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Air Combat Across The Taiwan Straight

Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:05 am

I am looking for and could not find a good write-up on the numerous dogfight between Nationalist Taiwan Air Force against the Communist China Air Force across the Taiwan strait. Does anyone has any good reference?
Another question, how many versions of F-84 thunderchief did the Taiwan Air Force actually flew or used in operation?
 
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RE: Air Combat Across The Taiwan Straight

Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:25 am

I believe they used the F-84G. I don't recall reading or seeing pictures indicating they got the F-84F. Their primary 50's air-to-air bird was the F-86F and these were, at some point in their service with Taiwan, equipped with Sidewinder missiles.
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RE: Air Combat Across The Taiwan Straight

Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:24 pm

The F-84 Thunderjet was originally an escort fighter - and used as such in Korea - but it was a poor performer and all 'Thunder' jets were strike aircraft after that. The Thunderchief of course is the F-105.

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RE: Air Combat Across The Taiwan Straight

Fri Aug 03, 2012 7:47 pm

For some reason, acig.org uses green text on a black background, which drives my eyes nuts, but here is a write-up:
http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_145.shtml
 
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RE: Air Combat Across The Taiwan Straight

Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:55 pm

Quoting dlednicer (Reply 3):

Very good read. I had to copy the text over to a word editor in order not to screw up my eyes.

  

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RE: Air Combat Across The Taiwan Straight

Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:18 am

Quoting ptrjong (Reply 2):
The F-84 Thunderjet was originally an escort fighter - and used as such in Korea - but it was a poor performer and all 'Thunder' jets were strike aircraft after that. The Thunderchief of course is the F-105.

I recall reading that the F-84 Thunderjet was used primarily as a fighter-bomber in Korea and was considered the best there was in the war zone. That's not to take anything away from the F-80 as it did a fine job, but the Thunderjet had longer legs, as I understand it, and carried an impressive load.
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RE: Air Combat Across The Taiwan Straight

Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:50 pm

Quoting ebj1248650 (Reply 5):

Yes, the Thunderjet had relatively long legs, and that's why SAC procured and used it as an escort fighter for the B-29. It was also used as a fighter-bomber in Korea.
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RE: Air Combat Across The Taiwan Straight

Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:12 pm

They had 1 squadron of RF84F also.
 
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RE: Air Combat Across The Taiwan Straight

Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:19 am

Is there any real combat record for F84F model?
Seems that F84F is a vast difference to F84G, wing is different, the entire fuselarge is different? I recall seeing a photo of West German Air Force operating the F model.
 
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RE: Air Combat Across The Taiwan Straight

Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:38 am

Quoting celestar (Reply 8):
Is there any real combat record for F84F model?

Yes, with France in the Suez war of 1956, and with Turkey in the invasion of Northern Cyprus in 1974.

Quoting celestar (Reply 8):
Seems that F84F is a vast difference to F84G, wing is different, the entire fuselarge is different

Yes, the F-84F Thunderstreak is actually completely different aircraft from the Thunderjet. It was initially designated F-96. The change to F-84F was a trick to get funding.
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RE: Air Combat Across The Taiwan Straight

Mon Aug 27, 2012 1:16 am

Quoting ptrjong (Reply 9):
Yes, with France in the Suez war of 1956, and with Turkey in the invasion of Northern Cyprus in 1974.

How does it perform in those war days? I think most of the spot light was occupied by F-86 Saber.
How does the F84F compared with the Saber F86?
 
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RE: Air Combat Across The Taiwan Straight

Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:13 am

There was little or no air combat. The F-84F again was an attack aircraft.
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