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Easa Grants Initial A400M Type Certificate

Thu May 03, 2012 6:09 pm

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EASA grants initial type certificate to Airbus Military for the A400M

The European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) issued on Thursday 3 May 2012 a so-called restricted type certificate (RTC) for the Airbus A400M aircraft. This first approval was presented by EASA Executive Director Patrick Goudou at an internal ceremony in Toulouse, France.

The RTC is a major milestone towards the award of a full EASA civil type certification which is expected in mid-2012 after a dedicated functioning and reliability flight test campaign will have been completed..

The aircraft certified by EASA is the civil version of the A400M: a four turboprop engine, eight blades propellers, medium range large aeroplane, with a maximum take-off weight of 137,5 Tons and a maximum ferry range of 4700 Nautical miles.

This A400M civil aircraft configuration and EASA certification will be the baseline for a subsequent recommendation for the military version of the A400M aircraft to be certified by the respective Military Airworthiness National Authorities, in accordance with their particular military certification and qualification requirements.

In addition to the aircraft RTC issued today, EASA previously issued the type certificates for the turboprop engine TP400-D6 granted to Europrop International on 6 May 2011 and for the propellers granted to Ratier-Figeac on 22 March 2012.

(Source: http://easa.europa.eu/home.php)
 
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RE: Easa Grants Initial A400M Type Certificate

Thu May 03, 2012 9:41 pm

An important milestone that adds credibility to the program. Having a certified aircraft, even with limitations, is a big deal. Although the real first big milestone will be full civil certification mid-year.

Still a lot of work to be done ahead, but congrats to Airbus on the achievement!
 
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RE: Easa Grants Initial A400M Type Certificate

Thu May 03, 2012 10:55 pm

Just out of curiosity, were they also trying for US / FAA certification?
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RE: Easa Grants Initial A400M Type Certificate

Fri May 04, 2012 2:12 am

Quoting r2rho (Reply 1):
An important milestone that adds credibility to the program. Having a certified aircraft, even with limitations, is a big deal. Although the real first big milestone will be full civil certification mid-year.

See, I thought the real IMPORTANT thing is to have a military air-lifter that can bring troops and equipment to and from a battlefield and not EASA certification! 
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RE: Easa Grants Initial A400M Type Certificate

Fri May 04, 2012 9:54 am

Quoting mffoda (Reply 3):

Part of the A400M requirement from day one was to have it certified to civilian standards, as they are more strict than military equivalents.
 
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RE: Easa Grants Initial A400M Type Certificate

Sat May 05, 2012 8:25 pm

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 2):
Just out of curiosity, were they also trying for US / FAA certification?

No

Quoting mffoda (Reply 3):
See, I thought the real IMPORTANT thing is to have a military air-lifter that can bring troops and equipment to and from a battlefield and not EASA certification!

Correct

Quoting moo (Reply 4):
Part of the A400M requirement from day one was to have it certified to civilian standards, as they are more strict than military equivalents.

Yes, having a civilian certificate was one oif the first requirements. But an EASA certificate is LESS strict than the military certification. It is under the military certification these airplane will operate, if the ever get to the customers. The military cert allows the aircraft to fly outside of civilian standards, such as bank angle, airspeeds, land/TO from unprepared surfaces, air drop troops and cargo, air refueling, defensive equipment, TACAN, military avionics, etc.

Having a civilian cert does allow for civilian parts to be used as replacements. The problem with that is no one outside of the EU and Indonesia are buying it. Only about 170 of them have been sold.
 
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RE: Easa Grants Initial A400M Type Certificate

Sun May 06, 2012 2:34 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 5):
The problem with that is no one outside of the EU and Indonesia are buying it. Only about 170 of them have been sold.

Outside of the EU:
Turkey (10)
Malaysia (4)

(not Indonesia)
Total 174 firm orders.

EASA certification is important because most european air forces are now operating under EASA rules (for example crews now pass an ATPL as well as their military ratings, and maintenance is now carried out to EASA rules).
 
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RE: Easa Grants Initial A400M Type Certificate

Mon May 07, 2012 12:27 am

Doesn't it make sense there will likely be more orders once the airplane is in service and has time to prove itself? It stands to reason that some governments are taking a wait-and-see attitude as surely as some airlines take one when a new model is offered for sale.
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RE: Easa Grants Initial A400M Type Certificate

Mon May 07, 2012 7:24 pm

Quoting mffoda (Reply 3):
I thought the real IMPORTANT thing is to have a military air-lifter that can bring troops and equipment to and from a battlefield and not EASA certification!

That's why I said the first big milestone. Obviously the most important one is the military certification, but having a full EASA certification is useful and opens up some operational capabilities, like using civilian air routes and ATC.

Furthermore, having a certification - any type of certification - is an important milestone per se, as it means your overall design is officially validated, it is no longer just a prototype, and you can tick off a lot of items on your development plan. It is much more than a piece of paper. And it certainly seems important to Airbus, as they did not want to wait for full certification in some months and have applied for a restricted certificate as soon as they could.
 
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RE: Easa Grants Initial A400M Type Certificate

Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:48 am

When are the first production articles supposed to be delivered?

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RE: Easa Grants Initial A400M Type Certificate

Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:28 pm

Quoting ebj1248650 (Reply 7):
Doesn't it make sense there will likely be more orders once the airplane is in service and has time to prove itself? It stands to reason that some governments are taking a wait-and-see attitude as surely as some airlines take one when a new model is offered for sale.

I think from any potential air forces out there who need lift, a) it's not as capable as a C-17, although the cost is comparable, and b) it's too much aircraft for forces that need something along the lines of a C-130J.

I am not certain there will be many more orders, in fact given the situation in the EU now, orders might get cut. But of course I could be wrong.
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RE: Easa Grants Initial A400M Type Certificate

Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:40 pm

Quoting chuchoteur (Reply 6):
Outside of the EU:
Turkey (10)
Malaysia (4)

(not Indonesia)

Only Malaysia is really outside of the EU. Turkey applied for membership back in 1987, and its application was elevated to 'candidate status' in 1999. Turkey was one of the founding member states of the Council of Europe in 1949, and has been an associate member of the EU since 1964, when it was know as EEC ( because of the Ankara Agreement). As I understand it, the EU and Turkey are still in 'full membership negotiations'. Both France and Germany have argued against Turkey's full membership t the EU.

Turkey has the 18th largest economy in the world, according to the IMF 2011 numbers, and the 7th largest economy in Europe. Its economy is more than twice the size of Greece, which is an EU state, and about 12 X the size of Croatia, which applied for EU membership in 2009 and will probibly be allowed as a full member in 2013.

So, Turkey's order for the A-400M is actually part of the larger EU order of 170 airplanes. Turkey is one of the member states that decided to have OCCAR negotiate the order of the A-400Ms from EADS. Turkey (1) and France (3) are currently expecting the A-400M in 2013. No other states are expected to get their first A-400Ms before 2015, and Germany and Spain currently don't have an expected date to get theirs. Germany is still looking for buyers for 13 A-400Ms of the 53 they have on order.
 
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RE: Easa Grants Initial A400M Type Certificate

Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:23 am

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 10):
I think from any potential air forces out there who need lift, a) it's not as capable as a C-17, although the cost is comparable, and b) it's too much aircraft for forces that need something along the lines of a C-130J.

I am not certain there will be many more orders, in fact given the situation in the EU now, orders might get cut. But of course I could be wrong.

However with the C-17 line looking to be breathing its last next year or in 2014, if you need lift larger than a Herc from a western manufacturer, the A400M is looking like the only game in town.

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