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Rafales Or Typhoons Over San Antonio, TX

Tue Jul 03, 2012 6:02 pm

Two of my friends saw what appeared to be a tanker and four jet fighters flying over our building in San Antonio around noon or so today. Both said the fighters appeared to be delta wing aircraft and were certain the planes weren't F-16 or some other American designed airplanes. Can anyone in San Antonio who might have seen this formation clarify what types of airplanes they were?
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RE: Rafales Or Typhoons Over San Antonio, TX

Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:09 am

Probably German Typhoons finishing up with Red Flag. I think I read Germany sent 6 Typhoons this year.
 
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RE: Rafales Or Typhoons Over San Antonio, TX

Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:39 am

Quoting Oroka (Reply 1):
Probably German Typhoons finishing up with Red Flag. I think I read Germany sent 6 Typhoons this year.

Red Flag was in June and in Alaska.

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Red Flag, which lasted from 11th until June 22nd, provided an opportunity for the participating nations to gain invaluable experience in tactical missions, collective defence and conflict management. Fighter Wing JG 74 took part in the exercise in readiness for its assignment to the NATO reaction force this year, assuring the unit has the right level of interoperability and capabilities for such a role.

Marc Grüne, Lt. Col. of Fighter Wing 74, said: “The German Air Force’s decision to take part in exercise Red Flag - Alaska offered a great opportunity for Fighter Wing 74 to train, test and improve personal skills and aircraft capabilities. We wanted to see if the Eurofighter is capable of everything we think it is. And the aircraft is definitely capable.
http://www.eurofighter.com/media/new...hoons-in-red-flag-alaska-2012.html
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RE: Rafales Or Typhoons Over San Antonio, TX

Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:29 am

When Us shifts its focus from Europe to south east Asia there will be a vacuum around EU for a while, are Europeans up to the task? As it seems the Libya campaign shortage of weapons and resources were apparent after just 11 weeks, the Us had to step up and resupply the European members.

I think we have lived under the Us umbrella for too long and are not used to taking the full responsibility and around EU. With the recent defence cuts in EU, things will only get harder for us to fill that role.
 
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RE: Rafales Or Typhoons Over San Antonio, TX

Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:59 am

Too early for these perhaps?

http://www.nellis.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123306215

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Red Flag 12-4 to be held July 16-27

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In addition to U.S. aircraft, the United Arab Emirates, flying F-16s, and the Air Force of the Republic of Colombia, flying KFIRs, will participate.

 
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RE: Rafales Or Typhoons Over San Antonio, TX

Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:29 pm

Quoting TGIF (Reply 4):
Too early for these perhaps?

Probably not too early. They could have stopped/flown over San Antonio on their way to Davis Monthan for a couple weeks of workups prior to going to Nellis for Red Flag.

http://davismonthan.tucsonnewsnow.co...week-operation-snowbird-facilities

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RE: Rafales Or Typhoons Over San Antonio, TX

Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:54 pm

Quoting sweair (Reply 3):
When Us shifts its focus from Europe to south east Asia there will be a vacuum around EU for a while, are Europeans up to the task? As it seems the Libya campaign shortage of weapons and resources were apparent after just 11 weeks, the Us had to step up and resupply the European members.

I suspect some European Air forces, certainly the RAF and the French, would answer 'speak for yourselves' on that.
While some smaller AF's did run short of munitions, the RAF did not, while production of the Brimstone weapon was stepped up to meet demand, which it did sucessfully - but that is made in the UK, not the US. Note also the RAF also deploy this weapon in Afghanistan. There were no reported shortages of Storm Shadow or of LGB's either.
Nor of the French ASSM, their version of the Storm Shadow and their other systems.

As for the others, better a smaller AF makes the effort in the first place and runs short of weapons as a result, than does nothing at all, unlike some other rather larger AF's from larger European nations, they know who they are.

The issue therefore, which you rightly raise, is perhaps not whether European AF's are up to the task - one agreed by the UN in the case of Libya - but why some NATO European AF's usually shoulder all the burden compared to others on the continent. This is a political rather than a military issue.
 
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RE: Rafales Or Typhoons Over San Antonio, TX

Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:59 pm

Quoting GDB (Reply 6):
I suspect some European Air forces, certainly the RAF and the French, would answer 'speak for yourselves' on that.
While some smaller AF's did run short of munitions, the RAF did not, while production of the Brimstone weapon was stepped up to meet demand, which it did sucessfully - but that is made in the UK, not the US. Note also the RAF also deploy this weapon in Afghanistan. There were no reported shortages of Storm Shadow or of LGB's either.
Nor of the French ASSM, their version of the Storm Shadow and their other systems.

As for the others, better a smaller AF makes the effort in the first place and runs short of weapons as a result, than does nothing at all, unlike some other rather larger AF's from larger European nations, they know who they are.

The issue therefore, which you rightly raise, is perhaps not whether European AF's are up to the task - one agreed by the UN in the case of Libya - but why some NATO European AF's usually shoulder all the burden compared to others on the continent. This is a political rather than a military issue.

  

As for shortages, it is right that UK and France were rather short of UAVs and then US had to come to Libya with some Predators-like drones. But otherwise, both countries had enough weanpons to procede with these operations until the end of the war.
 
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RE: Rafales Or Typhoons Over San Antonio, TX

Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:08 pm

Quoting autothrust (Reply 2):

Red Flag was in June and in Alaska.

Red Flag and Red Flag-Alaska are two different exercises.
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RE: Rafales Or Typhoons Over San Antonio, TX

Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:36 pm

Can't wait for the black helicopter crowd to get a hold of this.  
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RE: Rafales Or Typhoons Over San Antonio, TX

Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:37 pm

Quoting Tancrede (Reply 7):
As for shortages, it is right that UK and France were rather short of UAVs and then US had to come to Libya with some Predators-like drones. But otherwise, both countries had enough weanpons to procede with these operations until the end of the war.

True, with drones, at the moment, they are token assets.
Presumably the Anglo-French effort to develop UCAV's recognises that.

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