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Eventual Fate Of The Shuttle Carrier 747

Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:30 pm

I would imagine that the modified 747 that carries the space shuttle will have very little use after the remaining shuttles are ferried to the various museums... Endeavour to the California Space Center and the test orbiter Enterprise from Dulles to NYC where it will be housed on a barge at the Intrepid Museum on the Hudson River.

If it is the same aircraft all along, then it is a modified ex-AA 747-200. There aren't too many 200s still flying.
 
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RE: Eventual Fate Of The Shuttle Carrier 747

Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:35 pm

Since we didn't get an orbiter for the Museum of Flight here in Seattle, I think one of the 747s is a nice consolation prize (to go with the shuttle trainer we are getting).
 
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Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:41 pm

There's a thread in the military/space forum about it - they're going to be scrapped.
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RE: Eventual Fate Of The Shuttle Carrier 747

Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:46 pm

Quoting N126DL (Reply 2):
There's a thread in the military/space forum about it - they're going to be scrapped.

One of the two has already been retired to Palmdale to be a parts hulk for SOFIA, the SP modified to carry a huge telescope.
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RE: Eventual Fate Of The Shuttle Carrier 747

Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:52 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
Since we didn't get an orbiter for the Museum of Flight here in Seattle, I think one of the 747s is a nice consolation prize (to go with the shuttle trainer we are getting).

Well,you already have 747 #1 that's rotting away.
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RE: Eventual Fate Of The Shuttle Carrier 747

Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:36 pm

Quoting United_fan (Reply 4):
Well,you already have 747 #1 that's rotting away.

That museum already has too many jets rotting away! Now if they got their act together and actually had some of them flying (the jets that is!!) that may turn attract some attention. I'm personally not interested in Static displays....

Quoting RobertS975 (Thread starter):
it is a modified ex-AA 747-200

It's NOT a -200, it's a -100! I believe the final Shuttle Carrier is also the movie A/C that portrayed the "Columbia" 747 in Airport 1975.
 
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Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:48 pm

Quoting United727 (Reply 5):
That museum already has too many jets rotting away!

They're going to eventually enclose the Air Park to protect the existing planes and make room for the Comet 4, first 727-100 and other planes that are currently up in Everett at the Restoration Hangar.

Hopefully once that is done, refurbishment of the City of Everett would be possible (the MoF have said they want to do so).
 
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Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:49 pm

Quoting United727 (Reply 5):

It's NOT a -200, it's a -100! I believe the final Shuttle Carrier is also the movie A/C that portrayed the "Columbia" 747 in Airport 1975.

Now THAT would make for a great story!

Unfortunately, N9675 was the aircraft used in the filming, which became N675UP before it was scrapped last year.


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RE: Eventual Fate Of The Shuttle Carrier 747

Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:59 pm

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 7):
Unfortunately, N9675 was the aircraft used in the filming, which became N675UP before it was scrapped last year.

Stand corrected. Didn't that AA bird enter service with NASA???

Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
They're going to eventually enclose the Air Park to protect the existing planes

Stitch, this just makes my point further...these planes will NEVER FLY AGAIN! I think that's crazy. Some of the special jetliners should be kept just as flyable as some of the Boeing Props have. It's only money!
 
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RE: Eventual Fate Of The Shuttle Carrier 747

Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:45 am

Quoting N126DL (Reply 2):
There's a thread in the military/space forum about it - they're going to be scrapped.

negative. N905NA will live on. N911NA is now retired to Palmdale and is now the parts aircraft for 905 and SOFIA 747SP.
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Wed Apr 18, 2012 11:21 am

Quoting eksath (Reply 9):
N905NA will live on.

Can this be substantiated or is it informed speculation on your part?
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Wed Apr 18, 2012 12:06 pm

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 10):
Can this be substantiated or is it informed speculation on your part?

It is not speculation. This is first hand information. I should have some documentation to that effect somewhere too. I will post it when i got the free time to do it. Stay tuned.
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RE: Eventual Fate Of The Shuttle Carrier 747

Thu Apr 19, 2012 4:57 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 1):
Since we didn't get an orbiter for the Museum of Flight here in Seattle, I think one of the 747s is a nice consolation prize (to go with the shuttle trainer we are getting).

Where on earth would they put it? They're already pressed for ramp space down there and they still have a Comet and the first B727 to find homes for...

Quoting United_fan (Reply 4):
Well,you already have 747 #1 that's rotting away.
Quoting United727 (Reply 5):
That museum already has too many jets rotting away! Now if they got their act together and actually had some of them flying (the jets that is!!) that may turn attract some attention. I'm personally not interested in Static displays....

If I'm not mistaken (someone correct me if I'm wrong), RA001 is still Boeing property, so you can't really knock the museum for its current condition. You'll note that the outdoor aircraft that have been formally donated to the museum (G-BOAG and the VC-137B) are in immaculate condition. I'm sure that once Boeing hands the plane over for good, MOF will do a fine job of shining her up for the planned indoor display.

In any case, the 747SCA would make a fine museum piece somewhere, but everything I've heard suggests that she's going to spend some time as a NASA trainer before starting a new career as a couple thousand beer cans...hopefully that's not how it turns out.
 
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Thu Apr 19, 2012 1:18 pm

Per FAA database N7470 belongs to the Museum of Flight Foundation.

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...lts.aspx?NNumbertxt=7470&x=20&y=18

I expect the Museum of Flight will build a building around the jet transports it presently has on display. Then after, or as the building nears, completion a cosmetic restoration will be accomplished.
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Thu Apr 19, 2012 1:25 pm

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 12):
before starting a new career as a couple thousand beer cans...hopefully that's not how it turns out.

That wont happen. NASA realizes the value of the aircraft history and has often passed on the "quick buck". for e.g. the 4 STAs were retired to 4 centers as opposed to selling them off. There are numerous other examples. The last KC-135 Vomit Comet is a gate guard at Ellington. There are numerous others including T-38s at many different places. NASA 905 is an institution (even more so than NASA 911). On top of all of this, part of NASA's mission is education hence the preservation of the history and legacy of NASA905 fits into the grand scheme of things.
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Thu Apr 19, 2012 1:55 pm

In the other SCA thread (which seems to have gone missing) there was some discussion of how many hours N905NA had on her.

I checked FAA service difficulty reports database which sometimes collects hours & cycles. In N905NAs case it had one service difficulty report filed in July 1995 for a nose gear problem. In the 25 years between it's delivery to AA, 29 Oct 1970, it's redelivery to NASA, 18 Jul 1974, and it's one & only service difficulty report, 13 Jul 1995 it only accumulated 10434 hours. I find it difficult to believe that it would have more than say 15000 hours on the clock now, NASA doesn't fly it hard.

I tried to find a recent report on hours for one of it's period AA sisters, but was unable. Surely though it's surviving sisters had 100000+ hours.

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RE: Eventual Fate Of The Shuttle Carrier 747

Thu Apr 19, 2012 5:38 pm

Quoting ZANL188 (Reply 15):
In the other SCA thread (which seems to have gone missing)

That was inevitable-- seemed everyone wanted to start their own thread.

Bet it's not even up to 15,000 hours.
 
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RE: Eventual Fate Of The Shuttle Carrier 747

Sun Apr 29, 2012 5:42 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 6):
Quoting United727 (Reply 5):
That museum already has too many jets rotting away!

They're going to eventually enclose the Air Park to protect the existing planes and make room for the Comet 4, first 727-100 and other planes that are currently up in Everett at the Restoration Hangar.

Hopefully once that is done, refurbishment of the City of Everett would be possible (the MoF have said they want to do so).

About time. Seattle is not the ideal environment for an aircraft museum (too cold in winter and wet all year round). But if it were enclosed then it would make a huge difference.
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Thu May 03, 2012 9:16 am

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RE: Eventual Fate Of The Shuttle Carrier 747

Thu May 03, 2012 8:05 pm

Nice

Now would you carry The much larger Enterprise-D in two loads....since the saucer section detaches?
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