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Unmanned Gripen "E/F"..?

Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:53 am

SAAB has something more in mind it seems  .....

""The documents show that the aim of the study is "briefly describe the development of unmanned flying systems in 2030-perspective and ability to combine these with manned platforms". The unmanned plane to – like current Jas 39 Gripen — to switch between the fighter, attack and reconnaissance""

Sorry,link only in Swedish.
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/fordo..._motor/flygplan/article3519054.ece
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RE: Unmanned Gripen "E/F"..?

Wed Aug 15, 2012 5:47 pm

IMHO, the limited commercial success of the Gripen must firmly be overcome first before venturing into the "optionally manned" or "unmanned" realm. A headlong attempt at it without convincing export victories of the conventionally piloted version could be seen as finding a market for the idle A/B fleet or worse, a brand-new "also-ran". And 2030's UAVs might take on smaller, more efficient platform configurations.

More productive I think, is this effort aimed at maximizing the gains from a country's investment in the Gripen...

http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....e-xml/AW_08_13_2012_p38-484470.xml

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"Sweden's slow but determined entry onto the world fighter stage is taking another step forward. At the same time, Saab is talking more in public about networked air combat capabilities that rest on decades of experience, much of which was long kept secret.

Saab and the Swedish and South African air forces are moving to establish a new Fighter Weapons School at the SAAF's Overberg base, in the southern Cape area, to develop advanced combat skills within the growing world community of Gripen pilots. The first class is due to open in October 2013.

In announcing the FWS, the company discussed its concept of networked tactics for the new JAS 39E/F fighter. Ultimately, Overberg's expansive ranges could provide an ideal environment for this technology."
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RE: Unmanned Gripen "E/F"..?

Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:17 am

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 1):
IMHO, the limited commercial success of the Gripen must firmly be overcome first before venturing into the "optionally manned" or "unmanned" realm.

SAAB did well exporting the J35 and it appears they've done even better exporting the J39. Their success could be called "limited" in the context of US sales of F-16s and Hornets, or F-5s and Phantom IIs, but in the context of sales of their own airplanes, they've done remarkably well.
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RE: Unmanned Gripen "E/F"..?

Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:37 pm

Quoting ebj1248650 (Reply 2):
but in the context of sales of their own airplanes, they've done remarkably well.

Agreed...and it's bound to do better should the Swiss sale finally pushes through.....

http://www.defensenews.com/article/2...odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

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"Defense minister Ueli Maurer, who is in charge of the dossier, said that negotiations with Sweden were 'reaching their conclusion (and) will allow us to resolve any outstanding issues.'

The purchase price — 3.126 billion francs (2.69 (m)illion euros, $3.25 billion) — was guaranteed not to change, he said, adding that the Gripen 'was the cheapest' option compared with the French Dassault Rafale and the EADS Eurofighter."



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RE: Unmanned Gripen "E/F"..?

Thu Aug 23, 2012 12:52 pm

Quoting ebj1248650 (Reply 2):
but in the context of sales of their own airplanes, they've done remarkably well

According to Wikipedia this is not correct:

JAS 29: Total of 66 were exported, some of them on leasing. The Swedish Air Force accepted 204 frames
Saab 35: 125 exported with no leasing. The Swedish Air Force accepted more than 500 frames

According to this, if correct, the JAS 29 is not mosuccessful
 
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RE: Unmanned Gripen "E/F"..?

Fri Aug 24, 2012 6:51 am

Quoting ebj1248650 (Reply 2):
SAAB did well exporting the J35 and it appears they've done even better exporting the J39
Quoting An225 (Reply 4):
According to Wikipedia this is not correct:

Well,it depends how you look at it...
204 Gripens produced.....66 exported ,that's make it close to 30% of manufactured to 5 different customer (Swiss not included)
650 Draken (J35) and ..125 exported,that's make it close to 20% to 3 different customers

    
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RE: Unmanned Gripen "E/F"..?

Sat Aug 25, 2012 9:18 am

Well finally, the Swedish government have decided to acquire 40-60 JAS 39 Gripen E/F.

http://www.gp.se/nyheter/sverige/1.1045260-sverige-koper-nya-super-jas
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RE: Unmanned Gripen "E/F"..?

Sat Aug 25, 2012 10:05 am

Quoting thunderboltdrgn (Reply 6):
Well finally, the Swedish government have decided to acquire 40-60 JAS 39 Gripen E/F.


i would be more comfortable with 60-80  
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RE: Unmanned Gripen "E/F"..?

Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:38 pm

Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 7):
i would be more comfortable with 60-80

yeah and bunch of "A26s*" as well.  

*A26 Submarine that is.

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RE: Unmanned Gripen "E/F"..?

Wed Aug 29, 2012 9:48 am

Dont forget that most J35 wore sold to Finland after being used in the swdish airforce in what it seems secret contracts. But for relations with Soviet they were stored in Sweden in case of the war.

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