors, but considering how scattered the wreckage is there might not be. But, we all remember Alive so everything is possible...
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:51 am

The wreckage is described to be in many thousand parts and spread over a large area. It seems they went down hard and fast. It was found at about 1500 meters altitude.
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Sat Mar 17, 2012 10:37 am

The wreckage was found by Norwegian soldiers on top of Swedens highest mountain.

Pictures and video here:

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/artikkel.php?artid=10079288


Looking at the picture, that is on hell of an area to crash. Search and rescue personell won't get an easy task ...

[Edited 2012-03-17 03:38:18]
 
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:26 pm

First image from the crash site and aircraft parts has been released by the Norwegian military. It's easy to see why it was hard to find the plane, you can barely see the debris from ground level...
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article14538746.ab

This image is taken approx 100m from impact site and parts are located on both sides of that ridge.
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Sat Mar 17, 2012 2:37 pm

Wow. If I am looking at these images correctly, I am thinking the pilot flying drove the a/c right into the side of the mountain/glacier. And it shattered on impact. Even a small amount of snow would cover most of the wreckage.

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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Sat Mar 17, 2012 3:57 pm

Here's a report on the accident from Norway's Aftenposten; among those killed was the CO of the RNoAF's 335 Squadron:

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/Disse-er-savnet-6786877.html

A very sad loss; sincere condolences to the families and colleagues of all involved.
 
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RE: Norwegian Air Force C-130 Missing Over Sweden

Sat Mar 17, 2012 6:09 pm

From pressbriefing in Sweden 19:00:

Only bodyparts has been found and basically only small parts of the plane left. It is assumed that the aircraft has exploded on impact.

Remains will be tested with DNA


The pilots Flightplan has been found



Does these types of aircraft have a sound and datarecorder installed ?

[Edited 2012-03-17 11:11:49]

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