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F-22'S With In 200 Miles Of Iran!

Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:47 am

Just read a report the air force is stationing F-22's with in 200 miles of Iran! Anybody hear anything about this?
 
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Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:03 pm

http://tinyurl.com/bs5ee9l

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As tensions between Iran and the U.S. and Israel continue to mount over the former’s pursuit of nuclear weapons technologies, the U.S. has quietly begun a deployment of its premier stealthy fighter, the twin-engine F-22, to the nearby United Arab Emirates.

Multiple F-22s will operate out of Al Dhafra Air Base, say industry sources. This is the same base from which U-2s and Global Hawk unmanned aerial vehicles have been launched since shortly after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

“The United States Air Force has deployed F-22s to Southwest Asia,” according to a statement from service spokesman Capt. Phil Ventura. “Such deployments strengthen military-to-military relationships, promote sovereign and regional security, improve combined tactical air operations and enhance interoperability of forces, equipment and procedures.” Ventura declined to specify what the aircraft's mission is for this deployment.

Because of the F-22’s supercruise – or high, efficient rate of speed – stealth, thrust-vectoring and inherent intelligence-collection capabilities, it is considered the most sophisticated fighter in the world. Deploying it to any region causes occupants there to take note. says one industry official.

The timing of the deployment could be a signal from Washington to Iran to take seriously objections to the latter’s nuclear weapons ambitions.
 
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RE: F-22'S With In 200 Miles Of Iran!

Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:08 pm

I guess Irans F-14s and F-4s might have some compitition.
 
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Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:32 pm

Is this a TDY or permanent change of station?
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Sat Apr 28, 2012 3:14 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
I guess Irans F-14s and F-4s might have some compitition.

Are any of the Shah's Tomcats still airworthy ? I believe there are still Phantoms flying, though.
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RE: F-22'S With In 200 Miles Of Iran!

Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:01 pm

Quoting Thumper (Thread starter):
F-22'S With In 200 Miles Of Iran!

We didn't buy them to keep them stateside forever...
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Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:08 pm

My wild guess is that there location is somewhere in an airbase in Turkmenistan. Just a guess.

[Edited 2012-04-28 09:18:39]
 
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Sat Apr 28, 2012 4:25 pm

Quoting ebj1248650 (Reply 3):
Is this a TDY or permanent change of station?

Neither, it's a deployment.
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Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:27 pm

Quoting wardialer (Reply 6):
My wild guess is that there location is somewhere in an airbase in Turkmenistan. Just a guess.

Why? The article clearly states they're at Al Dhafra Air Base...
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Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:44 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
Irans F-14s and F-4s might have some compitition.

It would be more of a competition to see who stays flying the longest. I'm placing bets that neither make it out of their own airspace before turning into pieces scattered on the Iranian landscape.
 
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Sat Apr 28, 2012 8:14 pm

Quoting Powerslide (Reply 9):
It would be more of a competition to see who stays flying the longest. I'm placing bets that neither make it out of their own airspace before turning into pieces scattered on the Iranian landscape.

Or more likely this is part of the diplomatic game of bluff that has been going on for some time. Also to give Israel a 'fell good' sense so that they don't do anything stupid. Like attack Iran.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/04/28

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/iran...n-unlikely-develop-nuclear-weapons

http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=267783

If you know anything about Israel, it's that the Jerusalem Post can never be described as other than strongly right of center.

It's interesting that current and/or former military and quasi-military leaders are coalescing into an anti-Netanyahu/Barak front. You have to wonder how long he will remain in power. He is, after all, the single biggest obstacle to peace in the region.

But it's a little off-topic I guess, except for providing a rational for deploying Raptors in the region. Hopefully they've fixed the OBOGS problem. Hate to see someone drive one into a sand dune.
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Sat Apr 28, 2012 9:19 pm

According to Fox News, the US will not state on the exact location on where there stationed like here below.
So my guess would be Turkmenistan.


The Air Force won't say how many jets were sent or exactly where they are stationed, but privately, U.S. officials have told Fox News the jets are in hangars at the United Arab Emirates' Al Dafra Air Base, a fact first reported by Aviation Week.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...ran/?test=latestnews#ixzz1tN8I4IGu
 
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Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:25 pm

Just for a little clarification, my Reply 10 was to the point that the supposed F-22 deployment to the ME is not really about Iran. It's about Israel, and restraining them with the illusion the F-22 will keep them safe. The links are there to buttress the position that many inside Israel, influential people, are of the opinion that the national posture does not serve them well.

But I am sure many will disagree.
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Sun Apr 29, 2012 1:25 am

So what exactly will the F-22 be doing, the US Air Force already fly's over Iran airspace, the F-22 can't lift the bunker busters required to knock out nuke facilities and Iran fighter forces will probably not launch so..........
 
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Sun Apr 29, 2012 9:08 am

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 10):
If you know anything about Israel, it's that the Jerusalem Post can never be described as other than strongly right of center.

It's interesting that current and/or former military and quasi-military leaders are coalescing into an anti-Netanyahu/Barak front. You have to wonder how long he will remain in power. He is, after all, the single biggest obstacle to peace in the region.

Quite. What informed people in Israel have been saying on this recently is startling, if the same happened in the US or UK it would be quite a scandal. Basically those in a position to know yelling 'BS' at the PM.
Still, given the other scandals Netanyahu is embroiled in, maybe one more makes no difference.
Certainly you wonder whether he is stoking a crisis to deflect attention from his domestic problems.
 
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Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:53 am

Quoting GDB (Reply 14):
What informed people in Israel have been saying on this recently is startling,

One should also bear in mind the political climate / envronment, in recent history Israel governments have struggled to complete a full elected term.

In any event, they are in a no win situation and the circle is never ending. Israel said Iran was working on a nuke, the world said no, the US took up the mantra, nothing, the EU then took up the mantra, nothing, and by nothing I mean that Iran is still on its way towards its nuke.
In history Libya was the only nation who the world claimed was on the path and negotiation got them to drop the program, Iraq took a military strike from Israel and the last, well who knows. So when in our history has negotiation and payments prevented a nation from going nuclear and why are governments continuing to facilitate these nations programs by making payments? Facilitate by taking care of the citizens who are the only ones capable of preventing the pursuit of such programs.
 
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Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:24 pm

Quoting par13del (Reply 15):
One should also bear in mind the political climate / envronment, in recent history Israel governments have struggled to complete a full elected term.

   Quite right, few Israeli governments have ever lasted for the full Monty. That damned proportional representation keeps getting in the way of something like a sensible government. They are always hostage to the whacko fundamentalists.

Quoting par13del (Reply 15):
In history Libya was the only nation who the world claimed was on the path and negotiation got them to drop the program,

South Africa dropped it's nuclear weapons program after some discrete "discussions". And disassembled the weapons they had already made. I believe the uranium involved was fed into reactors under supervision.
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RE: F-22'S With In 200 Miles Of Iran!

Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:03 pm

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 16):
South Africa dropped it's nuclear weapons program after some discrete "discussions". And disassembled the weapons they had already made. I believe the uranium involved was fed into reactors under supervision.

Either I did not know or as I aged I forgot or did not keep up, I did know of Israels close involvement with South Africa on their nuclear program.
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Sun Apr 29, 2012 2:40 pm

Quoting par13del (Reply 17):
Either I did not know or as I aged I forgot or did not keep up, I did know of Israels close involvement with South Africa on their nuclear program.

The Israelis were up to their hips in the SA nuclear program. To the point of conducting an actual test in the South Atlantic in Sept 1979. Floated the weapon off a barge by balloon to minimize fallout. Between Prince Edward & Bouvet Islands.
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Sun Apr 29, 2012 3:24 pm

Isn't this the same aircraft that was stumped by the International date line?  
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Sun Apr 29, 2012 7:25 pm

Quoting par13del (Reply 13):
So what exactly will the F-22 be doing, the US Air Force already fly's over Iran airspace, the F-22 can't lift the bunker busters required to knock out nuke facilities and Iran fighter forces will probably not launch so..........

They might launch if there weren't F-22s. The 22s aren't much of a deterrent if they're not in theater.
 
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Tue May 01, 2012 11:15 am

well as much as they will like to say that this was just part of a scheduled movement.... schedules can be made a day in advance.
Anyone remember those reports of F-117A's airborne again at one of the desert airbases?

enough said  

and about Turkmenistan bases.... unless you would want to provoke a Russian redeployment of flying assets.. that wouln't be a very good idea. Remember the reactions from Russia & China when those Raptors deployed to Kadena.. nobody likes an upset of status quo

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Tue May 01, 2012 12:01 pm

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 4):
Are any of the Shah's Tomcats still airworthy ? I believe there are still Phantoms flying, though.

Connies, a few months back when the thread on airstrikes against Iran came out I spent ages studying available aerial photography of Iran to get a handle on where their airbases were before postulating strikes. I found several (8 or 9 IIRC) F-14's on the ramp and around hardened shelters at Khatami air force base with plenty of shadow marks and engine run up marks indicating that they were at least ground active. The paranoid in me would suggest that the Iranians would have them out there anyway to make sure they were caugth on camera as a 'show of force' but they appear to be operational. The Google earth images are mostly within 5 years so its not inconcievable that they are still flying.

If I can find the post I gave coordinates for any other F-14 heads to have a look.
 
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Tue May 01, 2012 3:03 pm

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 4):
Are any of the Shah's Tomcats still airworthy ? I believe there are still Phantoms flying, though.

Google Isfahan Airport in google maps and go to the north east end of the runway. You'll see pairs of hardened shelters with a few F-14's sitting outside them.
 
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Fri May 11, 2012 10:44 am

Quoting gingersnap (Reply 19):
Isn't this the same aircraft that was stumped by the International date line?

Nothing wrong with the aircraft...that was caused by human error.
 
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RE: F-22'S With In 200 Miles Of Iran!

Fri May 11, 2012 11:08 am

I think the F22 is more capable than many think it is.
 
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Fri May 11, 2012 4:29 pm

Quoting sweair (Reply 25):
I think the F22 is more capable than many think it is.

Agreed. I think the USAF is perfectly happy letting the F-22 sound like a lemon, just as they were just happy letting UFO sightings take credit for SR-71 flights back in the day.
 
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RE: F-22'S With In 200 Miles Of Iran!

Fri May 11, 2012 9:12 pm

Quoting spudh (Reply 23):
Quoting connies4ever (Reply 4):
Are any of the Shah's Tomcats still airworthy ? I believe there are still Phantoms flying, though.

Google Isfahan Airport in google maps and go to the north east end of the runway. You'll see pairs of hardened shelters with a few F-14's sitting outside them.

OK, will do. Thanks for that !   
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