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North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:30 pm

The rocket to send a North Korean satellite into space (as they claim) is now fueled.

Reporters in North Korea are being told to be ready for a launch at or after 9:00am local time (about 9pm tonight Eastern time). I will have my popcorn ready.
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RE: North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:17 pm

Stupid time (for us Europeans). By rhe way: do you have a source?
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RE: North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:38 pm

A what altitude does anyone guess it will explode at? Any bets on if the JASDF will have to shoot it down?

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 1):
Stupid time (for us Europeans).

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RE: North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:05 pm

That's 6pm PDT. Right before the Dodger game. I'm in for an entertaining night!
 
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RE: North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:09 pm

So even if it is supposed to be a potential ICBM, they are still back at the technological levels of the 1950s: non-storable liquid fuel instead of solid propellant, like the Minuteman, which can be stored and ready for immediate launch for years.
What they got is essentially the equivalent of an Atlas rocket or maybe a Titan II.

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RE: North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Wed Apr 11, 2012 9:12 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
Any bets on if the JASDF will have to shoot it down?

JMSDF is tasked with shooting it down with SM-3 if it strays. JASDF is running CAP since the Aegis radars on the destroyers will be busy with other things.
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RE: North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:04 pm

Steve Herman, VOA reporter, has been reporting on this.

"#DPRK declared rocket launch window now open. No indication blast-off imminent."

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RE: North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Wed Apr 11, 2012 10:55 pm

Didn't Japan say they would shoot it down if it comes into their airspace?
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RE: North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:45 am

Hrrm tweets of

"If no technical glitches I'm anticipating attempted blast-off for #DPRK launch ~1100-1130 KST today."

and shortly thereafter:

"KCNA: Kim Jong Un elected chairman of the Central Military Commission. #DPRK"

Will there be fireworks?

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RE: North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:04 am

Scrubbed for today?

"No indication from #DPRK that launch going ahead this morning as anticipated. Launch window is 0700-1200 through Monday."
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RE: North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:37 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
A what altitude does anyone guess it will explode at?

I'd be surprised if it get's higher than 12,000ft before completely falling apart. I bet that the scientists and technicians are sweating bullets right now.
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RE: North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:50 am

Quoting TheCol (Reply 10):
I'd be surprised if it get's higher than 12,000ft before completely falling apart. I bet that the scientists and technicians are sweating bullets right now.

Failed 60 seconds into flight and fell into the ocean. They may have better luck with catapaults.

Twitter reporting that invited journalists did not get to see the launch. NK minders mum. South Korean navy/cg looking for wreckage.
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RE: North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:06 am

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 11):
Failed 60 seconds into flight and fell into the ocean. They may have better luck with catapaults.

Other sources say 90 - 120 seconds. Apparently the first stage didn't separate from the second stage. They had more luck in 2009 when the second stage didn't separate from the third. In other words: they get worse - just like the rest of the country.
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RE: North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:56 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17698438

North Korea said its scientists were assessing what had caused the failure.

Translation: "all the scientists were immediately lined up in front of the drawing board and shot"

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 11):
Failed 60 seconds into flight and fell into the ocean.
Quoting NoUFO (Reply 12):
Other sources say 90 - 120 seconds.

Close enough.  

IMHO, I don't think it's a good idea for the UN Security Council to make a big deal out of this. The communist leaders of North Korea count on this attention to give their regime legitimacy. They will continue to build missiles, and fail miserably, as long as they know the rest of the world cares.
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RE: North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:36 am

North Korea rocket launch fails

  

North Korea's keenly-watched rocket launch has failed, Pyongyang has confirmed.
The rocket - seen by many as a banned test of long-range missile technology - was launched from north-west North Korea early on Friday.
The US, Japan and South Korea say it flew only for a short time before breaking up and crashing into waters off the Korean peninsula.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17698438

              
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RE: North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:36 am

What a joke. It's a shame there's no video, that would have been really entertaining.

I'm now eagerly waiting to see how they're going to announce this to the people of DPRK.

* The meanies from the west have destroyed our rocket or

* Rocket fails because American material was used or

* Rocket launch was successful, satellite now fully functional in orbit (while showing edited images of an old russian launch)

Ahah, it's going to be brilliant.
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RE: North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:17 am

There is a video here

North Korea confirms rocket launch failure
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17698732

Pyongyang, North Korea (CNN) -- Defying warnings from the international community, North Korea launched a long-range rocket on Friday, but it broke apart before escaping the earth's atmosphere and fell into the sea, officials said.

"It flew about a minute, and it flew into the ocean," said Noriyuki Shikata, a spokesman for Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda.

http://www.gizmag.com/north-korea-rocket-fails/22148/

  

Embarrassed by rocket crash, North Korea may try nuclear test
MAXIM DUNCAN, JU-MIN PARK, Reuters April 13, 2012 4:03pm

PYONGYANG/SEOUL—North Korea said its much-hyped long-range rocket launch failed on Friday, in a very rare and embarrassing public admission of failure by the hermit state and a blow for its new young leader who faces international outrage over the attempt.

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story...h-north-korea-may-try-nuclear-test

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RE: North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Fri Apr 13, 2012 1:50 pm

Perhaps the NORKs aren't so disappointed. Now data from their 'weather satellite' won't interfere with their already stellar forecasting.


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RE: North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:44 pm

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 11):
They may have better luck with catapaults.

RP's ballistic defense network had those arrayed all along its northeastern shores in case the NK missile strayed off-course.   

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 16):

Embarrassed by rocket crash, North Korea may try nuclear test
MAXIM DUNCAN, JU-MIN PARK, Reuters April 13, 2012 4:03pm


Quote:
"The isolated North, using the launch to celebrate the 100th birthday of the dead founding president Kim Il-sung and mark the rise to power of his grandson Kim Jong-un, is now widely expected to press ahead with its third nuclear test to show its military strength."


KIS must be squirming in his grave. However, the region might not be completely free from the harmful effects of a failed nuclear test.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 16):

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story...-test

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RE: North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:18 pm

Shouldn't have launched it on Friday the 13th.
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RE: North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:32 pm

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 19):
Shouldn't have launched it on Friday the 13th.

Irrelevant. All the Controllers had thrown salt over their shoulders prior to ignition.
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RE: North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:11 am

I don't know if any of you noticed but if you look at the video where you see the "technicians" in front of their "terminals", you can see that nothing about these terminals look true or functional.

The screens show video, some open windows, a fake trajectory around a planet (which looks drawn more than anything) and even some heart-rate-like looking curbs. Basically, it's all fake.
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RE: North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Sat Apr 14, 2012 7:14 pm

To be honest, we don't know how much of it was fake. I understand there have been two control rooms (1 and 2). We don't know if it is a 'fake trajectory', after all it remirrors the data from the previously published NOTAM, and of course it looks drawn. But I too think that some screens appear to display unnecessary things, but what I do know?

When we compare the rooms to one of ESA's - is that really that much of a difference?

Edit: Link

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RE: North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:21 pm

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 19):
Shouldn't have launched it on Friday the 13th.

This is the best one!

              
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RE: North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:15 pm

The laugh's on us western nations for raising a fuss over the laughable prospect that NK might actually be able to launch something up on a ballistic trajectory, let alone orbital altitude... That's probably the reason the Chinese didn't seem to worry a bit.

It was just a case of sitting back, cracking open a beer and enjoy the fail avalanche.

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RE: North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:59 pm

Quoting francoflier (Reply 24):
That's probably the reason the Chinese didn't seem to worry a bit.

Actually they did. They worry about the forthcoming 3rd test of a nuclear bomb as well.
As you said, we may enjoy some Schadenfreude (I think there is *still* no English equivalent for it?) now, but what is lil' Kim going to do if this test is going to fail as well? Many observers feel that Kim Jong-un needs to impress the military to secure his position, and if both launch and bomb test fail, what does it take to impress them? Provoke an attack on South Korea?
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RE: North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:48 pm

I'd also be a lot more worried about a nuclear bomb test.

A wet skyrocket is one thing, but let these clueless idiots play with with enriched Pu and bricks shall be shat.
I can see Beijing getting a tad nervous about incompetent and overconfident attention whores playing with atom bombs right on their border...
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RE: North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Wed Apr 18, 2012 8:05 pm

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 15):
It's a shame there's no video, that would have been really entertaining.

I'm now eagerly waiting to see how they're going to announce this to the people of DPRK.

* The meanies from the west have destroyed our rocket


Quoting NoUFO (Reply 22):
To be honest, we don't know how much of it was fake.

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 25):
if both launch and bomb test fail, what does it take to impress them? Provoke an attack on South Korea?

Rumors are that the recent photos were staged, and that the actual rocket was destroyed last year by a cruise missile released from a Silent Eagle converted secretly in the South, which ran through a gauntlet of fighters and a cruiser...as this video suggests.....  .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3K1PzmH-2Q&feature=related

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RE: North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Thu Apr 19, 2012 10:25 am

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 27):
Quoting AF1624 (Reply 15):
It's a shame there's no video, that would have been really entertaining.

I'm now eagerly waiting to see how they're going to announce this to the people of DPRK.

* The meanies from the west have destroyed our rocket

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 22):
To be honest, we don't know how much of it was fake.

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 25):
if both launch and bomb test fail, what does it take to impress them? Provoke an attack on South Korea?

Rumors are that the recent photos were staged, and that the actual rocket was destroyed last year by a cruise missile released from a Silent Eagle converted secretly in the South, which ran through a gauntlet of fighters and a cruiser...as this video suggests..... .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3K1PzmH-2Q&feature=related

Check @ 1.24. Enjoy.

So what was it them what the South Korean, American and Japanese radar stations saw plummeting into the East China Sea?

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RE: North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:05 pm

A figment of their imagination?  


As to the question in Reply 25...there is this.....

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/art...%2C-seoul-unveils-new-missile.html

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RE: North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Fri May 04, 2012 12:56 pm

here is some exclusive footage:


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RE: North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Thu May 10, 2012 6:27 am

Quoting AF1624 (Reply 15):
What a joke. It's a shame there's no video, that would have been really entertaining.

It might have gone something like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGf-sS4js5Y
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RE: North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Thu May 10, 2012 7:49 pm

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 31):

Or like that:

http://youtu.be/icJOjKwn_7Y

 
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RE: North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Thu May 10, 2012 8:31 pm

Quoting francoflier (Reply 32):
Or like that:



That's funny too...but it doesn't have a certain je ne sais quoi like the former.  
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RE: North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Thu May 10, 2012 8:59 pm

Right, but it has a lil' sumthin'

 
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RE: North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Thu May 10, 2012 10:56 pm

The Boeing video was great fun.

However, it raises the obvious query that arises from these "sales brochures". While you are doing the Buck Rogers stuff, you assume that the other guy is sitting with his thumb up his a***.

Regrettably, whilst you are doing Buck Rogers, the other side will be making some efforts to spoil your day.

Besides, there were plenty on this site that predicted that this rocket would break up on take off. so why the surprise when it did so. Also if NK was going to lie, then why not announce that the launch was a success.
 
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RE: North Korean Rocket: Launch Window Announced

Fri May 11, 2012 1:10 am

Quoting TheCol (Reply 13):
IMHO, I don't think it's a good idea for the UN Security Council to make a big deal out of this. The communist leaders of North Korea count on this attention to give their regime legitimacy. They will continue to build missiles, and fail miserably, as long as they know the rest of the world cares.

Eventually they'll get it right. It took the USA some years to perfect IRBM/ICBM technology, if anyone remembers that far back. I'll get flamed for it, but IMHO NK has a sovereign right to develop missile technology - and nukes for that matter. Just like Iran. I mean, I didn't see trade embargoes on Pakistan when they developed their nuclear weapons and missiles. Did you notice any ? And they are a bigger threat to peace than is NK.

Quoting francoflier (Reply 24):
C'mon Kim Jong Un, aim for the Moon. I heard it's made of cake!


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