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Two RAF Tornadoes Down In The Moray Firth

Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:11 pm

Just reported, two RAF Tornadoes have crashed after a midair collision off the Moray Firth, no news on the crew as yet although SAR has been alerted and is on its way.

Confirmed as GR4s from Lossiemouth.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-18692532

[Edited 2012-07-03 07:16:11]
 
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RE: Two RAF Tornadoes Down In The Moray Firth

Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:34 pm

hmmm.... I just posted about this on the Rafale crash thread about the same time you were posting your own thread on this new crash.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-18692532

Why all these fighter jet crashes? This is not a good time for fighter jets.
Let's hope they will recoop the crews for the two aircrafts.

         
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RE: Two RAF Tornadoes Down In The Moray Firth

Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:55 pm

Two crew members have been rescued.
 
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RE: Two RAF Tornadoes Down In The Moray Firth

Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:14 pm

Quoting moo (Reply 2):
Two crew members have been rescued.

I suppose it was one crew per aircraft.

Are the two Tornados going to be write-offs the same as the latest crashed Rafale?

How do they insure fighter jets? Any idea?
(if at all)

            
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RE: Two RAF Tornadoes Down In The Moray Firth

Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:17 pm

Quoting moo (Thread starter):
have crashed after a midair collision

Nothing confirming midair collision yet, just that two aircraft are involved. Obviously a likely scenario given two are involved.
 
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RE: Two RAF Tornadoes Down In The Moray Firth

Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:31 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):
I suppose it was one crew per aircraft.



2 crew members per jet.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):
Are the two Tornados going to be write-offs the same as the latest crashed Rafale?



I think they went into the sea (as far as I can tell) so pretty much a write off.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):
How do they insure fighter jets? Any idea?



As far as I know they aren't insured at all, I think the MOD basically insures itself, the size of the organisation and danger that they are under means that its basically going to be a wash (paying premiums Vs just paying off things that will inevitably get broken). Plus I think there are things that insurace companies won't insure.

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RE: Two RAF Tornadoes Down In The Moray Firth

Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:32 pm

Quoting Bthebest (Reply 4):
Nothing confirming midair collision yet, just that two aircraft are involved. Obviously a likely scenario given two are involved.

That was what was being reported over the radio to the SAR teams.

http://www.airwavesireland.com/index...rine-vhf-streams/kinloss-rescue-hf

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):
Are the two Tornados going to be write-offs the same as the latest crashed Rafale?

Yes, sea water after a high energy impact does not make for a usable airframe.

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):
How do they insure fighter jets? Any idea?

They don't, they write them down against the maintenance budget.
 
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RE: Two RAF Tornadoes Down In The Moray Firth

Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:37 pm

Quoting flipdewaf (Reply 5):
2 crew members per jet.

If only 2 out of 4 were rescued I hope they will find and recoop the two missing crew.

   
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RE: Two RAF Tornadoes Down In The Moray Firth

Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:16 pm

I just see that 3 have died in the RAF two Tornado crash!

How unfortunate!

 

Tornado crash: three airmen dead as defence cuts blamed for 'tired' pilots
A midair collision between two RAF Tornados claimed the lives of three airmen, the RAF confirmed, amid allegations that air force pilots are "too tired" to fly because of defence cuts.

A pilot and navigator from one of the £40 million jets are missing presumed dead following the crash over the Moray Firth, and an airman who was flown to hospital after the incident died from his injuries.

The fourth serviceman involved in the collision on Tuesday afternoon is in a serious but stable condition at Raigmore Hospital in Inverness.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-cuts-blamed-for-tired-pilots.html

RIP crash victims

 
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RE: Two RAF Tornadoes Down In The Moray Firth

Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:18 pm

one of the rescued airmen died at the hospital and there is no longer any hope of
finding the other two alive according to the telegrapgh:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-cuts-blamed-for-tired-pilots.html

edit Madame C just posted the same thing.

[Edited 2012-07-04 10:19:58]
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