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Focke-Wulf 190 Restored In Norway

Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:24 am

A Focke-Wulf 190 of Nazi Germany has just been restored at the Bodø Iar Museum in Norway.

- Luftwaffe produced 20 000 such aircraft during World War II. Focke-Wulf 190 was Germany's main fighter, and succeeded Messersmidt, says Anders Utgård, who heads the Air Force Museum in Bodø.

Together with colleagues in the vaulantery association, he has worked on the plane that during the war was used in air attacks against Britain, the bombing of Soviet troops on the Eastern Front and in North Africa.

The new Fw 190 fighters were faster in both diving and climbing than RAF Spitfire Vb, and much better armed.

Fw 190 was in the latter part of World War II used on most fronts and in a variety of roles, even as torpedo aircraft the Black Sea.

On board the plane, there were also a bomb of 500 pounds.

- Focke Wulf was a pretty advanced aircraft of its time. It included two 20 millimeter machine guns and a huge BMV engine at over 1600 horsepower.

The plane that is now restored went down in Finnmark, in Northern Norway in 1943, and was found in the mid-1980s. For nearly 30 years, the Museum of Flight has worked to restore it.

- This is a rare jewel. There are only a handful left of Focke-Wulf 190 worldwide

Translated excerpt from Norwegian article. Check out video:

http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/distrikt/nordland/1.10887790

[Edited 2013-01-27 02:35:09]
 
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RE: Focke-Wulf 190 Restored In Norway

Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:55 pm

Takk for linken.
If you allow me, the Fw-190 was not the main fighter of the Luftwaffe, the Bf-109 was (some 34,000 were produced).
The Bf-109 is even regarded as the most produced fighter aircraft in history, period.
 
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Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:27 pm

The FW was a more flexible aircraft, more multi-role capability than the 109. By the end of the war the 109 had been stretched about as far as it could go. a newer Me design should have gone into production 42-43. The DB-605 engine was every bit as good as the Merlin, it needed a better airframe than the 109. The FW-D model or "Dora" was considered one of the highest performance fighters of the war. Like most of the late war designs it was too little too late to stop the avalanche of material and machines from the US and Russia. The FW was in line with many of the German war designs, fine weapons that they couldn't build enough of or provide trained men to operate.
 
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RE: Focke-Wulf 190 Restored In Norway

Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:13 am

Quoting cmb56 (Reply 2):
The FW was in line with many of the German war designs, fine weapons that they couldn't build enough of or provide trained men to operate

They were able to produce plenty of them. In the end it was a lack of qualified pilots that did them in. No rotation home to a training command for a Luftwaffe pilot. You flew until the war ended or were blown out of sky.
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Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:43 am

Actualy the Fw 190 was the last new German aicraft to be built in really large numbers. The German gamble was a short war, and the main types of the first campaigns - Bf 109, Bf 110, He 111, Ju 87 - were all kept in production for too long. According to one of my books as much as 14,000 Bf 109s were built in 1944 - I guess there was a shift towards fighters - and so it seems that the Bf 109 was numerically more important even at the end of the war.
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RE: Focke-Wulf 190 Restored In Norway

Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:54 pm

Agreed the Me-109 was the most produced fighter of the war.
The IL-2 was probably the most produced combat aircraft overall.
In general terms Germany wasted resourses on high quality weapons like the Tiger and Panther tanks the Me-262 jet fighter and V2 rocket. Great weapons that ended up overwhelmed in numbers by lesser quality but massive numbers of American or Russian designs. Me-262s could not be caught while they were at altitude but they had to land. Hard to do when the P-51s or Tempests are orbiting your own airfield. Shortage of pilots played its part as well. At the end of the war there were hundreds of brand new fighters sitting around but no one left alive to fly them. My father spent 3 years overseas in a combat zone, the greater tragedy to me is nothing was learned by anyone. Look at our world today.
 
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Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:52 am

Quoting cmb56 (Reply 5):
At the end of the war there were hundreds of brand new fighters sitting around but no one left alive to fly them.

Right! Here in Denmark at VE-Day there were endless rows of rail-cars parked with new Fw-190s which only needed to have wings and propeller mounted. But few qualified pilots and almost no fuel.

They were driven over by Royal Army tanks and sold locally as scrap.

They were said to be of very poor quality since they were hastily built by mostly slave workers.
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RE: Focke-Wulf 190 Restored In Norway

Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:20 am

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):

My understanding of FW190 was its performance at high attitude was significantly reduced, it does excel at mid to low attitude envelope of engagement. The DORA version was a better all rounder, even at high attitude, is this a correct understanding?

The designation of BF 109 vs Me 109, I recall reading a book that before the war begins, the designation was BF109, notably the BF-109B and BF109C model or even the famous E model.
Starting with F and the later G model, the designation has always been ME instead of BF. Again, is this a correct statement?
 
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RE: Focke-Wulf 190 Restored In Norway

Tue Feb 05, 2013 1:42 am

Quoting celestar (Reply 7):
My understanding of FW190 was its performance at high attitude was significantly reduced, it does excel at mid to low attitude envelope of engagement. The DORA version was a better all rounder, even at high attitude, is this a correct understanding?

Yes, thanks to getting another engine. By the way it's the Fw 190D and Dora is simply from the German spelling alphabet.

Quoting celestar (Reply 7):
The designation of BF 109 vs Me 109, I recall reading a book that before the war begins, the designation was BF109, notably the BF-109B and BF109C model or even the famous E model.
Starting with F and the later G model, the designation has always been ME instead of BF. Again, is this a correct statement?

No, the 109's designation always remained Bf 109 (lower case f space), for Bayerische Flugzeugwerke (Bavarian Aircraft Works), Willy Messerschmitt's company. Later Messerschmitt types including the Me 163, 210 and 262 got Me.
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RE: Focke-Wulf 190 Restored In Norway

Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:21 pm

The last versions on ME 109 got a new tail in plastic without the support that the older versions had and could reach 720 kilometers per hour the same as Spitfire XIV and the last versions of Mustang.

The later version of FW 190 "longnose" was in another leage together with Hawker Tempest, and had higher speeds. Pierre Closterman (One of the big aces of wwII) described it this way and he had chance to test them after VE.

The ME 262 all together 10 years more advanced and could perhaps be prepared to Meteor. If Hitler would had accepted it in 1943 the allied forces would probebly not got free skies over Germany in 1944 and german war production of new submarines could have ended the idea about Normandie in 1944.

The allied even stopped intending kill Hitler because they considered his misstakes helped them more compared to get rid of him and fight a germany without him  
 
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RE: Focke-Wulf 190 Restored In Norway

Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:39 am

Quoting olle (Reply 9):
The ME 262 all together 10 years more advanced and could perhaps be prepared to Meteor. If Hitler would had accepted it in 1943 the allied forces would probebly not got free skies over Germany in 1944 and german war production of new submarines could have ended the idea about Normandie in 1944.

Very, very debatable. The engines simple were not there until mid-44. And that had nothing to do with Hitler's orders to make the Me-262 into a fighter-bomber.
 
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RE: Focke-Wulf 190 Restored In Norway

Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:46 am

Thanks for the clarification on Me vs Bf on 109 question.
I was not aware of the plastic tail model on Bf 109 which achieves such a high speed. Is it the K model or ?
Is technology on plastic that advanced during WW II? I am really interested to hear more.
The FW190D model is an interesting plane, with its long nose (bigger engine perhaps) and I think, still the same wing span like the other FW190 model. So, the non-D version suffers poor performance at high attitude is attributable to the BMW engine power it had? I hope I understant this correctly!
In addition to the comments about introducing Me 262 earlier, I can't agree more but it is true that Hilter helps Germany to loose the war and maybe that is a good outcome as lesser people got killed in air combat action. One last comment, German Air Force should adopt more FW than Bf 109 as inherently, the Bf109 undercarriage is so prone to accidental damage during landing, whereas the FW190 has a much wider tolerance on its undercarriage design, which brought to be an interesting thoughts, did US Army lost a lot of Wildcat during landing? Wildcat has a rotund shape but its undercarriage is always an 'interesting' design...
Hellcat is a great plane but it is kind of too common looking, functional excellent but looks wise, too common....
 
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RE: Focke-Wulf 190 Restored In Norway

Wed Feb 20, 2013 12:13 am

The term plastic with regard to WWII aircraft is not what we think of as plastic today. The RAF Mosqito was technically a plastic aircraft. A composite of balsa, plywood, and resins. So the Germans began to have parts of their aircraft made from wood composites also. The last models of the 109 did have performance to match the Mustang but the pilots who could use that were gone. When the 109 was loaded up with guns to shoot down bombers it's performance suffered very badly. The landing gear on the 109 comes from it's pre-war roots. The airframe was designed to be as small as possible and accept the larges engine available. The gear being bolted to the fuselage instead of the wing helped keep the size and weight small. When the later big engine DB-605 was installed the airframe was overmatched by the horsepower. The 109F model was generally considered to be the best version. Light, fast, manueverable, lightly armed.

The FW-190D model had an inline V12 made by Junkers to replace the BMW radial. Very big change and also the source of the name long nose Dora. The fuselage was extended to counter the weight of the engine by inserting a plug between the tail and main fuselage. The D model was one of the best performing piston engine fighters of the war. Like many German weapons it was too late and in too few numbers to turn the tide.
 
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RE: Focke-Wulf 190 Restored In Norway

Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:31 am

Thanks for clarifying the 'plastic' subject.
Interesting to hear the Bf 109F was considered the best model, I always read that it is the lightest armed and not very effective, I guess it depends on the role. Would have think the G model, without the two heavy underwing gun, would be the best all-rounder.
 
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RE: Focke-Wulf 190 Restored In Norway

Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:35 pm

The pilots, as I understand it did not get enough of fuel in the schools to learn the basics. They spent more time getting idealic thought that was going to compensate...

This resulted in that the Luftwaffe used gasoline of low quality and they gave a lot of smoke even so much that allied aircrews considered them damaged because of the smoke.

The main problem was that the german population got stucked with a group of criminals as government who first started a war instead of handling internal economical problems in 1939 and that when the war was obviusly lost in 1944 did more take care of them self then the german people.

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