wahdadli
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President Obama's Asia Trip

Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:19 pm

I was wondering what route will he take once he takes off from the east coast.

Will he continue east or go west? fuel stops?
 
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RE: President Obama's Asia Trip

Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:23 pm

No fuel stops on AF1 baby! VC-25A It is capable of air-to-air refueling, way less risk than getting on the ground.

[Edited 2012-11-17 05:24:04]
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RE: President Obama's Asia Trip

Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:27 pm

Quoting B4REAL (Reply 1):
No fuel stops on AF1 baby! VC-25A It is capable of air-to-air refueling, way less risk than getting on the ground



Though it has the capability , it has never refuel in-flight. Strictly for emergency use.
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RE: President Obama's Asia Trip

Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:29 pm

Quoting United_fan (Reply 2):
Though it has the capability , it has never refuel in-flight. Strictly for emergency use.

Interesting! Didn't know that.
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RE: President Obama's Asia Trip

Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:34 pm

On a usual Asia trip he stops at one of the Air Force Base's in Alaska, typically Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson.
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RE: President Obama's Asia Trip

Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:52 pm

But I can CONFIRM on this trip he is stopping in Germany for fuel.
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RE: President Obama's Asia Trip

Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:19 pm

Might he stop in HNL on way back for a vacation?
 
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RE: President Obama's Asia Trip

Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:22 pm

Quoting trex8 (Reply 6):
Might he stop in HNL on way back for a vacation?

Can't tell if sarcasm or not, but no, he's working right through. Lands very late at Andrews and pardon's a turkey Wednesday.
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RE: President Obama's Asia Trip

Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:29 pm

Quoting plateman (Reply 7):

very true.
 
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RE: President Obama's Asia Trip

Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:31 pm

Another question... does AF1 (yes i know AF1 is any aircraft with the president onboard) fly at typically higher altitudes?
 
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RE: President Obama's Asia Trip

Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:48 am

Quoting United_fan (Reply 2):
Though it has the capability , it has never refuel in-flight. Strictly for emergency use.

While the VC-25s have probably not ever been air-to-air refueled with the president on board (or likely on any operational mission), they've certainly done it in test and training.

[Edited 2012-11-18 00:49:40]
 
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RE: President Obama's Asia Trip

Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:16 am

So now that the secretary of state is off to Israel, what aircraft is she on?
 
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RE: President Obama's Asia Trip

Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:22 pm

Never really thought about it but the 747 seems to be the only airplane with the refueling receptacle in front of the pilot. Not including all the probe aircraft of course.

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RE: President Obama's Asia Trip

Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:10 pm

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 12):


Never really thought about it but the 747 seems to be the only airplane with the refueling receptacle in front of the pilot. Not including all the probe aircraft of course.

A-10s have the receptacle in front of the pilot as does the B-1.
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RE: President Obama's Asia Trip

Wed Nov 21, 2012 2:49 am

Quoting wahdadli (Reply 11):
So now that the secretary of state is off to Israel, what aircraft is she on?

I'd guess that she's on a C-32 (757), although I have seen pics of her travelling on a C-17 with interior mods.

In theory, she also could have used the back-up VC-25, although I don't know how the Secret Service/Air Force would feel about that.

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RE: President Obama's Asia Trip

Wed Nov 21, 2012 5:17 am

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 14):

In theory, she also could have used the back-up VC-25, although I don't know how the Secret Service/Air Force would feel about that.

How would it be a back up if she was using it ?!
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RE: President Obama's Asia Trip

Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:54 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 15):
How would it be a back up if she was using it ?!

He could have figured that since the primary carries enough spare parts (seriously...it carries spares of any part that might break down), and that the C-32 lacks the range to make it from Southeast Asia to the Middle East (considering that it would be flying against a headwind and over some not-so-friendly countries), that he could sacrifice the spare VC-25.

Using Google Earth, I figure it to be some 3358.07 miles on a heading of 296 from Burma (which is where I believe where Hillary left from) to TLV. That's a straight line flight which would take it over such countries as Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, etc...countries that we might be hesitant to fly our VIP's over.

The only other way she could have gone would have been on a C-17.

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RE: President Obama's Asia Trip

Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:27 pm

I think She took the c-32

 
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RE: President Obama's Asia Trip

Wed Nov 21, 2012 9:40 pm

c-32 has inflight refuling capability and unrefuled range of 5,500nm
 
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RE: President Obama's Asia Trip

Thu Nov 22, 2012 2:20 am

In Cambodia the Air Force One is parked next to other executive B747s.

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RE: President Obama's Asia Trip

Thu Nov 22, 2012 7:55 pm

I got a chance to see Air Force One depart out of Don Mueang Monday morning.
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RE: President Obama's Asia Trip

Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:28 am

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 16):

He could have figured that since the primary carries enough spare parts (seriously...it carries spares of any part that might break down), and that the C-32 lacks the range to make it from Southeast Asia to the Middle East (considering that it would be flying against a headwind and over some not-so-friendly countries), that he could sacrifice the spare VC-25.

Not my point, the second VC25 is a back up for the first when it's operating as AF1.


So it can't be a back up for anything else.
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RE: President Obama's Asia Trip

Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:25 pm

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 16):

The only other way she could have gone would have been on a C-17.
Quoting dkswim (Reply 18):
c-32 has inflight refuling capability and unrefuled range of 5,500nm

They could have easily refuel in QATAR if needed.

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