HawaiianHobo
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C-5M Update For Travis AFB

Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:23 am

Just got done getting briefed by the Lockheed reps and it sounds like we're on track for a full fleet of C-5M's at Travis on May 2014. We're in the process of having our first tail 85-0008 accepted at Marietta end of this month and we'll be sending a new jet over every month. I guess since Dover is in full production mode and the majority of the 9th AS crews are M model qualified, we're going to start flying the remainder of their B models while ours get pushed through.

A couple of interesting highlights:

-An ECU issue that crept up a while ago has been resolved. (as a loadmaster, I'm not entirely sure what that involves but was touted none the less   Maybe Galaxy5007 knows more about it?).

-There was a thrust reverser problem where the TR would unlock in flight after a certain amount of hours and has been resolved as well. Not entirely sure if time was the factor but they did say it was only caught after they started doing flights above 8hrs.

-The pylon stress cracks that crept up because of the weight of the engines have been fixed as well as an area near the aileron hinge (not sure how thats a RERP problem but oh well).

-The interior mod's for the flight deck are supposedly still going on as planned at Stewart ARB. When asked if it'll be funded allt he way through, the Lockheed rep says they're not sure but remain hopeful.

-The RERP project has been funded all the way to block 6 out of 7 with the request for the final block to be funded being pushed through next month. all 52 B/C's and 1 A are expected to be funded. No additional funding has been requested or expected for any of the A's due to the expected retirement of all of them. All of the remaining A's are still being AMP'ed though which makes zero sense to me.


All of this was pretty exciting stuff today. The reps said there are 45ish more records they want to break with the M before the project is finally over. Hopefully us Travis guys will get a shot at it. The range they touted is just incredible. Dover to Iraq non-stop with 120,000lbs+ of cargo is just insane.

Finally, the Lockheed guys say they are trying to request for a new main landing gear mod to fix more of the legacy issues that are still popping up. More to follow.
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RE: C-5M Update For Travis AFB

Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:51 pm

Hey there...
85-0008 is being inducted, however it is becoming a Dover bird. Travis in return is getting 84-0062, which is already painted in Travis markings, but still staging and assigned out of Dover until 5008 makes it to Georgia. Both 4062 and 6020 are being flown by Travis crews; but 6020 is staying a Dover bird. Two other Travis birds will transfer to Dover in trade for 87-0027 and 87-0029. Those two jets are in PDM and interfere with the production schedule. 6020 is also still a B model here at Dover and is supposed to be inducted in June. 5008 was actually supposed to be inducted last month, but with Lockheed being 6-7 months late on deliveries now, they delayed the induction. 4061 has been delayed until June of this year. From what I know, there is only one "team" doing the backline/flight testing down there, so with them only able to do one jet at a time, they fell behind last year with 5002 and have been falling further and further behind since.
The first scheduled induction of a Travis bird is supposed to be in September. In October, I heard that 68-0216 was going to be inducted. Whether the schedule changes now or not remains to be seen, but my Lockheed rep hasn't been able to answer any questions regarding the delays. From other sources, I've heard there are alot of wiring issues and software problems with RERP itself. Another issue is the legacy issues that Lockheed finds while having the jet apart, but can't fix because "it's not in the contract". If they can get back on schedule; Travis should see its first C-5M in November 2013.

Quoting hawaiianhobo (Thread starter):
-The interior mod's for the flight deck are supposedly still going on as planned at Stewart ARB. When asked if it'll be funded allt he way through, the Lockheed rep says they're not sure but remain hopeful

The Air Force is funding the refurbishments, not Lockheed. The "speedline" crew at Stewart is just sitting idle. Rumor is 6013 is going to go in the beginning of May since 4061 has been so late. Speedline consists of both the refurbishment and a Minor ISO inspection. The last thing I heard, is despite Stewart not having C-5s anymore, they will continue with speedline there. Also, just for a minor correction, Stewart Field is a ANG base, not an ARB.

Quoting hawaiianhobo (Thread starter):
The RERP project has been funded all the way to block 6 out of 7 with the request for the final block to be funded being pushed through next month. all 52 B/C's and 1 A are expected to be funded. No additional funding has been requested or expected for any of the A's due to the expected retirement of all of them. All of the remaining A's are still being AMP'ed though which makes zero sense to me.

Correction, the 52 number includes the A model. There are 49 B models, 2 C models and the A model. The A model doesn't count really anymore because it has been an M model for so long now. There is a rumor about 2 A models getting added and them getting rid of the 2 C models. Another rumor is two A models would get converted into C models making a total of 4 C-5Cs that would then get RERPed. Both remain to be seen, I haven't seen any hard evidence about it though.
The remaining A models had AMP cancelled on them long ago. 70-0448 is the last A model getting AMPed, and it is done, just waiting for its functional check flight at Travis. All of Memphis' aircraft are legacy A models; all to be retired by the end of the second quarter of FY13.
The 27 remaining A models will be retired beginning in FY13...of course, this has yet to be approved by Congress. In the meantime, Lackland and Martinsburg both have their complete fleets of C-5A AMP jets.

Quoting hawaiianhobo (Thread starter):
Finally, the Lockheed guys say they are trying to request for a new main landing gear mod to fix more of the legacy issues that are still popping up. More to follow.

That is one of the major legacy issues that plague the plane. That, the flap and slat problems, fuel leaks, dewar system issues and environmental system issues that weren't addressed in RERP...oh yeah...so the plane is still a problem overall...lol. Actually the major problem with the C-5, is with the size, it is just a sheet metal nightmare. Trying to maintain all the metal and structure is a big job for the sheet metal guys. Anywho, I did hear about them proposing a new landing gear that isn't as mechanical as the current one. The current one is all linked up mechanically that has an insane amount of rigging that needs to be done. One part goes out of rig, and the whole system is flubbed up. On a brighter note, less strut repacks have been needed in the field since the Major ISO repacks have been implemented.

The BIG rumor here at Dover, is that the C-17s are going to Westover, while we get a bunch of their Ms, and Travis gains some of the Ms. From what a few have told me, is they want all 52 C-5Ms with active units. A neighbor of mine is a C-17 pilot told me that a bunch of people heard this and some are even getting orders to other C-17 units already. A guy I used to work with said it was a official counter proposal to the initial proposal that the USAF submitted earlier this year. This would make Dover an all C-5M base. Nothing was said about Travis losing their C-17s, but they would gain 6-8 C-5Ms or so.
 
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RE: C-5M Update For Travis AFB

Sat Apr 21, 2012 10:05 pm

Quoting Galaxy5007 (Reply 1):
The BIG rumor here at Dover, is that the C-17s are going to Westover, while we get a bunch of their Ms, and Travis gains some of the Ms. From what a few have told me, is they want all 52 C-5Ms with active units.


If that indeed pans out, all the C-17 maintainers will be on suicide watch... None any of them miss FRED.
 
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RE: C-5M Update For Travis AFB

Sun Apr 22, 2012 1:28 am

Quoting Galaxy5007 (Reply 1):
Also, just for a minor correction, Stewart Field is a ANG base, not an ARB.

I'm an idiot! I knew that.  
Quoting Galaxy5007 (Reply 1):
The Air Force is funding the refurbishments, not Lockheed. The "speedline" crew at Stewart is just sitting idle.

The Lockheed reps mentioned that, but they were under the impression that it would be funded all the way through, I just know thats not what I've read. Sorry for the misleading paragraph, I just got excited. Rumor mill being what it is, 60AMXS here at Travis is acting as if the interior mods are still a go as well.

Quoting Galaxy5007 (Reply 1):
Correction, the 52 number includes the A model. There are 49 B models, 2 C models and the A model.


See, I knew that number sounded odd but I was quoting from the Lockheed guys. We've been told for several weeks now that 6213 (C model) was already inducted and had begun RERP. I've haven't seen her on the ramp and to be honest, never bothered to look in the system to see where she is, but I guess 5008 is getting those honors first.

Quoting Galaxy5007 (Reply 1):
85-0008 is being inducted, however it is becoming a Dover bird.

That's sad, I've had some good trips on 008, she is definitely a moneymaker for me. You're positive 008 is going to Dover though? The reps never mentioned this. If thats the case, what tail # will our first M model be? We've been told we're "temporarily" gaining some Dover tails, but it was never mentioned they'd be a permanent edition to our roster.
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RE: C-5M Update For Travis AFB

Sun Apr 22, 2012 3:08 pm

Quoting hawaiianhobo (Reply 3):
See, I knew that number sounded odd but I was quoting from the Lockheed guys. We've been told for several weeks now that 6213 (C model) was already inducted and had begun RERP. I've haven't seen her on the ramp and to be honest, never bothered to look in the system to see where she is, but I guess 5008 is getting those honors first

8213 is in PDM; it is due out in August. I don't know what jet is going to be Travis' first C-5M; but I know that 5008, 6020, and two other Travis birds that are going to transfer to Dover are first in line before Travis inducts its first jet that they'll actually get back. As I stated above; Travis will gain 4062, 7027 and 7029 in exchange. 4062 was already repainted with Travis markings (I have pictures on my FB page). 27 and 29 are in PDM, and since the RERP and PDM schedules conflict, they are giving those two to Travis. I heard Travis wanted 4062 back since it was their first B model...so we get 5008. Would be nice if we could get 6015 back :P

Yes I am positive 5008 is a Dover bird after induction to RERP. In fact, if you can get a hold of the "galaxy report" magazine, it even says it in there (along with my before and after pictures of 4062).

Quoting hawaiianhobo (Reply 3):
60AMXS here at Travis is acting as if the interior mods are still a go as well.

Yes, the refurbishments are a go; they are well over due anyway. Dover has some B models that haven't had a refurb since 1995...it is time for some love! The AF is doing them, not a Lockheed contract team...which sounds like that is what they told you.
 
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RE: C-5M Update For Travis AFB

Sun Apr 22, 2012 5:31 pm

I just took a glimpse at the latest Galaxy report, love the 4062 Tail pics you took. Still sad about 5008 :-/ I wish Dover would take 7042 off our hands instead...I've never hated a plane as much as I hate that one. When I was MX, I spent 1 month of 12hr shift trying to troubleshoot that jet into the ground.

If you look right above your tail pics in the Galaxy Report, those pics at the Cape happen to be me and my crew. That was my first time loading the mini-can. I can say its a hell of a lot easier to load on the C model...just more time consuming.
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RE: C-5M Update For Travis AFB

Sun Apr 22, 2012 8:26 pm

Quoting hawaiianhobo (Reply 5):
I wish Dover would take 7042 off our hands instead

The heck with that! I hate that jet! I've had my fair share of work on that pig as well! Watch, just because you said something, that'll be your first C-5M...lol. I hope Dover gets 86-0015 back. I am bummed that Dover is losing 7027 and 7029...but I can understand why. All we need now is 5006 from Westover and we'd have 85-0001 through 5008! Heck, give us 5009 too! 5010 can stay at Travis...lol.

Quoting hawaiianhobo (Reply 5):
If you look right above your tail pics in the Galaxy Report, those pics at the Cape happen to be me and my crew. That was my first time loading the mini-can. I can say its a hell of a lot easier to load on the C model...just more time consuming.

Awesomeness! If the rumor comes true about them adding 2 more C models to the fleet, Dover would get them BTW. It kinda makes sense, 2 on each coast. Doesn't make sense to have one on each coast. I hope they pick 8214 for one of them (again, if this rumor comes to reality)...good jet for the most part.
 
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RE: C-5M Update For Travis AFB

Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:55 pm

Quoting Galaxy5007 (Reply 6):
5010 can stay at Travis...lol.

I'm not fan of 5010 either, there's an over G story I'll have to tell you about on that jet one day.  

I haven't heard anything about adding 2 more C models but it would definitely be interesting. I'd hate to share that gig though with Dover though, I enjoy doing my LAX-Cape Canaveral runs   Cost wise, I wonder if it would be easier to just keep the other 2 C's at Travis. Extra parts, local manufactured tooling, training on everybody's part from MX to aircrew, just seems daunting and expensive to start from scratch. Also, I can't imagine Dover's AR shop would want the nightmare of fixing C model aft doors...and I mean nightmare.
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RE: C-5M Update For Travis AFB

Mon Apr 23, 2012 10:00 pm

As much as I have a love/hate relationship with the C-5 I do enjoy your discussions...

Where can a AF contractor get a look at "Galaxy Report"? I googled it and gather it's a Lockheed pub, like Code One, however I cannot find the website for it....
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RE: C-5M Update For Travis AFB

Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:28 pm

ZAN, send me an email by clicking on my contact information and I'll email you the latest issue and give you the info for subscribing to the Galaxy Report.
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RE: C-5M Update For Travis AFB

Thu Apr 26, 2012 11:58 pm

Quoting Galaxy5007 (Reply 1):

The BIG rumor here at Dover, is that the C-17s are going to Westover, while we get a bunch of their Ms, and Travis gains some of the Ms. From what a few have told me, is they want all 52 C-5Ms with active units. A neighbor of mine is a C-17 pilot told me that a bunch of people heard this and some are even getting orders to other C-17 units already. A guy I used to work with said it was a official counter proposal to the initial proposal that the USAF submitted earlier this year. This would make Dover an all C-5M base. Nothing was said about Travis losing their C-17s, but they would gain 6-8 C-5Ms or so.

This is probably their best bet to head off a future BRAC closure at Dover, go back to being the main C-5 base.
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