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Six Harriers Destroyed In Afghanistan

Sun Sep 16, 2012 4:25 pm

When 15 Afghan insurgents attacked Camp Bastion/ Camp Leatherneck on 15 Sept. 2012, they destroyed SIX AV-8B Harriers on the ground, and damaged at least two more. In addition, A fuel storage tank and a helicopter maintenance tent were also damaged.

No word on serial no.s

Not good news obviously for a model no longer in production. I wonder what effect this will have on the Marines' commitment to the F-35 (ie. it's now a necessity).

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/15/world/...-fatal-attack/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
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RE: Six Harriers Destroyed In Afghanistan

Sun Sep 16, 2012 4:55 pm

it is not clear these were US planes or British. It is a joint base with both operating the type.
 
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RE: Six Harriers Destroyed In Afghanistan

Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:08 pm

Quoting mham001 (Reply 1):
it is not clear these were US planes or British. It is a joint base with both operating the type.

The Brits retired theirs last year and sold them to the US. The US put them in storage for parts. I suppose it's fair to assume a few of them will now go into front line service after some updates are completed.
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RE: Six Harriers Destroyed In Afghanistan

Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:16 pm

The Americans refer to them as AV-8A and AV-8C, Spanish have the AV-8S Matador. The British ones are known as the GR1 and GR3, and the FA2 Sea Harrier.
 
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RE: Six Harriers Destroyed In Afghanistan

Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:34 pm

NSACARAirforce, are you sure? Even ISAF is calling them AV-8Bs:

http://www.isaf.nato.int/article/isa...etails-on-camp-bastion-attack.html
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RE: Six Harriers Destroyed In Afghanistan

Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:55 pm

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 3):
The Americans refer to them as AV-8A and AV-8C, Spanish have the AV-8S Matador. The British ones are known as the GR1 and GR3, and the FA2 Sea Harrier.

Huh?
The AV-8B Harrier IIs are second generation American operational jumpjets produced by MDD. They are also the more numerous of the total AV-8s operated by the USMC.
The AV-8As are the British produced first generation Harriers for USMC and the AV-8Cs are life-extension upgrades of a little under half of the 100 plus AV-8A fleet.

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RE: Six Harriers Destroyed In Afghanistan

Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:59 pm

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 3):
The Americans refer to them as AV-8A and AV-8C, Spanish have the AV-8S Matador. The British ones are known as the GR1 and GR3, and the FA2 Sea Harrier.

You're a little out of date. The first-generation Harriers, the Hawker Siddeley P-1127 Kestrel and Harrier were operated by the RAF (as the P.1127 and Kestrel FGA1) and USAF (yes, USAF, as the XV-6A Kestrel). There was also a Tri-partite Evaluation Squadron, consisting of pilots from the UK, US and West Germany, that operated P.1127s.

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The AV-8A, AV-8C, GR1 and GR3 are all second-generation Harriers. The FA2 was an updated version of the FRS1, which was second-generation. The Indian Navy also operates the FRS51 and the Thai Navy operates or operated ex-Spanish AV-8S.

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The third-generation Harriers are the AV-8B, operated by the USMC, Spanish Navy and Italian Navy. The RAF operated the GR5, GR7 and GR9.

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RE: Six Harriers Destroyed In Afghanistan

Sun Sep 16, 2012 6:32 pm

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 3):
The Americans refer to them as AV-8A and AV-8C, Spanish have the AV-8S Matador. The British ones are known as the GR1 and GR3, and the FA2 Sea Harrier.

As has been pointed out,, UK sold their Harriers to the USMC last year as a source of parts to keep the AV-8Bs viable a while longer since the F-35B seems to be having a protracted gestation. The Harriers sold were GR7/GR9 models, not GR1/GR3, which were withdrawn from use some time ago.

The FA2 Sea Harrier was withdrawn from RN service a couple of years ago. I believe the issue was corrosion both for the airframe and the engine which would have required a really substantial effort to rectify. The aircraft is actually rather different than the one operated by the RAF and was basically a fleet defense interceptor (short range) and wouldn't have been of interest to the USMC in any event as it lacks any real ground attack capability.
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RE: Six Harriers Destroyed In Afghanistan

Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:21 am

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 7):
The FA2 Sea Harrier was withdrawn from RN service a couple of years ago. I believe the issue was corrosion both for the airframe and the engine which would have required a really substantial effort to rectify. The aircraft is actually rather different than the one operated by the RAF and was basically a fleet defense interceptor (short range) and wouldn't have been of interest to the USMC in any event as it lacks any real ground attack capability.

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RE: Six Harriers Destroyed In Afghanistan

Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:06 pm

How many spare AV8B does the USMC have?.

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