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C17 Lands At Wrong TPA Airport

Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:40 pm

http://www2.tbo.com/news/news/2012/j...lands-at-davis-islands--ar-437276/

Oops! According to Airnav, Runway 22 at TPF is just under 3600 ft. It was apparently going to Macdill AFB nearby.
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RE: C17 Lands At Wrong TPA Airport

Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:02 pm

Yikes. I try not to do too much armchair quarterbacking, but I'm not sure how you can mistake a 3600 X 100 runway for a 11,400 X 150 runway. Not to mention the size of the surrounding airport. Looking at a sectional, it looks like the runway at TPF lines up perfectly with the runway at MCF. Just about 5 1/2 miles to the northeast.
 
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RE: C17 Lands At Wrong TPA Airport

Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:13 pm

Wow thats bizarre. Didn't they have the airport plugged into the FMS?
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RE: C17 Lands At Wrong TPA Airport

Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:31 pm

It sounds bizarre, but it could easily happen to anyone flying to an area with which they aren't familiar. Maybe that crew isn't based at MacDill and had never been there before, and were thus unfamiliar with the area? Not sure. It probably didn't help that both airports have runways with the same configuration (4/22).
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RE: C17 Lands At Wrong TPA Airport

Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:34 pm

Here's video of the landing: http://yfrog.com/mk7ekz
 
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RE: C17 Lands At Wrong TPA Airport

Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:38 pm

Quoting MikeCT (Reply 1):
Yikes. I try not to do too much armchair quarterbacking, but I'm not sure how you can mistake a 3600 X 100 runway for a 11,400 X 150 runway.

How does a plane land at the wrong airport? Didn't an F9 or some other airline land at an AFB once instead of a commercial airport?

Also- can a C17 land on a 3,000ft runway safely?   
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RE: C17 Lands At Wrong TPA Airport

Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:39 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
Also- can a C17 land on a 3,000ft runway safely?   

Apparently it can  

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RE: C17 Lands At Wrong TPA Airport

Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:40 pm

It's happend plenty of times. I recall a number of such incidents back in the 1980's involving commercial airliners landing at Macdill!

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RE: C17 Lands At Wrong TPA Airport

Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:40 pm

There's not much that isn't on video these days.

It's pretty incredible how quickly they stopped the thing. I'm sure they briefed for a 11,000+ foot runway. If they noticed, even if on short final, the discrepancy, it's curious that they continued the landing.

I also noticed that TPF is currently NOTAM'ed closed. The picture in the link from the OP shows them not near the second runway. I wonder why they closed both.
 
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RE: C17 Lands At Wrong TPA Airport

Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:42 pm

Hey, they were just practicing their short field landing techniques.
 
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RE: C17 Lands At Wrong TPA Airport

Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:43 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
Didn't an F9 or some other airline land at an AFB once instead of a commercial airport?

I would think the size and layout would at least be similar. The differences between these two airports, besides the runway alignment, are many.
 
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RE: C17 Lands At Wrong TPA Airport

Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:45 pm

The fiance of my wife's friend flies C-17s and he told me once he nearly landed on a POW compound in Iraq once by mistake. If some alert Marine in a guard tower didn't turn on a searchlight his plane would have been wrapped in barbed wire.

This does not surprise me.

edit: did it take off from the same airport?

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RE: C17 Lands At Wrong TPA Airport

Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:49 pm

Quoting MikeCT (Reply 8):
I also noticed that TPF is currently NOTAM'ed closed. The picture in the link from the OP shows them not near the second runway. I wonder why they closed both.

I believe the airport will remain closed until the aircraft is removed. I also wonder if the runway asphalt was damaged. If the two runways intersect, that would compromise the portion of the other runway at the intersection.
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RE: C17 Lands At Wrong TPA Airport

Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:50 pm

Quoting Mainliner (Reply 12):
I believe the airport will remain closed until the aircraft is removed. I also wonder if the runway asphalt was damaged. If the two runways intersect, that would compromise the portion of the other runway at the intersection.

HOW are they gonna remove it? If you saw the video you saw the guy filming was quite concerned about that.
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RE: C17 Lands At Wrong TPA Airport

Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:00 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 13):
HOW are they gonna remove it?

Fly it off. The C17 is designed to operate from short runways. Thats the video I would like to see!
 
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RE: C17 Lands At Wrong TPA Airport

Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:01 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 13):
HOW are they gonna remove it?

Well I can think of 3 options:
1. If the runway is long enough for a lightly loaded C-17 to take off.
2. Take the wings off and put her on a truck.
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RE: C17 Lands At Wrong TPA Airport

Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:18 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
Also- can a C17 land on a 3,000ft runway safely?
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 13):
HOW are they gonna remove it?

The photo below is Altus AFB - the C-17 training base. The center runway by the yellow line is the 3,500 ft assualt strip. C-17 pilots have to land and takeoff from that strip several times before they complete their training. The C-17 is designed to takeoff and land on short runways. Of course it has to be loaded at less than MLW/ MTOW - but it can do it.

The only question is can the runway surface support the weight of the C-17 for takeoff.



Quoting MikeCT (Reply 1):
but I'm not sure how you can mistake a 3600 X 100 runway for a 11,400 X 150 runway. Not to mention the size of the surrounding airport.
Quoting rjm777ual (Reply 2):
Didn't they have the airport plugged into the FMS?
Quoting Mainliner (Reply 3):
but it could easily happen to anyone flying to an area with which they aren't familiar
Quoting ImperialEagle (Reply 7):
It's happend plenty of times

A pilot makes that mistake because visibility is poor and the intended landing airport isn't visible. He sees a runway and assumes that he is high, and puts down short. That is how the Northwest aircraft landed at Ellsworth AFB rather than Rapid City (RAP)

If the C-17 pilot could not see McDill - it could happen. It shouldn't - but as noted above - it has happened in the past.

I realize the video shows what looks like pretty good visibility - but it doesn't show if there was a haze on the water at the time.

Another complication for landing at McDill - not only is TPF about five miles short of Rwy 22 at McDill, but SPG is seven or so miles long of Rwy 22 at McDill - for a new to the area pilot - the line-up of three airports with runways almost aligned could be very confusing.

 
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RE: C17 Lands At Wrong TPA Airport

Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:19 pm

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 14):

They could have an issue flying it off if the runway can't handle it's weight, as Mainliner pointed out.
 
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RE: C17 Lands At Wrong TPA Airport

Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:25 pm

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 5):
Also- can a C17 land on a 3,000ft runway safely?

Yes, where I am (Joint Base MDL) there is a 3,500 x 100 C-17 assault strip used by C-17s from MDL, Dover and all over the Northeast for austere field training.
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Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:27 pm

I just looked and the C-17 is indeed from MDL, so they have plenty of experience on 3,500ft runways.
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RE: C17 Lands At Wrong TPA Airport

Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:31 pm

Quoting MikeCT (Reply 17):
if the runway can't handle it's weight,

AirNav shows the runway is constructed for 20,000 lbs single wheel aircraft.

Also from the TPF page on AirNav

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- BE ALERT: MACDILL AFB LCTD 4 MILES SW.

From the McDill page on AirNav

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CAUTION: ON INST APCH TO MACDILL AFB RY 22, USE CAUTION DUR OVFT OF PETER O. KNIGHT ARPT DUE TO LGT ACFT TFC BLW APCH LEG 4 AND Mount Cook Airlines (New Zealand)">NM NE.

CAUTION: COMMERCIAL ACFT CROSS APCH TO MACDILL AFB ENROUTE TO TAMPA INTL ARPT AT AND ABV 2100 FT. ON INST APCH TO RY 04, USE CAUTION DUR OVFT OF ALBERT WHITTED ARPT DUE TO LGT TFC BLW APCH LEG 6 N-M SW. MAINT RY AND TWY CNTRLINE WHEN EXITING RY.

CAUTION: UNCTL VFR TFC IN VCNTY OF KMCF BLW 1200'. OFFL WX OBSN PT IS E-SE. OBSN MAY NOT ALWAYS BE REP OF COND OVER THE RY OR AT EITHER APCH END

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RE: C17 Lands At Wrong TPA Airport

Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:46 pm

What do they say...never criticise a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes.

There are numerous examples of aircraft landing at the wrong airport...here in Northern Ireland we've had a Ryanair flight land at Ballykelly (disused) instead of Eglinton, and a Loganair land at Langford Lodge instead of Belfast International. So it's not beyond experienced professional airmen to make a simple mistake. Seems that despite the electronics on the flight deck, the Mk 1 eyeball can still convince the brain that your aircraft isn't where the electronics say it is!
 
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Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:54 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 18):
Yes, where I am (Joint Base MDL) there is a 3,500 x 100 C-17 assault strip used by C-17s from MDL, Dover and all over the Northeast for austere field training.

I see, I wonder how heavy it was.
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RE: C17 Lands At Wrong TPA Airport

Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:37 am

It just departed safely. My brother was there and said that police had the road at one end of the runway closed and the Coast Guard had the water at the other end blocked off.


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RE: C17 Lands At Wrong TPA Airport

Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:06 am

Nobody has yet mentioned that it was coming from Southeast Asia, flown by guys from McGuire. Who knows how long they had been awake. Fatigue could have been a factor.

Just looked at the arrival video. Unimpressive airmanship getting into that situation. Very impressive airmanship getting it stopped on that runway in time. Fast reactions saved a lot of lives.

Looking at the departure video, smooth as silk. I'm betting the crew that brought her in was sitting in a room somewhere being interrogated while senior Central Command brass hand-picked the crew to take her out, well aware of the scrutiny the maneuver would receive. Those guys made it look easy.

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RE: C17 Lands At Wrong TPA Airport

Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:30 am

Here's video I found on YouTube of it taking off this evening.

My dad and I have taken off from that airport a few times in a Huey about 10 years ago. I couldn't imagine seeing a C-17 in there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6g91O-jaT4
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RE: C17 Lands At Wrong TPA Airport

Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:18 am

Local news is reporting that soon after it landed there was a "rushed police escort" of either people or cargo or both. Anyone have any info on that?

Watching the take off video, looks like she had about a 20 second take off roll and had a few hundred feet to spare.
 
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RE: C17 Lands At Wrong TPA Airport

Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:04 am

Quoting n92r03 (Reply 26):
Local news is reporting that soon after it landed there was a "rushed police escort" of either people or cargo or both. Anyone have any info on that?

One source has General Mattis of the US Central Command on board when it landed.  
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RE: C17 Lands At Wrong TPA Airport

Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:32 am

Quoting eksath (Reply 27):
One source has General Mattis of the US Central Command on board when it landed.  

Doh! If people thought those pilots were in the hot seat before.. if this is true, can you imagine the repercussions?
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Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:27 am

Quoting n92r03 (Reply 26):
Local news is reporting that soon after it landed there was a "rushed police escort" of either people or cargo or both. Anyone have any info on that?

Watching the take off video, looks like she had about a 20 second take off roll and had a few hundred feet to spare.

And she started her roll from beyond the piano keys and spooled up with brakes on.. clearly they were erring on the side of caution here as they probably still had 1000ft of runway, 5 seconds of tarmac, left when they got airborne (abeam of second taxiway).

Whats the decision speed on a runway as short as this or are you just committed to going once you release the brakes?
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RE: C17 Lands At Wrong TPA Airport

Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:22 am

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 29):
Whats the decision speed on a runway as short as this or are you just committed to going once you release the brakes?

I'm thinking the normal rules were ignored and the USAF wanted that bird out of there before more media attention had the time and chance to participate in its going. I can't imagine it had enough runway available for a rejected takeoff at V1. I'm just glad it worked out okay.
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RE: C17 Lands At Wrong TPA Airport

Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:32 am

Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 30):
I'm thinking the normal rules were ignored and the USAF wanted that bird out of there before more media attention had the time and chance to participate in its going. I can't imagine it had enough runway available for a rejected takeoff at V1. I'm just glad it worked out okay.

I doubt it was all that "sporty" of a takeoff. Don't forget they only need enough fuel to make 5 miles + a couple of go arounds worth.
 
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Sat Jul 21, 2012 7:39 am

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 31):
I doubt it was all that "sporty" of a takeoff. Don't forget they only need enough fuel to make 5 miles + a couple of go arounds worth.

What I meant was this.. do you think the C-17 could get up to V1 or even Vr speed, have a problem, and be able to stop if needed? I don't think there was enough runway for that. It was either going or not imo.
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Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:12 am

Quoting HaveBlue (Reply 32):

What I meant was this.. do you think the C-17 could get up to V1 or even Vr speed, have a problem, and be able to stop if needed? I don't think there was enough runway for that. It was either going or not imo.

Yup, I doubt you could decelerate a 140 tonne C-17 from 120 Knots to zero in 1000 feet
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Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:18 am

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 33):
Yup, I doubt you could decelerate a 140 tonne C-17 from 120 Knots to zero in 1000 feet

My thoughts exactly, thank you.
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RE: C17 Lands At Wrong TPA Airport

Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:21 am

Video of the landing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaqVan6vnIs

Raw video of the take off taken from hjelicopter overhead:

http://www2.tbo.com/news/news/2012/j...lands-at-davis-islands--ar-437276/

[Edited 2012-07-21 04:28:53]
 
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Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:21 pm

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 33):
What I meant was this.. do you think the C-17 could get up to V1 or even Vr speed, have a problem, and be able to stop if needed? I don't think there was enough runway for that. It was either going or not imo.

Yup, I doubt you could decelerate a 140 tonne C-17 from 120 Knots to zero in 1000 feet

You could, quite easily. I've done it many times.

You can't think of a C-17 the way you think of a conventional large commercial aircraft. It can safely and routinely pull 3 Gs, you can slam it down on a 90 ft wide runway and it will stop on a dime. Its a tough airplane with amazing brakes.

This takeoff, in terms of performance, was fairly routine.

I feel bad for the crew but they really messed up this one. I can understand accidentally lining up on the wrong airport, but they should have picked up on the error long before touchdown. The good thing is that despite the high level of error, no metal was bent and nobody was hurt. I hope the crew can salvage their careers.
 
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Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:57 pm

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 33):
Yup, I doubt you could decelerate a 140 tonne C-17 from 120 Knots to zero in 1000 feet

This is a combat assault transport designed to get into and out of short dangerous airfields quickly. The C-17 is not a C-5 or C-141 equivalent.

Early in the C-17 design criteria - it was planned to replace the C-130 for combat landings. The initial requirements called for a STOL aircraft. The current C-17 design isn't quite a STOL, but it is danged close. The design field length is 3,500 ft, which includes a near V-1 abort and stop.

Add reverse thrust and you could almost fly the thing backwards - just kidding.

Remember the C-17 flight used to deliver Keiko the Orca to Iceland for release to the wild? The reason a C-17 was used was not because other aircraft could not carry the whale. It was because the runway was 3,800 feet long.

[Edited 2012-07-21 08:01:17]
 
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Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:15 pm

Quoting cargotanker (Reply 36):
You could, quite easily. I've done it many times.

Ok, fair enough

Quoting cargotanker (Reply 36):
I feel bad for the crew but they really messed up this one.

They also messed up while carrying a four star who happens to be the commander of CENTCOM.. home, his pot roast was probaly overdone and the ice had melted in his bourbon.

Not to mention the Air force embarrassing itself in front of the USMC thing. Career. Done.
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Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:55 pm

Quoting MikeCT (Reply 1):
Looking at a sectional, it looks like the runway at TPF lines up perfectly with the runway at MCF. Just about 5 1/2 miles to the northeast.

Yes, I've noticed that flying over the area?

Quoting aztrainer (Reply 9):
Hey, they were just practicing their short field landing techniques.

Just like those two Navy pilots who decided to dunk their helos into Lake Tahoe?

It didn't end well for them, the two instructor pilots lost flying status permanently (= career over), the two student pilots got to repeat 6 months of training under the theory that the earlier training didn't sink in.

Quoting XT6Wagon (Reply 31):
Don't forget they only need enough fuel to make 5 miles + a couple of go arounds worth.

Yes, presuming the original crew wasn't on board. If it was, chances are they needed enough fuel to hit a tanker so they could be flown to their new job, weather duty at Thule AFB:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Aerial_Picture_Of_Thule_Air_Base.jpg
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Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:59 pm

In case it's not too clear where Thule is, it's in Northern Greenland:



I bet they get plenty of time to enjoy the natural beauty:

Quote:

Thule Air Base is the U.S. Armed Forces' northernmost installation, located 750 miles north of the Arctic Circle. Thule's arctic environment offers some of the most spectacular scenery found anywhere in the world, including majestic icebergs in the North Star Bay, the massive polar ice cap, and Wolstenholme Fjord — the only place on earth where three active glaciers join together.

If they don't get weather duty, they could be assigned to looking out for incoming ICBMs...

Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_Air_Base
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RE: C17 Lands At Wrong TPA Airport

Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:30 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 40):
If they don't get weather duty, they could be assigned to looking out for incoming ICBMs...

Something more likely these days is a Predator to Cannon AFB, New Mexico.
 
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Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:36 pm

Quoting wjcandee (Reply 24):
Looking at the departure video, smooth as silk. I'm betting the crew that brought her in was sitting in a room somewhere being interrogated while senior Central Command brass hand-picked the crew to take her out, well aware of the scrutiny the maneuver would receive. Those guys made it look easy.

Central Command? Nope, Air Mobility Command. Further, the C-17 didn't stay there long, AMC would have to really hussle to get a replacement crew down there that fast... Unless there was another Aircraft Commander & Pilot already aboard.

After further consideration AMC probably flew another crew from Charleston down to MacDill, or possibly there was another crew already at MacDill.

BTW: The videos are an excellent, though unplanned, demonstration of the C-17s short field capabilities.

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Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:52 pm

Quoting cargotanker (Reply 41):
Something more likely these days is a Predator to Cannon AFB, New Mexico.

Thanks for the update, but Cannon AFB seems to be paradise compared to Thule!

http://www.weather.com/weather/wxclimatology/monthly/graph/USNM0070
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Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:54 am

Quoting Revelation (Reply 39):
Yes, presuming the original crew wasn't on board. If it was, chances are they needed enough fuel to hit a tanker so they could be flown to their new job, weather duty at Thule AFB:

Nope, new jobs are short field landing instructors.

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 16):
A pilot makes that mistake because visibility is poor and the intended landing airport isn't visible. He sees a runway and assumes that he is high, and puts down short. That is how the Northwest aircraft landed at Ellsworth AFB rather than Rapid City (RAP)

Still a BIG screw up. A forgivable one though. They had the smarts to put the screw up out of their minds and stop the aircraft safely, cuz I'm sure as soon as they touched down they realized the mistake. Now they get to fly U-27A's from Thule to Cannon until the end of their contract.

I feel sorry for theses guys, one of those oh by the grace of God things. Like the T-bird pilot that didn't set his pressure right in the Kollsman window, is he still flying? I hope they just have to go through some training and have to work the way back to pilot/co-pilot. Plus it does show how GREAT an aircraft the C-17 is.

Would be SHOCKED to see one land at F-45 where I fly out of, but it does have longer runways.

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RE: C17 Lands At Wrong TPA Airport

Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:36 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 19):
I just looked and the C-17 is indeed from MDL, so they have plenty of experience on 3,500ft runways.

It was from McGuire in New Jersey... That's a McGuire tail flash, and it's one of the newer models.
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RE: C17 Lands At Wrong TPA Airport

Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:38 am

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 29):
And she started her roll from beyond the piano keys and spooled up with brakes on.. clearly they were erring on the side of caution here as they probably still had 1000ft of runway, 5 seconds of tarmac, left when they got airborne (abeam of second taxiway).

Whats the decision speed on a runway as short as this or are you just committed to going once you release the brakes?

They are impressive when they are taking off short-field, and probably "light" on fuel etc...also.

[Edited 2012-07-21 18:40:20]
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Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:45 am

Quoting Revelation (Reply 43):
Quoting cargotanker (Reply 41):
Something more likely these days is a Predator to Cannon AFB, New Mexico.

Thanks for the update, but Cannon AFB seems to be paradise compared to Thule!

http://www.weather.com/weather/wxcli...M0070

lol... It's basically in a part of NM that's just an extension of LOVELY West Texas! YUCK! HAHA
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RE: C17 Lands At Wrong TPA Airport

Sun Jul 22, 2012 5:17 am

Speaking of Thule AB, been there and done that. At the time as a journalist, I covered the B52 crash there with six nuke bombs. Cold as hell with whiteouts. Paths in the snow had rope guides. All vehicles outside ran 24/7 with chocks placed against wheels. Remember this from colonel's briefing: "If you have a flask of booze in the pocked of your parka, don't drink it. Since the temperature is currently -45 (F) the alcohol will freeze your throat instantly and you'll die." True or not, I didn't try it.
 
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RE: C17 Lands At Wrong TPA Airport

Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:27 pm

Quoting 135mech (Reply 45):
Quoting STT757 (Reply 19):I just looked and the C-17 is indeed from MDL, so they have plenty of experience on 3,500ft runways.

It was from McGuire in New Jersey... That's a McGuire tail flash, and it's one of the newer models.

MDL is "Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst" - http://www.jointbasemdl.af.mil/

McGuire AFB ended when JB MDL was created on 1 Oct 2009. The assualt training runway for the C-17s is actually at Lakehurst, not McGuire.

Yeah, I hate the redesignations also. I'm always finding I'm out of date.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Base


Quoting Revelation (Reply 43):
Thanks for the update, but Cannon AFB seems to be paradise compared to Thule!
Quoting 135mech (Reply 47):
It's basically in a part of NM that's just an extension of LOVELY West Texas! YUCK! HAHA

After mowing the yard in the Dallas area in 106 temps, 117 heat index - I would be happy to visit Thule right now. Heck the LOW temps at night are running in the high 80s.





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