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Shuttle Flyover NYC

Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:36 am

Does anyone know where the 747 will land in order to deliver the Shuttle to the Intrepid ?

timetable ?

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RE: Shuttle Flyover NYC

Wed Apr 18, 2012 2:42 am

MEDIA ADVISORY : M12-071


Shuttle Enterprise to Fly Over New York City Metro Area April 23


WASHINGTON -- NASA's 747 Shuttle Carrier Aircraft (SCA) with space shuttle Enterprise mounted atop will fly at a relatively low altitude over various parts of the New York City metropolitan area on Monday, April 23.

The Federal Aviation Administration is coordinating the flight, which is scheduled to occur between 9:30 and 11:30 a.m. EDT.

The exact route and timing of the flight depend on weather and operational constraints, including the on-time delivery of space shuttle Discovery to the Smithsonian's National Air and Space Museum Stephen F. Udvar-Hazy Center in Chantilly, Va., this week. If all goes as planned, the aircraft is expected to fly near a variety of landmarks in the metropolitan area, including the Statue of Liberty and the Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum. When the flyover is complete, the SCA will land at John F. Kennedy International Airport.

During the weeks following the arrival, Enterprise will be "demated" from the 747 and placed on a barge that will be moved by tugboat up the Hudson River to the Intrepid museum in June. The shuttle will be lifted by crane and placed on the flight deck of the Intrepid, where it will be on exhibit to the public starting this summer in a temporary climate-controlled pavilion. The Intrepid continues to work on a permanent exhibit facility to showcase Enterprise that will enhance the museum's space-related exhibits and education curriculum.

If the flight is postponed for any reason, an additional notice will be released.

For more information about NASA's transfer of space shuttles to museums, visit:

http://www.nasa.gov/transition

[Edited 2012-04-17 19:44:39]
 
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RE: Shuttle Flyover NYC

Wed Apr 18, 2012 3:04 am

Looks like N911NA was retired in February and is now a parts bird for the Sofia project and N905NA. I assume N905NA will have the same fate after delivery of the Enterprise? I hope it has a better fate like a museum.
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RE: Shuttle Flyover NYC

Wed Apr 18, 2012 9:19 am

Quoting HarleyDriver (Reply 2):
I assume N905NA will have the same fate after delivery of the Enterprise? I hope it has a better fate like a museum

No.

905 has life for a bit longer.

She will become the flight proficiency aircraft for the SOPFIA crew. She will also be used on follow on NASA projects as they come into fruition. Also, she will be rented out. Already she has been used twice by Boeing to transfer their Phantom Ray UAV from factory to testing location. The side of 905NA has a logo to commemorate that too. See this picture below:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/suresh_atapattu/6932694018/in/photostream
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RE: Shuttle Flyover NYC

Sat Apr 21, 2012 3:40 am

Quoting HarleyDriver (Reply 2):
ooks like N911NA was retired in February and is now a parts bird for the Sofia project and N905NA. I assume N905NA will have the same fate after delivery of the Enterprise? I hope it has a better fate like a museum.

Nope...they still have another shuttle ferry flight in September to complete.
 
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RE: Shuttle Flyover NYC

Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:29 pm

Quoting av8r915 (Reply 1):
Shuttle Enterprise to Fly Over New York City Metro Area April 23.......
........If the flight is postponed for any reason, an additional notice will be released.

Update for 4 p.m. EDT, April 20: The Intrepid Sea, Air & Space Museum has announced that Enterprise's flight to New York has been "postponed until further notice due to unfavorable weather forecast" for Monday (April 23). More details to follow when available.

http://www.space.com/15352-space-shuttle-enterprise-move-nyc.html
 
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RE: Shuttle Flyover NYC

Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:02 am

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 5):
"postponed until further notice due to unfavorable weather forecast" for Monday (April 23). More details to follow when available.

Thank you for the update.

It does not change things much for the Intrepid Museum as they are not ready to receive Shuttle Enterprise right after they land at JFK. I suppose she will be put in a warehouse somewhere in the airport until she can be ferried to the air craft carrier in Manhattan.

Who will be paying for the covered dome that will house Enterprise at the Intrepid?

Concorde G-BOAD was also supposed to be put under a shelter when they received her but she is still outside.

 
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RE: Shuttle Flyover NYC

Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:49 am

NASA is holding a flight readiness review today (Monday) at 1pm, and should announce a rescheduled flight time after that. From the forecast, they say the earliest they should be able to fly is Wednesday, but we'll know more this afternoon.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 6):
It does not change things much for the Intrepid Museum as they are not ready to receive Shuttle Enterprise right after they land at JFK. I suppose she will be put in a warehouse somewhere in the airport until she can be ferried to the air craft carrier in Manhattan.

The shuttle is supposed to sit on the SCA for up to two weeks, while the mate/demate structure is disassembled at IAD, moved to JFK, and reassembled. Once it is off the SCA, it will stay in a hangar until time for the move to Intrepid. I've heard it will be sometime this summer, maybe a couple of months from now.
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Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:23 am

In this document NASA say the plan is to display Enterprise as if she were about to land:

"Shuttle Enterprise, which was the prototype vehicle and used in NASA’s approach and landing tests in 1977, will move from the Smithsonian’s Udvar-Hazy Center to the Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum in New York. At the Intrepid museum, plans call for visitors to be able to see Enterprise as if it were about to touch down on the runway during the landing tests that paved the way for future space shuttle flights. It also is expected to have a tailcone installed over the aft part of the shuttle, which was used to protect the space shuttle main engines and provide an aerodynamic shape when the shuttle was being flown on the back of a modified 747 jet called the Shuttle Carrier Aircraft (SCA)."
http://www.nasa.gov/centers/kennedy/pdf/608887main_T%26R.pdf

A facebook mate posted a pic (iPhone quality) that shows the SCA/Enterprise unit sitting on the ramp at IAD (Dulles airport)

Looks quite odd.

I am arriving into JFK on Wednesday afternoon, would be great to be able to see the flyover.

[Edited 2012-04-23 05:12:58]
 
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Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:33 pm

This just came on FB
re-posting here.

NASA's Kennedy Space Center

NASA managers, in coordination with Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum officials, tentatively selected Wednesday, April 25 as the date to ferry space shuttle Enterprise from Washington’s Dulles International Airport to New York City’s John F. Kennedy International Airport.

Once officially approved, NASA's 747 Shuttle Carrier Aircraft (SCA) with Enterprise mounted atop will fly at a relatively low altitude over various parts of the New York City metropolitan area on Wednesday, April 25. If all goes as planned, the aircraft is expected to fly near a variety of landmarks in the area, including the Statue of Liberty and the Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum. When the flyover is complete, the SCA will land at John F. Kennedy International Airport.

During the weeks following the arrival, Enterprise will be "demated" from the 747 and placed on a barge that will be moved by tugboat up the Hudson River to the Intrepid museum in June. The shuttle will be lifted by crane and placed on the flight deck of the Intrepid, where it will be on exhibit to the public starting this summer in a temporary climate-controlled pavilion. The Intrepid continues to work on a permanent exhibit facility to showcase Enterprise that will enhance the museum's space-related exhibits and education curriculum.

     
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Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:02 pm

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/tr...e/enterprise_flight_postponed.html
"The decision was made at the conclusion of the Enterprise Ferry Flight Readiness Review (FRR) and is dependent on the outcome of a weather briefing Tuesday morning. A large region of low pressure dominating the east coast has made it difficult to reliably predict an acceptable day for the flight.

Once officially approved, NASA's 747 SCA with Enterprise mounted atop will fly at a relatively low altitude over various parts of the New York City metropolitan area on Wednesday, April 25.
The Federal Aviation Administration is coordinating the flight, which is scheduled to occur between 9:30 and 11:30 a.m. EDT, weather permitting. The exact route and timing depend on weather and operational constraints. "

Now that is upsetting, I land into JFK at approx 1300 local!!
 
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Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:38 pm

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Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:18 am

Currently scheduled for Friday pending favorable weather. Even though clearing skies are forecast, NW winds are predicted 18-25 with gusts to the 30's...this could again put a damper on the schedule.
 
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RE: Shuttle Flyover NYC

Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:56 am

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 11):
Route of the flyover:

http://www.nycaviation.com/where-to-...york/

Great map, thanks.

I understand Enterprise will remain atop the SCA @ JFK until June when she is transferred to a barge to be ferried to Intrepid. Where at JFK will she sit?
 
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RE: Shuttle Flyover NYC

Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:26 am

She should be on the SCA for a week or two, until the mate/demate structure is brought up from IAD. The combo will likely remain down near Hangar 19, and once she is off the SCA, will go into the hangar until the transfer to the Intrepid. Today's ceremonies will take place near the remains of Hangar 12.
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RE: Shuttle Flyover NYC

Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:34 pm

Taxiing for takeoff now. CNN covering
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RE: Shuttle Flyover NYC

Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:42 pm

And shes off the ground...lots of flight control motion - looks windy
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RE: Shuttle Flyover NYC

Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:07 pm

Dammit, I left JFK last night, had been secretly hoping for another delay until Monday when I get back!!

Maybe I will spot her on the ground......Hanger 19 you say?
 
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Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:34 pm

Touring NYC now.

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Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:19 pm

On final now.,...

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Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:22 pm

Sitting up on top of the building watching the Shuttle Carrier fly around? Best lunch break ever.
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Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:22 pm

And on the ground in NYC.....
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RE: Shuttle Flyover NYC

Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:45 pm

Quoting stlgph (Reply 20):
Sitting up on top of the building watching the Shuttle Carrier fly around? Best lunch break ever.

I'm terribly jealous of you.

Here is a great image from the flyover, memories of Kai-Tak in Hong Kong!!!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/pmbreakfast/7118748857/
 
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RE: Shuttle Flyover NYC

Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:25 pm

Pick I took at the job today.


[Edited 2012-04-27 11:25:52]
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RE: Shuttle Flyover NYC

Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:35 pm

Enterprise lost a faux tile on takeoff. Also the access panel for the ground emergency rescue opened up.

This photo is a zoom in from the photo available at the link below...

Courtesy: NASA


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Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:08 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ASL0oS5ksU&feature=youtu.be

Not going to be the best landing video... just jealous.

[Edited 2012-04-27 17:11:16]
 
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RE: Shuttle Flyover NYC

Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:51 am

I watched the Discovery flyovers en route to IAD, and the Enterprise flyovers en route to JFK. I have two primary thoughts on these flights.

1. It's sad to think that the USA, the country that sent men to the moon, is now essentially out of the manned space exploration business.

2. How much did these flyovers cost the taxpayers? The last I heard the 747 with a shuttle on its back cost over $1,000,000 an hour to operate. I'm sure the price is higher now. This was an egregious waste of money. Direct flights would have been acceptable, but making circles in the sky while burning tons of fuel is not.

I have always supported the exploration of space, believing that the benefits would outweigh the costs; but these stunts were an egregious waste of money. The NASA big-wigs behind these stunts should be held accountable.
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Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:45 am

For a post that bemoans spending well into the 5-figure range while also bemoaning we're not burning 10-figure amounts on a quicker return to manned spaceflight, I can only think of the phrase, "stepping over dollars to pick up nickels." Lighten up. We blow money on parades, too. NASA's required the NGOs getting the Shuttles to pay transport costs regardless.

The manned flight hiatus my end up being shorter than Apollo-Shuttle. Guess we'll see.
 
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RE: Shuttle Flyover NYC

Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:22 am

This will give you a general idea of what it cost per hour, even if you double the cost it to inclued the Shuttle factor. It's nowhere near a 1,000,000 dollar an hour figure.
http://www.what2fly.com/operating_cost/boeing/747-200.php
 
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RE: Shuttle Flyover NYC

Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:43 am

I hope someone makes a small documentary on the retiring of the shuttles and the role the SCA took, I saw some cameras inside the cockpit I hope we get to see the footage.
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RE: Shuttle Flyover NYC

Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:40 am

Quoting contrails (Reply 26):
1. It's sad to think that the USA, the country that sent men to the moon, is now essentially out of the manned space exploration business.

NASA is NOT out of the business of manned space exploration. There are currently US astronauts on the ISS and there are others waiting to go when their turn comes up.

An American can get selected to the Astronaut core, train and be sent to space unlike your claim.

Quoting contrails (Reply 26):
Direct flights would have been acceptable, but making circles in the sky while burning tons of fuel is not.

NASA is mandated by Congress that part of its mission is education. The flyovers were small-very small exercises- are easily covered by their mission to educate and inspire the general public. The orbiters have been seen by millions and i can tell you from the public reaction it brings out a great deal -a HUGE deal- of interest in space exploration. The 20-30 minute flyovers generated tremendous bang for the buck.

On an operational side, those pilots also got additional flight time. Maintaining crew flight proficiency on NASA 905 involves monthly flights. N905NA will be flying at Edwards monthly with no viewers and no added benefit anyway so 30 extra minutes of flight time in a complicated setting such a NYC is actually operationally relevant to the crew as well. So I do not agree with you on this either.
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RE: Shuttle Flyover NYC

Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:04 am

The view from Bayswater Park yesterday morning...

1 - Initial fly over at Kennedy

http://www.moose135photography.com/Airplanes/Space-Shuttle-Enterprise/i-pQFNMLL/0/XL/JM20120427ShuttleEnterprise001-XL.jpg

2 - With a NASA T-38 chase plane watching, the SCA makes a low approach

http://www.moose135photography.com/Airplanes/Space-Shuttle-Enterprise/i-6Mq3zd5/0/XL/JM20120427ShuttleEnterprise003-XL.jpg

3 - On approach for the full stop landing

http://www.moose135photography.com/Airplanes/Space-Shuttle-Enterprise/i-djJnkCj/0/XL/JM20120427ShuttleEnterprise006-XL.jpg

4 - Passing the JFK Tower on short final

http://www.moose135photography.com/Airplanes/Space-Shuttle-Enterprise/i-TwSBdnf/0/XL/JM20120427ShuttleEnterprise008-XL.jpg

Suresh, thanks for all the information and updates along the way, as well as your excellent photos!
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RE: Shuttle Flyover NYC

Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:10 pm

Quoting contrails15 (Reply 23):
Pick I took at the job today.

Where exactly can I spot her, keep in mind I only visit JFK once a week at most!!!

Quoting moose135 (Reply 31):
Suresh, thanks for all the information and updates along the way, as well as your excellent photos!

I have to second this, while I missed the flyby by 24 hours I was able to warn a few of my colleagues who were in JFK after me so they could glimpse this iconic flight.
 
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RE: Shuttle Flyover NYC

Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:37 am

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 32):
Where exactly can I spot her, keep in mind I only visit JFK once a week at most!!!

The combo is parked at the Easy-Bake Oven (AKA the deicing tent) next to the old Hangar 12 site. From what I saw on a friend's FB page, they are now under the deice tent, with everything from the shuttle's tail aft sticking out the back.
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RE: Shuttle Flyover NYC

Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:47 am

Quoting moose135 (Reply 33):


Nice photos John!...Bayswater a good choice obviously. It was a tough decision where to be for this occasion with all the potential opportunities. Some of the best records of the day were from I-phones in Manhattan with the bridges, Statue of Liberty, Empire State Building, etc...So much for expensive Nikons!   
 
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RE: Shuttle Flyover NYC

Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:13 pm

Quoting moose135 (Reply 33):
The combo is parked at the Easy-Bake Oven (AKA the deicing tent) next to the old Hangar 12 site. From what I saw on a friend's FB page, they are now under the deice tent, with everything from the shuttle's tail aft sticking out the back.

I shall be keeping an eye out on Tuesday after my arrival into JFK.

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