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Felix Baumgartner Set For Skydive Record Attempt

Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:32 am

I've been following Felix Baumgartner and Red Bull Stratos for a while yet. I am a big time fan and supporter!

Today will be his day. I hope all will go well during ascent and the jump.
What he is doing here is truly incredible... simply beyond words...

     

Austrian Felix Baumgartner set for skydive record attempt

The Austrian skydiver Felix Baumgartner will attempt to become the first human to break the sound barrier unaided by a vehicle.
He is going to jump out of a balloon at more than 120,000ft (36.5km) above Roswell, New Mexico.
In the near vacuum at that altitude, he should accelerate beyond about 690mph (1,110km/h) within 40 seconds.
Assuming all goes well, he will open a parachute near the ground to land softly in the local desert.

read more:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19860249

        


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Good luck Felix Baumgartner! All the Best!!! Wishing you total success!!!


                 
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RE: Felix Baumgartner Set For Skydive Record Attempt

Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:19 am

This has already been done - with slightly lower parameters - in 1960 by Joseph Kittinger during Project Excelsior  .

http://www.af.mil/information/heritage/spotlight.asp?id=123109977

The only difference - apart from Baumgartner's vastly superior equipment - is the fact that Kittinger's jump is not an officially recognized world record.
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RE: Felix Baumgartner Set For Skydive Record Attempt

Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:40 am

Quoting TripleDelta (Reply 1):
This has already been done - with slightly lower parameters - in 1960 by Joseph Kittinger during Project Excelsior

Kittinger is one most essential part of the Felix Baumgartner Red Bull Stratos team.

I greatly admire the man, considering the fact that his equipment was much less sophisticated than the equipment made available to Felix Baumgartner and there was much risk to his attempt at the time.

I hope today will go well for Felix Baumgartner. What he is doing is truly incredible and beyond words, not talking about danger - I hope his mission will be a 100% success.

  

There will be a live feed of the whole mission (with a 20 seconds time lap) on the Red Bull Stratos page linked above.

Hope for the better.
Go Felix Baumgartner!

        
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RE: Felix Baumgartner Set For Skydive Record Attempt

Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:05 pm

Red Bull Stratos Mission Resumes

Balloon lay out has begun

Standby for update at 9.30 AM (MDT)

http://www.redbullstratos.com/live/

        
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RE: Felix Baumgartner Set For Skydive Record Attempt

Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:33 pm

What about terminal velocity?
Does he jump from that height because the atmosphere provides very little drag so he can actually accelerate enough?

That would also mean, the lower he gets, the slower he becomes, right?
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RE: Felix Baumgartner Set For Skydive Record Attempt

Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:36 pm

The livecast has started. One minute to go for launch!

Good luck Fearless Felix!

http://www.redbullstratos.com/live/

I hope this one will be a total success!

     
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Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:41 pm

Good luck.

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RE: Felix Baumgartner Set For Skydive Record Attempt

Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:43 pm

Launch aborted! Too much wind apparently.
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RE: Felix Baumgartner Set For Skydive Record Attempt

Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:44 pm

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 7):
Launch aborted! Too much wind apparently.

He is very disappointed and so is his mother.

Oh well. Better safe than sorry.
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RE: Felix Baumgartner Set For Skydive Record Attempt

Tue Oct 09, 2012 5:47 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 8):
Better safe than sorry.

Exactly. It's already a perilous jump, so it's better not to add more risks to it.
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RE: Felix Baumgartner Set For Skydive Record Attempt

Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:03 pm

This balloon is now useless. The commentator says it cannot be reused. There is another spare balloon on site.
Also they had a problem with one of the on board radios in the capsule that was not working properly.

    

I took a screenshot
Felix Baumgartner in his capsule when they announced launch abort.

http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo250/parisquilts/Divers/BaumgartnerFelix91012_zps7c966405.jpg

Launch called off due to wind gusts.
Well, that is anticlimactic. Once they started inflating the balloon it began to be whipped in the wind and it became apparent that full inflation would be impossible.

"Whoa, gusty winds are taking that balloon down now," said the Red Bull announcer. "That's going to be a problem. There's the decision. Abort the attempt.

"May or may not be tomorrow" -commentator.

"That's the decision. This is going to be off for today. ... They had the window for a short while. But the winds are a huge concern."

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[Edited 2012-10-09 11:17:11]
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RE: Felix Baumgartner Set For Skydive Record Attempt

Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:08 am

Countdown
03 days 03:53:12

Current Status
Next weather window to launch Felix Baumgartner opens Sunday, Oct. 14th. More weather updates to follow as we get closer.

http://www.redbullstratos.com/

     
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RE: Felix Baumgartner Set For Skydive Record Attempt

Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:18 am

Quoting klemmi85 (Reply 4):
Does he jump from that height because the atmosphere provides very little drag so he can actually accelerate enough?

Yeah. I'm a bit hazy on the physics but he will be so high that there will be no atmosphere to create drag. He will keep accelerating for the first min or two, this is the point when he should exceed the speed of sound. After that the atmosphere will slow him down until he opens the chute at 5K feet.
 
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RE: Felix Baumgartner Set For Skydive Record Attempt

Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:34 am

Quoting EagleBoy (Reply 12):
Yeah. I'm a bit hazy on the physics but he will be so high that there will be no atmosphere to create drag.

A side effect is also that it is easier to break the sound barrier at that altitude. The speed of sound is function of temperature and drops as the temperature drops. For example, at sea level in standard conditions - 15 degrees Centigrade - the speed of sound is about 661 knots/761 mph; at 120,000 ft - where the temp is about -40 Centigrade - it drops to 611 knots/703 mph.

EDIT: at 36,000 ft - where the tropopause starts on average - the temperature is even lower, -56 Centigrade in standard conditions, giving a speed of sound of "just" 589 knots, or 678 mph  Smile.

[Edited 2012-10-11 01:39:55]
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RE: Felix Baumgartner Set For Skydive Record Attempt

Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:20 am

Posting the latest update from the Red Bull Stratos web page:

Countdown
02 days 01:42:23
Current Status

Weather still looks favorable for a launch Sunday Oct. 14th. Forecast: sunny, low: 47°F / high: 81°F, lightest winds in the morning.

     
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Sun Oct 14, 2012 12:42 pm

00 days 02:03:14
Current Status

Weather hold. Launch window opens @ 8:45 MDT. Wind too strong at top of balloon. Team optimistic conditions will improve.



Good, then I can go running now...


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Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:45 pm

Estimated 120 minutes till jump
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RE: Felix Baumgartner Set For Skydive Record Attempt

Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:02 pm

The live feed has begun.

http://www.redbullstratos.com/live/

All the best Felix!

Wishing you a 100¨successful jump on this try!

Keep safe!

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RE: Felix Baumgartner Set For Skydive Record Attempt

Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:34 pm

Watching the live action on ServusTV, he just passed 62,000ft at -60°C, breathing 100% oxygen. The so-called "Armstrong Line" is going to be crossed soon, an altitude at which man's bodily fluids would start to boil without adequate safety measures.
Live feed clearly shows the curvature of the earth, cam setup is very high quality, I hope the jump will be just as impressively filmed as the launch.


All the best to Felix! This is a big achievement to all of humankind!

  
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Sun Oct 14, 2012 4:52 pm

Twitter:

Mitt Romney : "Pourquoi le mec est dans une capsule ?" #livejump

("Why is this guy in a capsule?")


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Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:13 pm

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 19):
Mitt Romney : "Pourquoi le mec est dans une capsule ?" #livejump

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RE: Felix Baumgartner Set For Skydive Record Attempt

Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:39 pm

This was crazy.
Congrats, Felix!

I'm still fascinated by this jump.

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Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:46 pm

Pretty freaky watching him step off from 128,000ft/39,000m and disappear. And I have done quite a few skydives!

Very stable initial departure though (but he did start spinning and tumbling during FF).

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RE: Felix Baumgartner Set For Skydive Record Attempt

Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:02 pm

Felix has landed safely from his jump from the Stratosphere.

Preliminary Figures, official data TBC:

Altitude: 128,097 ft
Duration of freefall: 4:19
Total jump time: 9:03
Speed: 1137 kmh

http://win.gs/stratoslive

              

Truly incredible!

I captured screenshots during ascent and jump/freefall/landing.
I will post them on this thread later.

What a day!

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World's Highest Skydive! Daredevil Makes Record-Breaking Supersonic Jump
...
Unofficial results of the jump showed Baumgartner spent about 4 minutes and 22 seconds in freefall, a bit short of the longest freefall record, but that he had a speed of about 700 mph, which would clinch the supersonic milestone, Red Bull Stratos officials said.

http://news.yahoo.com/worlds-highest...breaking-supersonic-181843879.html

A press conference is expected shortly.

http://www.redbullstratos.com/live/

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Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:55 pm

Chuck Yeager first went supersonic in the X-1 on the same day in 1947.

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RE: Felix Baumgartner Set For Skydive Record Attempt

Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:15 pm

Skydiver Felix Baumgartner lands highest ever jump

Highlights from Felix Baumgartner's leap into the record books
(with video)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19943590

He reached 729 MPH during freefall (1.173 km/h)
It scared me when I saw him spinning down at such high speed.

Truly beyond words.

My respect, Sir!
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RE: Felix Baumgartner Set For Skydive Record Attempt

Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:19 pm

Pitty this is in the wrong forum, it was civil av.

If you do not believe me, look at the FAA written on the back of the second person to get out of the helicopter after the phtotgeapher.

Nice civil sponsorship by Red Bull to make this happen. They make many of the better civil av things in my view happen these days.
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Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:30 pm

Live broadcast starting now
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RE: Felix Baumgartner Set For Skydive Record Attempt

Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:58 pm

When he landed, I remembered the "Wile E. Coyote & Roadrunner" episodes. I expected him to land upon a cactus...

Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 27):
Live broadcast starting now

What?




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Sun Oct 14, 2012 10:33 pm

Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 28):
Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 27):
Live broadcast starting now

What?


I think he was talking about the press conference.
 
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Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:01 pm

Congratulations to Felix and the Redbull STRATOS Team!      

Felix Baumgartner has now joined the fraternity of men and women who have "Pushed the Envelope" for the betterment of mankind. The reason I say that is that Redbull STRATOS is sharing all their information and space suit technology with NASA and other related agencies. They will be making high altitude aviation safer and I believe they'll even have an impact on space tourism.

What is also too cool is that Felix had the previous record holder, COL Joe Kittinger USAF (ret) as his CAPCOM! Joe is 84 years young and still full of fire. During the post-jump press conference, Joe gave the "One finger salute" to those who said Felix will fail! Joe and Felix were meant for each other!

While Felix did spin, there was no doubt in my mind that as soon as he could grab enough air, he would get out of the spin.

I encourage all of you who are interested to go to the Redbull STRATOS website (www.redbullstratos.com) and just spend some time there. They have lots of videos showing the progress of the project and it also shows that Felix is real down-to-earth guy.

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Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:25 pm

Quoting JeffSFO (Reply 29):
Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 28):
Quoting rwy04lga (Reply 27):
Live broadcast starting now

What?


I think he was talking about the press conference.

Yes, sorry for the confusion.  
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RE: Felix Baumgartner Set For Skydive Record Attempt

Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:01 am

Officials numbers, videos and pics here :

https://www.redbullcontentpool.com/content/stratos/products/red_bull_stratos_mission_accomplished;jsessionid=A30BEA3386F287390F78DB0EDAE2F372

Altitude: 128,100 ft (39 045 m)
Duration of freefall: 4:20
Speed: 1342.8 km/h (Mach 1.24)



[Edited 2012-10-14 18:04:00]
 
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Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:58 am

Quoting zeke (Reply 26):
If you do not believe me, look at the FAA written on the back of the second person to get out of the helicopter after the phtotgeapher

Wasn't he from the FAI, and not the FAA?
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Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:58 am

What happens to the balloon and capsule???
 
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Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:06 am

Quoting crownvic (Reply 34):
What happens to the balloon and capsule???

Not sure what happened to the Balloon - the Capsule itself came down shortly after Felix - with much more data!
 
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Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:17 am

Can you explain further?? How did it come down..?.?
 
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Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:42 am

Quoting crownvic (Reply 36):
Can you explain further?? How did it come down..?.?

The capsule was designed to detach from the balloon and then deploy a parachute so it could be recovered.
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Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:32 am

The capsule landed under a parachute approximately 20 minutes after Felix touched down. I'm unsure of the disposition of the balloon, however.
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Mon Oct 15, 2012 7:19 am

One thing I do not find correct is that he will not get a record for the highest balloon flight because the rules are that you must come back down to earth with the balloon. Obviously he did not.
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Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:16 am

Quoting 9VSIO (Reply 33):
Wasn't he from the FAI, and not the FAA?

I think you are right NAA/FAI. 40 km up is also a long way from space, depending on where you are from, they define it at 80 to 100 km.
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Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:53 am

Really i cannot understand all this hype. Nobody cared when Kittinger did the same and achieved 990km/h with 60's technology.

Besides i cannot express how i hate the press for lying to the people with such titles:

Austrian going to jump from space

Jump from Space

Felix Baumgartner freefall jump from space

     

http://www.abendblatt.de/vermischtes...-war-schneller-als-der-Schall.html

http://www.thedailystar.net/newDesign/news-details.php?nid=252797

The last time i looked at FAI international standards the space begins at 100km and not at 39km.
 
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Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:30 pm

Quoting autothrust (Reply 41):

Really i cannot understand all this hype. Nobody cared when Kittinger did the same and achieved 990km/h with 60's technology.

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Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:16 pm

Quoting autothrust (Reply 41):
Really i cannot understand all this hype. Nobody cared when Kittinger did the same and achieved 990km/h with 60's technology.

There was no hype. No mainstream media (BBC CNN etc.) had any live cast coverage of Baumgartner's free fall speed record. None of them. It was all on the Internet, Red Bull Stratos then picked up by Youtube, Twitter feeds and maybe some local TV channels near Roswell.

     

The media back in Kittinger's days were not anything comparing to what they are now. No one would even dare to think of people getting instant news feed on a pocket phone or thorugh a personal computer. Those families with money had fat black and white TVs. My parents got their first TV in the Summer of 1960 for the Rome Olympic Games.

What was going on in one country was not necessarily publicized in other countries. No one would be aware of these things aside from interest communities. Proper learning of foreign languages and world travel was mostly available to those with high income.

  

Now anyone try to beat Baumgartner's feat unless he himself decides to make another attempt to go higher and faster after some time. The man needs a good rest and time to enjoy life and his wonderful supportive family.

Felix Baumgarrtner is a Hero.

Even popular news papers such as the Daily Mail are coming up with stories with lots of pictures, diagrams and videos to explain to the common man what Fearless Felix had to go through to achieve his incredible mission.

  

Faster than the speed of sound: Supersonic skydiver Fearless Felix hits mach 1.24 in terrifying plummet to Earth from 128,000ft

'Fearless Felix' Baumgartner completes astonishing drop from the top of the stratosphere
Breaks the speed of sound after travelling at mach 1.24
Austrian daredevil had been planning the feat for five years
Previous launches had been delayed due to wind
One tiny error could have resulted in his blood boiling and his brain exploding

For more than four nerve-racking minutes, he was a tiny white speck against a dark sky, hurtling from 24.5 miles above the Earth at up to 834mph.

Then his parachute opened and five minutes later, to the relief of the millions watching, ‘Fearless Felix’ Baumgartner was back on solid ground – having made the highest and fastest skydive in history .

In the process, the 43-year-old Austrian became the first freefall diver to break the sound barrier, and also broke the record for the highest-ever manned balloon ascent.

The story with pictures, diagrams and videos:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...rth-nearly-128-000-feet-Earth.html

I am thankful that few global companies such as Red Bull are showing interest for sponsoring extreme sports and putting a lot of money into them.

Self-made Billionaire Red Bull owner Dietrich Mateschitz is Austrian. He is Felix Baumgartner's countryman.
http://www.forbes.com/profile/dietrich-mateschitz/

Thank you Red Bull for making this possible.

        

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Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:57 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 43):

Felix Baumgarrtner is a Hero.

I think we have different definitions what a hero is.    A fanatic base jumper which makes stunts for his ego or a company marketing belongs not what i would call a hero.

How does his jump bring forward the mankind? In what way do his actions help someone?

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 43):
Now anyone try to beat Baumgartner's feat

The real feat was Kittingers jump, with 60's technologies in a open balloon and rudimentary equipment(without space suit) not a hermetic warmed up hightech balloon with a high tech suit.

In the sixties they even didn't know what would happen at this heights, it took 52 years to leapfrog his record.
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Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:21 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 43):
There was no hype. No mainstream media (BBC CNN etc.) had any live cast coverage of Baumgartner's free fall speed record. None of them. It was all on the Internet, Red Bull Stratos then picked up by Youtube, Twitter feeds and maybe some local TV channels near Roswell.

Actually it was on Discovery live
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Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:31 pm

Quoting autothrust (Reply 44):
I think we have different definitions what a hero is.    A fanatic base jumper which makes stunts for his ego or a company marketing belongs not what i would call a hero.

How does his jump bring forward the mankind? In what way do his actions help someone?

Oh thank you for saying that. My thoughts exactly. The term is miss-used terribly. While it was interesting to see and all, I find the whole thing completely pointless. If we want to say it's about beating a record, entertainment, ego, marketing OK, that that's it. Lt's not make it what it isn't.

Quoting autothrust (Reply 44):
The real feat was Kittingers jump, with 60's technologies in a open balloon and rudimentary equipment(without space suit) not a hermetic warmed up hightech balloon with a high tech suit.

In the sixties they even didn't know what would happen at this heights, it took 52 years to leapfrog his record.

correct! once should not even categorize them together.
 
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RE: Felix Baumgartner Set For Skydive Record Attempt

Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:36 pm

Quoting autothrust (Reply 41):
Quoting autothrust (Reply 44):
I think we have different definitions what a hero is. A fanatic base jumper which makes stunts for his ego or a company marketing belongs not what i would call a hero.

I agree with you. What I really enjoyed, though, was the imagery relayed by the capsule.

In my book, a hero is somebody who has defied real dangers to his health and life.

Some heroes may be outright stupid, some heroes may not even achieve something worthwhile. And lastly, a hero depends on his luck and not on tedious preparations.



I don't think Red Bull would have bankrolled his record attempt if his chances of dying would be in the 5-20% range.

So... puh-leeze.


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RE: Felix Baumgartner Set For Skydive Record Attempt

Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:39 pm

Quoting autothrust (Reply 44):
The real feat was Kittingers jump, with 60's technologies in a open balloon and rudimentary equipment(without space suit) not a hermetic warmed up hightech balloon with a high tech suit.

In the sixties they even didn't know what would happen at this heights, it took 52 years to leapfrog his record

I have to agree with oyu on this point. What Kittinger did was way beyond yesterdays jump. Kittenger was also an accomplished Air Force test pilot with over 16K hours and unknown amount of aircraft.

We watched it live on Discovery and it was great to watch. It is quite a feat but it still does not come close to what Kittenger did 50 plus years ago.

Quoting tugger (Reply 22):
Pretty freaky watching him step off from 128,000ft/39,000m and disappear

It made for great television....
 
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RE: Felix Baumgartner Set For Skydive Record Attempt

Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:42 pm

Quoting autothrust (Reply 44):
I think we have different definitions what a hero is. A fanatic base jumper which makes stunts for his ego or a company marketing belongs not what i would call a hero.

How does his jump bring forward the mankind? In what way do his actions help someone?

While I wouldn't call him a hero for this, what he has done has brought "space" (yes, I know it's not really space that he jumped from, that is why he called it "edge of space") just a little closer and more into the minds of millions of people around the world. That "space" can be fun or that it can be reached by not just astronauts. It just helps keep it in the mind of people.

I am quite pleased that overall space is being very much kept in the minds of people lately, from Curiosity, to the success of SpaceX, to even reality TV shows trying to put people on Mars, space and beyond earth exploration and settlement is getting a lot of attention lately and some are beginning to accept that space and going to other planets is a normal thing, something that will happen in their lifetime. I think that is incredibly important.

Quoting autothrust (Reply 44):
The real feat was Kittingers jump, with 60's technologies in a open balloon and rudimentary equipment(without space suit) not a hermetic warmed up hightech balloon with a high tech suit.


In the sixties they even didn't know what would happen at this heights, it took 52 years to leapfrog his record.

Ummm, for its time Kittinger's jump was just as high tech as this one, and while yes they didn't know "what would happen" that was the entire point of the event. An important distinction between the two is that Baumgartner's jump was civil and not military (aother reason why it wasn't that publicized). That the technology has come that far, that civilian technology can do nowadays what only governments could do before is a big deal. And I don't think Kittinger is being forgotten at all with this jump, if anything this jump has brought that jump back into the public eye, if for however briefly.

So was it an enormous waste of money that could have been spent elsewhere? Was it only an ego trip for one man? I don't know but he did it and it was thrilling for many people who witnessed it. I know airshows inspire many to become pilots or aerospace engineers or go into the military, etc., this will quite likely inspire some to do something similar (engineering, space, whatever).

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