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Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:27 am

http://ussenterp.epetitions.net/signatures.php?petition_id=1870

Please sign up.

I also wish to express my disgust at the practice over the last few decades of naming our Navy's finest warships after politicians. I think it is quite indicative of how, as the Federal government has gotten bigger and bigger, the heads of our elected leaders have gotten so big as to think that their names should be immortalized.

Let's bring back the great names of the past - names that denoted great struggle and achievement.
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:00 am

Signed and agreed (I know, monumental, right?)
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:05 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Thread starter):
Let's bring back the great names of the past - names that denoted great struggle and achievement.

I agree with you on this.
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:15 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Thread starter):
my disgust at the practice over the last few decades of naming our Navy's finest warships after politicians.

I understand but don't necessarily like naming ships after Presidents - but that is a relatively established practice.

I abhor the naming of ships after a living person.

The only part of the deal they got right was naming a submarine after President Carter and a carrier after President Bush 41. Those at least had a valid reason (though it should have been after their passing).

But despite all of that - if we are getting a new JFK (CVN-79) then we deserve a new Enterprise - the third carrier - CV-6 was USS Enterprise along with CVAN-65 - and there were at least five previous USS Enterprise US Navy ships dating back to 1775.

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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:15 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Thread starter):
Let's bring back the great names of the past

How 'bout Gambier Bay?
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:19 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Thread starter):
I also wish to express my disgust at the practice over the last few decades of naming our Navy's finest warships after politicians. I think it is quite indicative of how, as the Federal government has gotten bigger and bigger, the heads of our elected leaders have gotten so big as to think that their names should be immortalized.

I guess not big on the naming of CVN-76, the USS Ronald Reagan lol. I like the name, the USS Enterprise to be applied to CVN-80, it is a fine balance in my view between the (78) Gerald R. Ford a rep. and the (79) John F. Kennedy, a dem. It is a great tribute to the worlds first nuclear aircraft carrier, the CVN-65, "Big E", delivered in 1961.
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:20 am

Done.

Quoting Dreadnought (Thread starter):
I also wish to express my disgust at the practice over the last few decades of naming our Navy's finest warships after politicians.

Agreed. There are but a very few politicians that should be honored in this way. And, I can't really think of a living one right now. And, just to add, I find it disturbing that a ship is named for anyone who is still alive...even if the ship is just a keel being laid.
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:33 am

Quoting 2707200X (Reply 5):
I guess not big on the naming of CVN-76, the USS Ronald Reagan lol. I like the name, the USS Enterprise to be applied to CVN-80, it is a fine balance in my view between the (78) Gerald R. Ford a rep. and the (79) John F. Kennedy, a dem. It is a great tribute to the worlds first nuclear aircraft carrier, the CVN-65, "Big E", delivered in 1961.

As much as I admire Reagan, I don't think naming our flagships after politicians is a good idea - or people in general for that matter. I can understand naming one Nimitz - one of the great grand strategists in the use of carriers, and not a politician.

But I would like to see a new series named Lexington, Saratoga, Yorktown, Midway, Bunker Hill, and another with names like Independence, Intrepid, and so forth.

Politicians are supposed to be public servants. Naming our ships for them is like a rich guy naming his yacht after the maid.
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:40 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Thread starter):

I also wish to express my disgust at the practice over the last few decades of naming our Navy's finest warships after politicians. I think it is quite indicative of how, as the Federal government has gotten bigger and bigger, the heads of our elected leaders have gotten so big as to think that their names should be immortalized.

You were doing fine until you started editorializing here given that the practice is hardly something that's become new in the last few decades. The USS Adams (named for John Adams) was laid down in 1797, the year of his inauguration, and placed into commission two years later. USS Franklin (named for Ben, natch) - 1777. The second ship named for John Hancock was commissioned nearly three months before the Declaration of Independence was signed. Martin Van Buren had a vessel named for him that entered service during his presidency. Sam Houston also had a ship named for him while his political career was still active. I'll agree that it seems to be happening a bit more regularly now then than, but it's not something that's just recently happened. Keep in mind to that ultimately it's SECNAV who names the ships, not elected leaders. Keep in mind that famous quote of Admiral Rickover's when the first twelve units of the Los Angeles-class were named for the home cities of the key members of Congress who were responsible for getting the boats approved (overturning the Silent Service's longstanding tradition of having its boats named for denizens of the deep - "Fish don't vote!"

At any rate, personally the names I feel most in need of return to service are:

Ranger
Enterprise
Constellation
South Carolina (hey, what can I say, I'm partial  )
Saratoga
Yorktown
Lexington
Hornet

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 7):
Independence

You've got one already. LCS-2 was commissioned on 1/16/10 and is the lead ship of her class..


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/USS_Independence_LCS-2_at_pierce_%28cropped%29.jpg/800px-USS_Independence_LCS-2_at_pierce_%28cropped%29.jpg

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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:41 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 7):
I don't think naming our flagships after politicians is a good idea - or people in general for that matter.

I'm okay with it, but only posthumously. That goes for politicians - I'd be okay with naming ships after high-ranking or important members of the military after they've retired.

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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:19 am

Agreed, and signed! The unofficial "Flagship" of the US Navy should always be Enterprise.
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:37 am

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 8):

Saratoga
Yorktown
Lexington

I like names after battle location. Maybe new names such as Haditha, Fallujah, Tora Bora or Abbottabad.

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 10):
should always be Enterprise

Why would you want to name an aircraft carrier after a car rental company?
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:34 am

Enterprise, great name for a future carrier. But I think the next one should be named America. Enterprise would be fine for CVN-82 or so. I was a bit surprised that already CVN-79 will be named John F. Kennedy. Not a bad man, but there is still a carrier with that name, even if retired a few years ago. They should have waited until CVN-84 or so to give that name out again.

I also never understood why the latest of the US most prestigious warships are named after recent presidents with less than brilliant office records or almost unknown politicians. Worse even, after a living one who wasnt one of the greatest in the office and the father of one of the worst ever. No problems at all with Nimitz, Washington, Lincoln or Roosevelt. But Bush, Ford, Reagan, come on, those men do not deserve that honour, destroyers or submarines would have been enough for such secondary presidents.
 
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:26 pm

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 12):
Why would you want to name an aircraft carrier after a car rental company?

I know that's tongue in cheek, but the car rental company is named after CV6 U.S.S. Enterprise.
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:32 pm

Quoting na (Reply 13):
But I think the next one should be named America

That's also a name that's been taken again by USS America (LHA-6), which will be the lead ship of her class of amphibious assault ships and is slated to be delivered next year.

[img[http://www.navytimes.com/xml/news/2008/06/navy_america_name_063008w/063008_america_800.JPG>[/img]
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:03 pm

Too bad they didn't preserve CV-6 as a museum. Easily as important as USS Constitution to our naval heritage.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/87/USS_Enterprise_%28CV-6%29_in_Puget_Sound%2C_September_1945.jpg

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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:57 pm

Agreed. We need a new Saratoga, Midway, and definitely a new Enterprise. Honoring the ships and Naval heroes that served before, and by extension their crews and families, is an important naval tradition that improves morale and drives the present day crews to greater achievement and pride in their ships and jobs.

Who really cares to be serving a vessel named Gerald Ford or Jimmy Carter? I know both served in the navy, but who cares? Purely political to name important vessels for them, and the politicians need to stop being so self serving. There seems to be a competition and tit for tat game being played here. Shughart and Gordon get supply ships while Ford and Carter get capital ships? What's that other than ignorant politics.

Heroes, battles and important historical vessels. If they did much for the navy, Nimitz, Reagan (he did get the 600 ship navy going) or Rickover, then there are worthy exceptions...but stop with dishonorable the important and overvaluing people like Stennis, Murtha and others who are there for purely political reasons.
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:00 pm

Let's try this again:

[quote=garnetpalmetto,reply=15]
That's also a name that's been taken again by USS America (LHA-6), which will be the lead ship of her class of amphibious assault ships and is slated to be delivered next year.

http://www.navytimes.com/xml/news/2008/06/navy_america_name_063008w/063008_america_800.JPG
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:32 pm

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 8):
You've got one already. LCS-2 was commissioned on 1/16/10 and is the lead ship of her class..

Woah woah woah... is that a spaceship?
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:02 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 19):
Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 8):
You've got one already. LCS-2 was commissioned on 1/16/10 and is the lead ship of her class..

Woah woah woah... is that a spaceship?

It's a littoral combat ship or something, ask someone in the Navy what that means... oh wait... well I'm on the aviation side  

But for real, yeah it's a strange looking ship. I think they're designed for close to shore operations. That and another ship were competing to be the Navy's littoral combat ship but both one, the other one looks more like a ship:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/US_Navy_090928-N-7241L-232..._%28cropped%29.jpg


Back on subject, we definitely need another Enterprise, that's a given, and I think it will be cool to have modern day battles as the names of some ships in addition to the old classic ones
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:08 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 19):
Woah woah woah... is that a spaceship?

That's a Littoral combat ship - a pretty new concept. It's a combination of assault transport and a frigate, meant for coastal waters and rather stealthy to boot.

By the way, the Independence Class ships scheduled are to be named:

USS Independence (LCS-2)
USS Coronado (LCS-4)
USS Jackson (LCS-6)
USS Montgomery (LCS-8)
USS Gabrielle Giffords (LCS-10)
USS Omaha (LCS-12)

Once again, we are naming a ship after a junior politician who's only claim to fame is that she got shot. Sorry, but if that's all it takes, why don't people like Larry Flynt, Dimebag Darrell, and Notorious B.I.G. get their own ships? Why are politicians considered to be more worthy than them, when people generally feel that politicians are scumbags less trustworthy than used car salesmen, lobbyists, lawyers and just about everyone else?

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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:30 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 20):
why don't people like Larry Flynt, Dimebag Darrell, and Notorious B.I.G. get their own ships?

A.net quote of the week. I couldn't agree more.
 
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:32 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 18):
Woah woah woah... is that a spaceship?

It's a trimaran. Hawaiians figured it out a while ago.
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:32 pm

Quoting garnetpalmetto (Reply 8):
Ranger
Enterprise
Constellation
South Carolina (hey, what can I say, I'm partial &nbsp Wink
Saratoga
Yorktown
Lexington
Hornet

I think that the naming convention on aircraft carriers ought to be relevant to the Revolutionary War or to the earliest ships of the US Navy, as there have been carriers in the past whose names have a connection to the Revolutionary War or the early ships of the US Navy. There's already a Nimitz-class carrier the USS George Washington. Names like the USS Enterprise, the USS Constellation, the USS Saratoga, the USS Hornet and the USS Yorktown would be better than more contemporary names. What about a USS President, a USS Congress, and a USS United States names that graced three of the first six ships of the US Navy (The USS Constitution was one of those ships, along with the USS Chesapeake and the USS Constellation.)?
 
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:54 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 20):
USS Gabrielle Giffords (LCS-10

That's just pathetic.
 
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Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:04 pm

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 24):
That's just pathetic.

     

I just laughed out loud. Absolutely ridiculous...   
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:36 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 20):
Sorry, but if that's all it takes, why don't people like Larry Flynt, Dimebag Darrell, and Notorious B.I.G. get their own ships?

     

USS Larry Flynt? I like it. Superfly would LOVE it.   But what class would it have to be?

USS Notorious B.I.G. would have to be an aircraft carrier.

  
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Fri Jun 15, 2012 7:39 pm

Quoting MD-90 (Reply 24):
That's just pathetic.

I wouldn't call it pathetic, I'd call it inappropriate.
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:09 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 26):
USS Larry Flynt? I like it. Superfly would LOVE it.   But what class would it have to be?

The "Hustler" Class    Make it some sort of spy ship that gets put on operations that are barely legal........

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 20):
USS Gabrielle Giffords (LCS-10)

If you're going to name a ship after a politician, at least name it after one that has some connection to the US Navy beyond their husband. At least with some other controversial ship names like the USS Cesar Chavez and the USS John P. Murtha, Chavez served in the Navy and Murtha was in the Marines (Mostly in the reserves and retired as a Colonel.).

There are ships like the USS John C. Stennis and USS Carl Vinson, named after politicians who played major roles in the history of the US Navy (Vinson helped create the acts prior to WWII that build the Navy up and that helped the US in WWII. Stennis is considered to be the "Father of the Modern Navy".). Both Senator Stennis and Representative Vinson were worthy of having ships named in their honor.
 
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:13 pm

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 26):
USS Larry Flynt? I like it. Superfly would LOVE it.   But what class would it have to be?

You have to ask?......LOW CLASS!!!

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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:16 pm

Quoting srbmod (Reply 28):
The "Hustler" Class Make it some sort of spy ship that gets put on operations that are barely legal........

Outstanding.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 28):
Both Senator Stennis and Representative Vinson were worthy of having ships named in their honor.

Carriers? Capital Ships? I'm not sure.
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:48 pm

Quoting fr8mech (Reply 30):
Carriers? Capital Ships? I'm not sure.

Prior to / during WW2 they would have rated a Destroyer or Destroyer Escort at best!

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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:03 pm

I agree that they deserved ships...but those names led the way to further politicization of the naming of capital ships (in today's navy those are nuclear vessels, carrier and submarine) and a bastardization of the existing process...to the detriment of morale and well being of the Navy.

Everyone would be proud to serve on a vessel named after a great battle, or a known hero (you do know that the sailors onboard the Monsoor are going to consider what they have to live up to, right?) ...or even a state or capitol....but putting these men up with the founding fathers or the savior of the union (and like him or not Lincoln was certainly that... Ad who reallydiskikes Lincoln?) is pure politics and favor paying. It started a naming contest between parties.

Let the Navy get back to its traditions and tend to the morale of its sailors.
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:59 pm

What about the USS Winston S. Churchill (DDG-81)?
Ok, his mother was American (but AFAIK became British citizen as it was compulsory back then when she married her British husband) and he HAD a connection with the navy, albeit the Royal one (during WW1 he was First Lord of the Admiralty, but resigned, and went to command an infantry battalion in the trenches of the Western Front, after the Gallipoli debacle).

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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:51 am

Quoting SmittyOne (Reply 31):
Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 33):

What about the USS Winston S. Churchill (DDG-81)?
Ok, his mother was American (but AFAIK became British citizen as it was compulsory back then when she married her British husband) and he HAD a connection with the navy, albeit the Royal one (during WW1 he was First Lord of the Admiralty, but resigned, and went to command an infantry battalion in the trenches of the Western Front, after the Gallipoli debacle).

Jan

Jan, I think your average sailor can understand the significance of Sir Winston Churchill in American/world history. Plus by the time they named the ship he'd been dead a long time!
 
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Sat Jun 16, 2012 6:54 am

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 33):
What about the USS Winston S. Churchill (DDG-81)?

I think the average sailor would be pretty happy serving on a ship named after Churchill, Winston had guts, he was a soldier and a great leader.
 
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Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:58 am

I´ve got nothing against Churchill, quite the opposite! He is my favourite 20th century politician. He has made mistakes, but he was one of the VERY few politicians who did not just talk the talk but also did walk the walk. After all he was no stranger to physical danger.

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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Sat Jun 16, 2012 2:55 pm

Quoting dl021 (Reply 32):
Ad who reallydiskikes Lincoln?

Vampires, apparently.

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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:23 am

Quoting Dreadnought (Thread starter):
I also wish to express my disgust at the practice over the last few decades of naming our Navy's finest warships after politicians.

I agree, with morden politicians, but I glad that CVN 79, will be name the USS John F Kennady.


PS: If CVN 80 is name The USS Enterprise, then the Ford class, will be a lot cooler than the Nimitz class.
 
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:24 pm

Quoting 747400sp (Reply 38):

I agree, with morden politicians, but I glad that CVN 79, will be name the USS John F Kennady.

Why? His most notable actions were starting the Vietnam War, Starting the Apollo project, bedding Marilyn Monroe, and being shot. Apollo was pretty cool, but we aren't exactly talking about George Washington level here.
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:35 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 39):
Why? His most notable actions were starting the Vietnam War, Starting the Apollo project, bedding Marilyn Monroe, and being shot. Apollo was pretty cool, but we aren't exactly talking about George Washington level here.

From what I've read his actions in the aftermath of the PT-109 sinking were pretty heroic. Perhaps not 'capital ship' worthy, but in contrast to most other modern presidents he certainly stands out. I feel the same way about George H.W. Bush.

Quoting Mir (Reply 37):
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:27 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 33):

He was made an Honorary Citizen in '60s and with his American blood, as it were, not to mention being America's closest Allied leader during WWII, I think it's appropriate.
 
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:30 pm

Quoting dl021 (Reply 16):
Shughart and Gordon get supply ships while Ford and Carter get capital ships? What's that other than ignorant politics.

Good point---MOH winners should be recognized with namings.

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 20):
USS Gabrielle Giffords (LCS-10)

You're kidding....totally inappropriate and ridiculous honor. She ought to voluntarily deny the naming if she had integrity about it, IMHO.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 28):
USS John P. Murtha, Chavez served in the Navy and Murtha was in the Marines (Mostly in the reserves and retired as a Colonel.).

Murtha also backstabbed the military and isn't deserving of having a garbage scow named for him, IMHO.
 
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:40 pm

Quoting slider (Reply 42):
Good point---MOH winners should be recognized with namings.

They can name frigates and cruisers after them, but the Capital Ships should be reserved for something special and enduring.

As someone mentioned above, every single person aboard the ship should be proud of its namesake, be it the name of a battle or a value (Enterprise, Independence). If it's named after a politician, in guarantees that half the crew thinks the ship is named after an ass.
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:17 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 39):
Why? His most notable actions were starting the Vietnam War,



I think that tag belongs to LBJ. Eisenhower was the one who initially sent advisers to South Vietnam. When JFK was assassinated there were around 16000 US troops there. Two years latter there were almost 200K and Johnson had radically escalated the war.
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:02 am

I think we need to name it the USS "not sure why this post is in the aviation section of this forum" ?
 
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Sat Jun 23, 2012 8:18 am

How about the USS FunnyMoney? How can we spend $40B+ developing the Ford class carrier to replace the Nimitz class, when for that price we could have just bought 5 more Nimitz class carriers? Ford class doesn't do anything the Nimitz for all practical purposes cannot.

LHA-6 America is a complete 2nd class of light carrier for the Navy, too. If you take the amphibious well deck out of an amphibious assault ship, all you have left is a modern WWII straight deck carrier. Smooth move. Next thing you know we'll fly $70m+engines V-22 and $125m F-35B's off it, it'll be the most expensive ship to go in the first day of any engagement with an even half-way decent opposing Navy.
 
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:09 pm

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 46):
How about the USS FunnyMoney? How can we spend $40B+ developing the Ford class carrier to replace the Nimitz class, when for that price we could have just bought 5 more Nimitz class carriers? Ford class doesn't do anything the Nimitz for all practical purposes cannot.

The estimates are thet they've spent about $5B in R&D and the Ford will cost ~$9B on top of that to build. Presumably the follow-on ships will be in a similar ballpark. So the unit cost is not all that different from the Nimitz's, but they've revamped almost all the systems, from the reactors to the catapults, and considerably increased automation (the Fords will require 1,000 fewer crew).
 
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:08 pm

The argument is that the Ford class carrier will save money over a 50 year period with some of it's new efficiencies and less required manpower. This is a helluva big guesstimate at best. The fact of the matter is with modern cruise missiles, we would rather benefit from more Nimitz and than any new Ford class carriers in any naval engagement.

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The Navy estimates that each Ford-class carrier will cost $27 billion to build and then operate and maintain for 50 years, $5 billion less than its Nimitz-class predecessors, even after the rising costs.
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The combined cost of three Ford-class carriers would be $42.5 billion, according to the Pentagon’s Selected Acquisition Report published in December.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...on-carriers-in-china-s-sights.html
 
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RE: Petition To Name CVN-80 The USS Enterprise

Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:31 pm

Would love to see a new carrier named Yorktown, in honor of the carrier and crew who served so gallantly in the Pacific during WWII.
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