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Iran: US ScanEagle Drone 'captured Over Gulf'

Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:30 pm

According to reports by the BBC, Iran has announced that it has captured a Boeing ScanEagle drone that infringed its airspace on multiple occasions.

Video footage provided: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20591336

US Navy reports that it has no unaccounted UAS in the region.

Video shows a ScanEagle in pretty good condition for either crash landing or shot down, maybe this just a prop? Whilst the US would obviously deny any airspace infringement, they did claim the RQ-170 that surfaced in Iran a year ago - attributing it to technical difficulties close to the border.
 
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RE: Iran: US ScanEagle Drone 'captured Over Gulf'

Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:47 pm

It doesn't mean this is a USN drone. The UAE operates some, too.
 
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RE: Iran: US ScanEagle Drone 'captured Over Gulf'

Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:30 pm

[i]"Rear Adm Fadavi said that "such drones are usually launched from large warships".[/]

He should really double check his talking points. The Scan Eagle was designed to operate from fishing trawlers and can be launched and captured from a small trailer towed by a good size truck.



Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):
The UAE operates some, too.

Do they own it or just lease the service from Boeing?

I believe Australia also are operating Scan Eagle. Are there any Australia war ships in the area?

If the lost UAV was a leased plane . . . I wonder if the insurance company will send out a team to get it back? 

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RE: Iran: US ScanEagle Drone 'captured Over Gulf'

Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:51 pm

Same day last year the RQ-170 US stealth drone was captured by Iran.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/213765.html

   

Now this...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20591336

What if... the US have put a virus in the software of this drone. As soon as Iran plugs it into their computers to see the latest technology.... kaboom! Their systems all get bugged!

  
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Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:01 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):
What if... the US have put a virus in the software of this drone. As soon as Iran plugs it into their computers to see the latest technology.... kaboom! Their systems all get bugged!

Trojan horse!

They'd get plenty of information if the drone was still transmitting during recovery efforts.
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Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:05 pm

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 4):
They'd get plenty of information if the drone was still transmitting during recovery efforts.

They give it rigged with hidden transmitters so they can spy into iranian reverse engineering weapons labs.
The US can see where all the devices are

  

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RE: Iran: US ScanEagle Drone 'captured Over Gulf'

Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:16 pm

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 2):

He should really double check his talking points. The Scan Eagle was designed to operate from fishing trawlers and can be launched and captured from a small trailer towed by a good size truck.

Precisely. There are numerous civillian Scan Eagles in use in the world. What is to stop Iran (probably using a puppet corporation) buying one second hand, painting it low viz grey with some stars on it and calling it a captured down US drone? The pictures I have seen don't show any obvious damage, but there is no reason the Iranians couldn't have orchestrated a forced landing to make it look even better for the cameras.
 
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RE: Iran: US ScanEagle Drone 'captured Over Gulf'

Tue Dec 04, 2012 5:19 pm

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 3):
What if... the US have put a virus in the software of this drone. As soon as Iran plugs it into their computers to see the latest technology.... kaboom! Their systems all get bugged!

Been there, done that. Getting it there just took a flash drive and/or laptop apparently.
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RE: Iran: US ScanEagle Drone 'captured Over Gulf'

Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:39 pm

Quoting GST (Reply 6):
What is to stop Iran (probably using a puppet corporation) buying one second hand

Although the Scan Eagle are used for Civil applications, the usage and control of which is tightly controlled by Boeing. So it is un-likely that Iran could get their hands on a copy, or even drawings.

Now if you said China or Russia provided them with the blue prints stolen from Boeing, then that is more plausible.

At it's heart, the Scan Eagle should have much highly sensitive hardware on it - other than perhaps any encryption devices that protect the communication link with the operator.


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RE: Iran: US ScanEagle Drone 'captured Over Gulf'

Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:29 pm

This is now denied by the US

US Navy says no drones missing in Middle East after Iran claims it has captured one

EHRAN, Iran – A U.S. Navy spokesman is discrediting Iran's claim Tehran captured a U.S. drone, saying no drones are missing in the Middle East.
The spokesman tells Fox News all U.S. drones have been accounted for in the area. Iran's state TV claimed Tuesday the country had captured a drone it says entered its airspace over the Persian Gulf.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/12...-it-has-captured-another-us-drone/

 

The UAE and Iran are long time business partners and rather on friendly terms. I don't see why Iran would have knocked down or captured a UAE drone and I don't see why a UAE drone would go flying over Iran territorial waters/ground.
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RE: Iran: US ScanEagle Drone 'captured Over Gulf'

Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:52 pm

No offense to Iran but even if they did shoot it down, this isn't a huge thing IMO. When I heard drone down I figured it would be a predator or a global hawk. A ScanEagle? C'mon, It's sophisticated and all but I can't figure there is a ton of sensitive information in a $100,000 drone.
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RE: Iran: US ScanEagle Drone 'captured Over Gulf'

Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:08 pm

Quoting jetblueguy22 (Reply 10):
No offense to Iran but even if they did shoot it down, this isn't a huge thing IMO. When I heard drone down I figured it would be a predator or a global hawk. A ScanEagle? C'mon, It's sophisticated and all but I can't figure there is a ton of sensitive information in a $100,000 drone.

The ScanEagle, on a spectrum from GlobalHawk down to Model Airplane, falls a lot closer to the model airplane end.
 
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RE: Iran: US ScanEagle Drone 'captured Over Gulf'

Tue Dec 04, 2012 10:05 pm

You can capture a Scan Eagle without having to shoot it down . . . it involves a long cable and a balloon

 

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RE: Iran: US ScanEagle Drone 'captured Over Gulf'

Wed Dec 05, 2012 1:42 am

This is why there will never be a drone fighter jet. Spoofing or jamming the signal is not rocket science. With Russians more than likely behind this, more drones will be lost.
 
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RE: Iran: US ScanEagle Drone 'captured Over Gulf'

Wed Dec 05, 2012 2:16 pm

Quoting yyzala (Reply 13):
With Russians more than likely behind this, more drones will be lost.

I was surprised that the Navy said that they already lost several Scan Eagle in the see (although none recently).

I guess that the benefit of using "inexpensive" drones, you can afford to lose them.


From the Wall Street Journal:

More than 1,600 have been sold to governments for defense operations and for civilian applications—including helping commercial fishing vessels locate schools of fish—according to Insitu Inc."

I am also surprised they built and sold that many!!! So, in theory, it may be easier to get your hands on one than I thouth.

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RE: Iran: US ScanEagle Drone 'captured Over Gulf'

Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:12 pm

Quoting bikerthai (Reply 8):
other than perhaps any encryption devices that protect the communication link with the operator.

Agreed, and I imagine that any actual encryption keys or similar would be pretty easily zeroed, either automatically or by the operator.

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