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Rare Visitor To Andrews AFB!

Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:21 am

Can't say I've ever seen this before. Still can't wrap my head around it. Why is a Saudi 747SP going to Andrews AFB, the same place Air Force One is stored? Do the Saudi's have a date with Obama?!


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RE: Rare Visitor To Andrews AFB!

Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:24 am

What is so surprising about a VIP transport landing at a military base, especially Andrews?
 
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RE: Rare Visitor To Andrews AFB!

Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:31 am

Quoting SEA (Reply 1):
What is so surprising about a VIP transport landing at a military base, especially Andrews?

The question should be "Why is a Saudi VIP transport landing at Andrews for?" Why couldn't they use BWI or IAD?? This seems like a conflict of interest to me, considering how the Saudi's don't like us very much.....
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RE: Rare Visitor To Andrews AFB!

Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:34 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 2):

Exactly...maybe I should have phrased it differently. I would not have been surprised to have seen this at BWI or IAD. It has already been to these airports at least once in 2012. I just couldn't understand why it was going to ADW. I have never heard of a Saudi plane landing at a U.S. military field before.
 
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RE: Rare Visitor To Andrews AFB!

Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:40 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 2):
This seems like a conflict of interest to me, considering how the Saudi's don't like us very much.....

Not at all. Why shouldn't foreign heads of state be allowed to use secure American facilities? Especially when it means no disruption to civilians. Surely using ADW is far better than having a IAD or BWI overrun with security and the like.

Quoting michiganatc (Reply 3):
I have never heard of a Saudi plane landing at a U.S. military field before.

Plenty of American planes have used Saudi military installations.
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RE: Rare Visitor To Andrews AFB!

Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:46 am

Come on people.... connect the dots here...... Saudis...... oil...... airplanes....... the last thing we need is a HUGE riot at IAD or BWI.
 
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RE: Rare Visitor To Andrews AFB!

Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:57 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 2):
The question should be "Why is a Saudi VIP transport landing at Andrews for?" Why couldn't they use BWI or IAD?? This seems like a conflict of interest to me, considering how the Saudi's don't like us very much.....

The Saudis don't like us? This is news to me, and my field is modern Middle East history. We're practically best friends. The only country that America is closer to is Great Britain and Israel.
 
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RE: Rare Visitor To Andrews AFB!

Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:02 am

Quoting SEA (Reply 6):
The Saudis don't like us? This is news to me, and my field is modern Middle East history. We're practically best friends. The only country that America is closer to is Great Britain and Israel.

Absolutely correct. The poster does not have a good grasp on the current geo-political climate (or the geo-political climate during the last three decades).
 
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RE: Rare Visitor To Andrews AFB!

Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:03 am

Quoting rj777 (Reply 5):
Come on people.... connect the dots here...... Saudis...... oil...... airplanes....... the last thing we need is a HUGE riot at IAD or BWI.

Why would there be riots? It's just another Saudi airliner as far as anyone can tell.

By the way, the United States Secret Service is responsible for the safety and security of visiting heads of state and their families, so they undoubtedly get a say in the decision. And it is obvious why they would much prefer using Andrews AFB to any civilian facility. It's just easier for everyone involved.
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RE: Rare Visitor To Andrews AFB!

Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:08 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 2):
"Why is a Saudi VIP transport landing at Andrews for?" Why couldn't they use BWI or IAD??

They could, it would just be a bad idea. If this is a Saudi government flight, it makes far more sense for them to be at Andrews. Andrews knows more than anyone else on the planet, probably, about handling high-security government VIPs.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 2):
This seems like a conflict of interest to me, considering how the Saudi's don't like us very much.....

The Saudi government loves the Americans. The USA is their biggest military supplier, one of the biggest customers for their primary export, and the Saudi's are one of the US's biggest strategic partners and allies in the Middle East.

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RE: Rare Visitor To Andrews AFB!

Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:15 am

Quoting michiganatc (Reply 3):
I have never heard of a Saudi plane landing at a U.S. military field before.

Its been happening for awhile now...Red Flag especially. Had Saudi jets come through Langley once on a stop over. No big surprise as they are our biggest allies in the Middle East.
 
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RE: Rare Visitor To Andrews AFB!

Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:30 am

Quoting genybustrvlr (Reply 7):
The poster does not have a good grasp on the current geo-political climate (or the geo-political climate during the last three decades).

Oh, really? Then explain why the average American citizen has limited access to Saudi Arabia, please. Americans cannot just go off on their own exploring Saudi Arabia on their own.... They have to be escorted.

I think the movie "The Kingdom" explains that quite well.
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RE: Rare Visitor To Andrews AFB!

Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:37 am

"considering how the Saudi's don't like us very much....."

Strange considering they recently made the largest arms purchase in known history from the US worth over US$60 billion.

Considering the size of the investment I would find it strange for a Saudi official to land anywhere but a military installation.

"The package includes 84 new F-15 fighter jets, upgrades to 70 existing Saudi F-15s, 190 helicopters and a wide array of missiles, bombs and delivery systems, as well as accessories such as night-vision goggles and radar warning systems."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...ms-deal-saudi-arabia-goes-through/
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RE: Rare Visitor To Andrews AFB!

Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:38 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 2):
The question should be "Why is a Saudi VIP transport landing at Andrews for?" Why couldn't they use BWI or IAD?? This seems like a conflict of interest to me, considering how the Saudi's don't like us very much.....

WTH are you talking about. The Saudi Government and the US Government have worked in concert for the past 60+ years! Ever since oil was discovered there...

BTW the Saudi Royal jets have landed ad ADW and IAD many times. The Saudi Ambassador to the US's A340 used to be based out of IAD. Nothing new or unusual here.
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RE: Rare Visitor To Andrews AFB!

Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:46 am

This comes across as a shocking case of ignorance by quite a few. Is this another case of wrongly believing that everyone with brown skin from a middle eastern country must hate the US? Certainly seems that way to me. The US Government clearly don't have a problem with letting the aircraft onto their base, so why assume there's anything odd about it?
 
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RE: Rare Visitor To Andrews AFB!

Tue Apr 10, 2012 7:18 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 11):
Oh, really? Then explain why the average American citizen has limited access to Saudi Arabia, please. Americans cannot just go off on their own exploring Saudi Arabia on their own.... They have to be escorted.

Actually they have not had tourist visa's for several years now...for ANYONE.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 11):
I think the movie "The Kingdom" explains that quite well.

You must not travel frequently at all then, because that movie does little to nothing in the way of explaining travel there.

Look...don't take offense that people have corrected you. Thats all it was, a simple correction. We have Saudi friends here that would appreciate the correction.

Edit...Good catch though on spotting it coming into Andrews!

[Edited 2012-04-10 00:20:54]
 
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RE: Rare Visitor To Andrews AFB!

Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:09 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 11):

Oh, really? Then explain why the average American citizen has limited access to Saudi Arabia, please. Americans cannot just go off on their own exploring Saudi Arabia on their own.... They have to be escorted.

I think the movie "The Kingdom" explains that quite well.

That has nothing to do with geopolitics. That's tourism and having never been to Saudi Arabia, I can't comment. Either way, it's no secret that the U.S. and Saudi government have been quite close for many years now. Do a DB search for Saudia VIP planes (the 747SP in question is a good example) in the United States and I think you'll be surprised how often they're spotted around this country bringing the royal family in for state visits, medical visits, shopping trips, etc. Not unusual at all.
 
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RE: Rare Visitor To Andrews AFB!

Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:30 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 11):
I think the movie "The Kingdom" explains that quite well.

A sad commentary on many Americans' views on world affairs - a movie forms the basis of opinion as opposed to something rooted in reality.
 
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RE: Rare Visitor To Andrews AFB!

Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:56 am

Not to get too far off topic, but, it does some a bit unusual, that Saudi Arabia is considered to be one or our allies, yet, it's virtually impossible for an ordinary American to get a visa to go there. Britain and Israel are also our allies and we send them millions of our tourists every year who pump tens of millions of dollars into their economies. Maybe we should start linking the ability of their royal family to get US visas to the number of American tourists allowed in. the more of our tourists they allow in, the more generous we are with their visa requests.
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RE: Rare Visitor To Andrews AFB!

Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:59 am

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RE: Rare Visitor To Andrews AFB!

Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:02 am

Quoting NorthstarBoy (Reply 18):
Not to get too far off topic, but, it does some a bit unusual, that Saudi Arabia is considered to be one or our allies, yet, it's virtually impossible for an ordinary American to get a visa to go there. Britain and Israel are also our allies and we send them millions of our tourists every year who pump tens of millions of dollars into their economies. Maybe we should start linking the ability of their royal family to get US visas to the number of American tourists allowed in. the more of our tourists they allow in, the more generous we are with their visa requests.

It's impossible for tourists from any country to get in, not specific to the USA. I guess you could call the Hajj tourism though...

I've been to Saudi once - my SV flight to DEL was delayed 24 hours. I was granted a visa to stay in a hotel for the night, using my American passport. People who only had Indian passports and were not Muslim slept on chairs airside that night. Saudi immigration policy is clearly much nicer to Americans than non-Muslim Indian citizens, I can tell you that.
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RE: Rare Visitor To Andrews AFB!

Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:11 am

Quoting SEA (Reply 6):
The Saudis don't like us? This is news to me, and my field is modern Middle East history. We're practically best friends. The only country that America is closer to is Great Britain and Israel
Quoting tdscanuck (Reply 9):

The Saudi government loves the Americans. The USA is their biggest military supplier, one of the biggest customers for their primary export, and the Saudi's are one of the US's biggest strategic partners and allies in the Middle East

You don't have to be lovers, to be business partners, I'm bet there are things they may not like about our culture, and I'm sure the reverse is true as well. Bottom line we have a deep relationship with the Saudis, the Royal family has backed US politics in the region, and I expect they do understand what power they do hold over the world, as they are an important supplier of oil to the West, without that relationship we all would be paying twice what we are for petrol. The Saudis have recently bumped up production of crude oil in hopes of keeping prices from getting further out of control,if that doesn't work it may end up plunging Europe then the US into a potentially devastating recession that will make 2008 look like a day at Disneyland. The Saudis are welcome allies and would get the same treatment as the Queen when she flew her BA 777 to AFB.
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RE: Rare Visitor To Andrews AFB!

Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:33 am

Quoting NUAir (Reply 12):
arms purchase ... from the US worth over US$60 billion.
Quoting NUAir (Reply 12):
The package includes 84 new F-15 fighter jets, upgrades to 70 existing Saudi F-15s, 190 helicopters and a wide array of missiles, bombs and delivery systems, as well as accessories such as night-vision goggles and radar warning systems.

Is it just me, or is that is a *lot* of cheddar for not that much hardware...?

If each new F-15 is $150m, that's $12.6bn. Let each upgrade cost $100m (why not?), that's another $7bn. 190 helicopters at $50m each: $9.5bn. Add it all up, and you haven't quite hit $30bn yet.

Someone's paying sticker price...  
 
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RE: Rare Visitor To Andrews AFB!

Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:13 pm

Quoting LimaNiner (Reply 22):
Is it just me, or is that is a *lot* of cheddar for not that much hardware...?

Let's not forget spares, training on the upgrades and support, plus the magical items ala $1000 hammer, so to speak!  

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RE: Rare Visitor To Andrews AFB!

Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:22 pm

When Jintao visited DC earlier this year he used Andrews as well.

Why fly into BWI or IAD, which are 50 and 26 miles away from DC? Andrews is 14 miles away and has the ability to handle a VIP without having to completely disrupt commercial ops...
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RE: Rare Visitor To Andrews AFB!

Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:39 pm

Quoting genybustrvlr (Reply 7):
The Saudis don't like us? This is news to me, and my field is modern Middle East history. We're practically best friends. The only country that America is closer to is Great Britain and Israel.

Seriously? I would say Saudi is more of a trading partner and that source of oil. I would not consider the kingdom friends at all. America is closer to a whole host of nations than they are Saudi Arabia. Australia, New Zealand, the NATO nations(for the most part), Japan, South Korea, Sweden. I could go on. America has little in common with Saudi apart from oil. The cultures and histories and political ideals are very different.
 
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RE: Rare Visitor To Andrews AFB!

Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:59 pm

From my time working in the Baltimore DC area. The Saudi Royal Family would use BWI/IAD for personal visits, but for official state visits they tended to use Andrews.

Foreign state visits usually do not require air traffic disruptions the same way the POTUS/VPOTUS flights do. Often they will use civilian airports as the services are generally better and ground escorts can still be effectively used. See JFK when the UN is in session.
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RE: Rare Visitor To Andrews AFB!

Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:37 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 11):
I think the movie "The Kingdom" explains that quite well.

Oh boy, what a revealing comment!
Please tell me that was being satirical?
I hate to break it to you, however trashy, silly Hollywood movies might not be much like the real world. Though I guess we've just seen who they pander to.

Saudi 747SP landed at LHR yesterday.
I just thought, 'don't see many of them around these days', rather than be consumed by paranoia, fuelled it seemed by shocking ignorance.

[Edited 2012-04-10 16:38:26]
 
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RE: Rare Visitor To Andrews AFB!

Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:26 pm

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