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An-225 No. 2 To Be Completed

Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:46 pm

It doesn't look like anyone has posted this but the second aircraft is to be completed, it appears that the customer is the Russian Airforce, in the linked article it speculates about additional frames.

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/bmpd/38024980/338602/338602_original.jpg
 
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RE: An-225 No. 2 To Be Completed

Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:56 pm

Hoepfully this is the case but, being a cynic, we'll have to see, it's been sittign there half built for about 15 years now.
 
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RE: An-225 No. 2 To Be Completed

Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:00 pm

Quoting scouseflyer (Reply 1):

I hear ya. Working in this industry for this long, I'll believe it when I see it. Hope it works out though.
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RE: An-225 No. 2 To Be Completed

Tue Nov 06, 2012 8:08 pm

When the last C17 rolls off FAL, is there any other heavy air transport being made now? No forget the A400M, I said heavy transport. There must come a time when C5,AN124 and C17s are getting so worn and expensive to maintain that a new air lifter makes sense, but who would step up to the plate? Up 150t like the AN124 manages would be a goal.
 
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RE: An-225 No. 2 To Be Completed

Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:12 pm

I'll believe that when I see it. Haven't we heard musings about this more than once in the recent past?
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RE: An-225 No. 2 To Be Completed

Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:23 pm

What possible use would the Russian Air Force have for this? They've got fleets of IL-76s and plenty of AN-124s already. I suspect, if this is true, that it's more for prestige than for operational necessity.
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RE: An-225 No. 2 To Be Completed

Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:06 am

Quoting sweair (Reply 3):
When the last C17 rolls off FAL, is there any other heavy air transport being made now? No forget the A400M, I said heavy transport. There must come a time when C5,AN124 and C17s are getting so worn and expensive to maintain that a new air lifter makes sense, but who would step up to the plate? Up 150t like the AN124 manages would be a goal.

There is supposedly a plan to manufacture an updated An-124. Of course that's happened a couple of time before, but without result.

But I'm sure Boeing, Antonov or Airbus would be perfectly capable of building the next big military airlifter 20 years from now when all the C-17s start wearing out.
 
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RE: An-225 No. 2 To Be Completed

Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:32 am

Quoting KC135Hydraulics (Reply 5):
plenty of AN-124s already.

About 20. Of which 5 are airworthy and half the others haven't flown in over 10-15 years. Maybe they decided that buying a new An-225 is better than refurbishing some older 124s...
 
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RE: An-225 No. 2 To Be Completed

Wed Nov 07, 2012 2:53 am

Don't forget the Russian AF recently signed a contract for 39 IL-476s, which is an updated IL-76. Not quite a strategic lifter, but still this gives a boost to overall lift.
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RE: An-225 No. 2 To Be Completed

Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:37 pm

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 8):
Don't forget the Russian AF recently signed a contract for 39 IL-476s, which is an updated IL-76. Not quite a strategic lifter, but still this gives a boost to overall lift.

I was reading some stats on the IL-76D-90.. seems like a half-way decent plane. The only thing that looks to be limiting its usefulness is the narrow fuselage. Very C-141-esqe. There doesn't seem to be a suitable middle-ground between the IL-76 and AN-124 (like the C-17 in comparison to the old C-141 and the C-5).
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RE: An-225 No. 2 To Be Completed

Wed Nov 07, 2012 11:58 pm

Quoting KC135Hydraulics (Reply 9):
like the C-17 in comparison to the old C-141 and the C-5).

The An-22 fills that in a way however there's not nearly enough of them in service...
 
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RE: An-225 No. 2 To Be Completed

Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:43 am

Just because this is the most recent thread where the C-17 was mentioned, here's some cool C-17 action, that only a military transport could provide:
http://www.king5.com/news/JBLM-to-help-out-on-Sandy-176893941.html

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RE: An-225 No. 2 To Be Completed

Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:18 pm

can it be completed? It looks like its currently made from corrosion thanks to improper storage.
 
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RE: An-225 No. 2 To Be Completed

Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:38 am

Actually it looks to be in halfway decent shape. That's nothing some surface treatment and paint couldn't fix.
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RE: An-225 No. 2 To Be Completed

Fri Nov 09, 2012 3:13 pm

Quoting KC135Hydraulics (Reply 13):

That's what I was thinking too. Looks like there's a lot archeology that's going to need to happen to clean that up, but overall, I think it's quite workable. What really says all that to me is the fact that there are few if any subassy's fixed to that frame. It really is just a hulk at this point, which to me, means that it should be very useful conducive to further assembly.
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RE: An-225 No. 2 To Be Completed

Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:08 am

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 8):
Don't forget the Russian AF recently signed a contract for 39 IL-476s, which is an updated IL-76. Not quite a strategic lifter, but still this gives a boost to overall lift.

Is this a similar set up to the Il-76TD-90 that Volga-Dnepr and Silk Way use, or a stretched model like the Il-76MF that has been sold to Jordan (right?) or is it something else entirely?
 
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RE: An-225 No. 2 To Be Completed

Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:22 am

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 15):
Is this a similar set up to the Il-76TD-90 that Volga-Dnepr and Silk Way use, or a stretched model like the Il-76MF that has been sold to Jordan (right?) or is it something else entirely?

I think its like the TD-90 but with modern avionics and probably a reduced crew requirement as a result.
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RE: An-225 No. 2 To Be Completed

Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:21 am

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 15):
Is this a similar set up to the Il-76TD-90 that Volga-Dnepr and Silk Way use, or a stretched model like the Il-76MF that has been sold to Jordan (right?) or is it something else entirely?
Quoting KC135Hydraulics (Reply 16):
I think its like the TD-90 but with modern avionics and probably a reduced crew requirement as a result.

My understanding as well. Gone are the steam-powered flight instruments and in is the glass cockpit. Probably most flights can/will be done with 2 cockpit crew and a loadmaster. Longer-ranged flights will likely take a 3rd cockpit crew and an additional loadmaster/mechanic.

I believe PS90 engines will be used - are these OK in the West for Stage 3 compliance ?
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RE: An-225 No. 2 To Be Completed

Sat Nov 10, 2012 6:00 am

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 17):
I believe PS90 engines will be used - are these OK in the West for Stage 3 compliance ?

Not sure, but Volga-Dnepr brought a PS90 Il-76 into LAX a couple years back so I think they're better than whatever used to be hung underneath them at least, and the engine is used on the Tu-204 and Il-96 which operate into Europe on an occasional basis IIRC.
 
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RE: An-225 No. 2 To Be Completed

Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:59 pm

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 17):
Quoting Newark727 (Reply 18):

Just throwing it out there, but would they investigate the possibility of putting on fewer, more powerful engines?
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RE: An-225 No. 2 To Be Completed

Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:18 pm

Just ask Transaero to add a few 'spare' engines to their a-380 order. Sling 6 of those under the wings and that would be an impressive machine.
 
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RE: An-225 No. 2 To Be Completed

Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:13 pm

Quoting KC135Hydraulics (Reply 5):
What possible use would the Russian Air Force have for this?

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RE: An-225 No. 2 To Be Completed

Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:03 pm

Does it really make sense after so many years....
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