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First A400M Delivery Suffers Fresh Slip

Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:15 pm

Meanwhile, back in Tolouse:

First A400M delivery suffers fresh slip

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Airbus Military has slipped its delivery schedule for Europe's first A400M transport, with the French air force now expected to receive aircraft MSN7 during the second quarter of 2013. It had been contractually due to hand over the aircraft by 31 March 2013.

Looks like the champagne will need to be kept on ice till some time in Apr-Jun 2013.

The functionality and reliability tests were halted when metal chips were found in the engine, and the root cause was determined to be a crack in a cover plate, which is "a mechanical piece isolating elements within the propeller gear box", ergo the slip in the schedule as the fault was found and the cover plates were replaced on all engines.

As for the near future:

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While the French air force's first aircraft will be delayed, its manufacturer says it remains on track to hand over a total of four A400Ms next year: three for France and a first example for Turkey. This will follow the type's expected receipt of full civil type certification and initial operating capability status in the first quarter of 2013.

Airbus Military says its fleet of "Grizzly" development aircraft has so far amassed more than 3,700h during almost 1,250 flights. This marks a roughly 300h increase since its most recent figures, released in mid-June.

The company has, meanwhile, yet to disclose when it expects to perform the first flight of aircraft MSN7 from Seville, Spain. A previously-planned target date of 23 August was dropped as a result of the TP400 engine issue.
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RE: First A400M Delivery Suffers Fresh Slip

Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:26 pm

Really dissapointing. I am a big fan of the TP600 however with all this delays i have to ask if it wouldn't have been better to buy a PW engine even if it's less powerful and less efficient.
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RE: First A400M Delivery Suffers Fresh Slip

Fri Sep 07, 2012 5:04 pm

Quoting autothrust (Reply 1):
Really dissapointing.

Your post made me think of the fact that Airbus calls their test birds Grizzly, which means grey-haired!

Given the problems they are having with them, perhaps they should be called Gristly instead?

Oh, well, they will get built sooner or later.
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RE: First A400M Delivery Suffers Fresh Slip

Fri Sep 07, 2012 7:19 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 2):
Given the problems they are having with them, perhaps they should be called Gristly instead?


Maybe they should have called them "grisly" - same pronunciation as "grizzly", after all..   
 
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RE: First A400M Delivery Suffers Fresh Slip

Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:14 pm

Wouldn't it have been easier, faster, and cheaper to send someone from the engine OEM with the new cover plates to replace them in Spain, rather than shipping the engines back to have the work done? For a program this late and overbudget you would think they would try to save some time and money.
 
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RE: First A400M Delivery Suffers Fresh Slip

Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:58 am

Quoting autothrust (Reply 1):
Really dissapointing. I am a big fan of the TP600 however with all this delays i have to ask if it wouldn't have been better to buy a PW engine even if it's less powerful and less efficient.

The PW engine could have been optimized. They didn't give it a chance.

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RE: First A400M Delivery Suffers Fresh Slip

Wed Sep 12, 2012 2:47 pm

Quoting gigneil (Reply 5):
Quoting autothrust (Reply 1):Really dissapointing. I am a big fan of the TP600 however with all this delays i have to ask if it wouldn't have been better to buy a PW engine even if it's less powerful and less efficient.

The PW engine could have been optimized. They didn't give it a chance.

Correct. The French government didn't want to loose any of the jobs to Canada, or any where other than the EU. It turn they lost a possible sale to Canada, who bought both the C-17A and the C-130J.
 
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Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:47 pm

Does anyone know what happened to our friend Keesje? He was always commenting on A400M developments but haven't seen him for awhile.
 
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RE: First A400M Delivery Suffers Fresh Slip

Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:13 pm

Quoting GRIVely (Reply 7):
Does anyone know what happened to our friend Keesje? He was always commenting on A400M developments but haven't seen him for awhile.

Oh you don't have to worry about Keesje!

He is still banging the EADS/ A400m drum pretty hard... In fact he has comments today on one of the other websites that he frequents. And some funny replies to his comments...  

I'd post them, but I don't know if its allowed in the rules here...
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RE: First A400M Delivery Suffers Fresh Slip

Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:04 pm

So we know the first French airplane is delayed (France was scheduled to get 3 by thye end of 2013), Turkey was scheduled to get one airplane next year too. Is that also delayed, along with first deliveries to Germany, UK, Spain, etc.?
 
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RE: First A400M Delivery Suffers Fresh Slip

Sat Sep 15, 2012 9:18 pm

Quoting autothrust (Reply 1):
Really dissapointing. I am a big fan of the TP600 however with all this delays i have to ask if it wouldn't have been better to buy a PW engine even if it's less powerful and less efficient.
Quoting gigneil (Reply 5):
The PW engine could have been optimized. They didn't give it a chance.

I would think if Airbus Military had stuck with the PWC 180 the A400M might well be in service today. Since it was based on an existing core it would not have had the protracted development issues that have plagues the Europrop engine. A purely political decision which may have cost Airbus an order from the CF (instead of the C-17/C-130J).
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RE: First A400M Delivery Suffers Fresh Slip

Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:40 pm

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 10):
I would think if Airbus Military had stuck with the PWC 180 the A400M might well be in service today.

I agree with this statement. And I believe that more time and resources could have been utilized in other problem area's that were promised to begin with this A/C... Now, it's just a super expensive box carrier with no bells and whistles that were originally promised.
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RE: First A400M Delivery Suffers Fresh Slip

Thu Sep 20, 2012 6:58 am

Quoting gigneil (Reply 5):
The PW engine could have been optimized. They didn't give it a chance.
Quoting connies4ever (Reply 10):

I would think if Airbus Military had stuck with the PWC 180 the A400M might well be in service today.

That could be the case, however the PWC 180 is neither so efficient, powerful or advanced as the TP400-D6.
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RE: First A400M Delivery Suffers Fresh Slip

Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:35 am

Quoting autothrust (Reply 12):

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 10):

I would think if Airbus Military had stuck with the PWC 180 the A400M might well be in service today.

That could be the case, however the PWC 180 is neither so efficient, powerful or advanced as the TP400-D6.

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RE: First A400M Delivery Suffers Fresh Slip

Sat Sep 22, 2012 3:29 pm

Quoting autothrust (Reply 12):
That could be the case, however the PWC 180 is neither so efficient, powerful or advanced as the TP400-D6.

We will never know that because the PW-180 was not selected. My guess is if it were, the engine would have been upgraded in fuel burn and power. Still mich cheaper and less developement time than starting from one sheet of paper, from a JV that didn't exsist before about 2003, to form a company with just one product to one customer.
 
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RE: First A400M Delivery Suffers Fresh Slip

Wed Sep 26, 2012 9:55 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 14):
We will never know that because the PW-180 was not selected. My guess is if it were, the engine would have been upgraded in fuel burn and power.

Again, the TP400 has the most advanced combustion system of any prop in the world, also the fuel efficiency is unmatched.

If you equip on a 737 this engine it would lower the fuel consumption to -30% at marginally lower service ceilling and speed.
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