neutronstar73
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F-22 Pilot Cleared In Fatal Alaska Crash

Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:28 pm

Don't know if anyone remembers this, but Capt Jeff Haney, an F-22 Raptor pilot who crashed due to loss of consciousness due to suffocation, has been cleared by the DoD Inspector General of any errors related to his crash.

Amazingly, the USAF in its initial report, in a desperate bid to protect the F-22 and sully the name and reputation of a good pilot, blamed Haney for "failing to maintain control of the aircraft by being distracted" while he basically suffocated. Absolutely ridiculous conclusion from the accident investigation, and the DoD IG really took the Air Force report to task for blaming the pilot for being distracted by the fact that HE WAS NOT CONSCIOUS DUE TO LACK OF AIR TO HIS BRAIN.

I certainly hope some heads got the chop because of this fiasco.

http://news.yahoo.com/dod-air-force-...44413856--abc-news-topstories.html
 
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RE: F-22 Pilot Cleared In Fatal Alaska Crash

Tue Feb 12, 2013 3:17 am

No, he wasn't cleared. DoD IG simply disagrees with the Air Force. The Air Force "said it convened its own special task force to review its investigation, and the task force found the original conclusions were adequately supported."

You should read before you post. Also I suggest reading the Air Force reports. They never said there wasn't an oxygen problem...they blamed him because he didn't recognize the symptoms of hypoxia and turn on his emergency oxygen.

Personally I feel that 'blaming' him was a tad strong, although pilots are trained to recognize the symptoms and take action, much like a commercial crew would.

No one is going to get chopped as you put it, lol...

I also find it humorous that you would put in " in a desperate bid to protect the F-22 and sully the name and reputation of a good pilot" as if you knew this to be fact...when in fact it is NOT fact.
 
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RE: F-22 Pilot Cleared In Fatal Alaska Crash

Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:45 pm

Actually i agree that the Air Force hung this guy out to dry in order to protect the program.

Honestly it probably wouldnt be the first time.
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RE: F-22 Pilot Cleared In Fatal Alaska Crash

Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:10 pm

Quoting checksixx (Reply 1):
You should read before you post. Also I suggest reading the Air Force reports. They never said there wasn't an oxygen problem...they blamed him because he didn't recognize the symptoms of hypoxia and turn on his emergency oxygen.

Ahem....I am very familiar with the IG process (worked with IG plenty of times) so I suggest you go back and read before YOU post. IG's report will have a rebuttal by the AF, and the AF will likely have to go back and review its processes and analysis. SO in other words, until the AF does that, Haney is cleared, because the AF investigation failed. How?. IG said the AF conclusions were not "supported by facts or clear and convincing standard of proof." Also, "the inspector general also said the Air Force’s 2011 conclusions violated a regulation that says findings “must be supported by credible evidence that shows it is highly probable that the conclusion is correct.”

Try researching before you post.

And yes, someone in the investigatory chain of command will get faceshot.
 
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RE: F-22 Pilot Cleared In Fatal Alaska Crash

Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:00 pm

Quoting checksixx (Reply 1):
The Air Force "said it convened its own special task force to review its investigation, and the task force found the original conclusions were adequately supported."

Of course the Air Force would say this. It is a meaningless phrase intended to mitigate their poor performance by the AIB. This is also essentially what the Air Force said after a court found that it was not pilot error (as the AF claimed) that killed an F-16 pilot but a known wire chafing design flaw by GD.

From the original AFAIB report

"During the [mishap sortie], the [mishap pilot] most likely experienced a sense similar to suffocation when airflow to the oxygen mask stopped," the report says. "This was likely the [pilot's] first experience under such physiological duress. The unique and added stress of the breathing restriction contributed to the [pilot's] channelized attention."

1. "when airflow to the oxygen mask stopped." Gang banging the emergency oxygen may not have alleviated the absence of oxygen.

2. "pilot's first experience"... "unique and added stress of breathing restriction"..."suffocation." AF training for hypoxia is based on insidious onset---time to recognize the symptoms and act accordingly. This was not hypoxia (the shortage of oxygen) this was apoxia (the absence of oxygen). I am sure you remember from your AF flight physiological training that you are not taught what to do if the oxygen flow stops abruptly. The pilot, for all we know, may have thought there was a kink in his oxygen hose and was trying to determine, under atypical conditions, how to correct this problem."

It was, therefore, unreasonable for the AIB to conclude

"By clear and convincing evidence, I find the cause of the mishap was the [pilot's] failure to recognize and initiate a timely dive recovery due to channelized attention, breakdown of visual scan and unrecognized spatial disorientation," the president of the investigation board, Brig. Gen. James Browne, said in conclusion.

These issue alone cast doubt on the "clear and convincing evidence" argument. What BG Browne describes as causative are in fact consequences of another event clearly determined to be a critical, life-threatening problem with the F-22's oxygen system.

Blame Jeff Haney, who is not here to defend himself, and the AIB can feel as if it has done something meaningful and can move on with the problem uncorrected, rather than blame the design and operation of the equipment which may not be easily fixed without spending a lot of money and creates a litigation environment with the manufacturer with whom the AF has a fiduciary relationship.

Nope, nothing new here.
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RE: F-22 Pilot Cleared In Fatal Alaska Crash

Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:02 am

Quoting neutronstar73 (Reply 3):
Ahem....I am very familiar with the IG process (worked with IG plenty of times) so I suggest you go back and read before YOU post. IG's report will have a rebuttal by the AF, and the AF will likely have to go back and review its processes and analysis. SO in other words, until the AF does that, Haney is cleared, because the AF investigation failed. How?. IG said the AF conclusions were not "supported by facts or clear and convincing standard of proof." Also, "the inspector general also said the Air Force’s 2011 conclusions violated a regulation that says findings “must be supported by credible evidence that shows it is highly probable that the conclusion is correct.”

Try researching before you post.

And yes, someone in the investigatory chain of command will get faceshot.

What you are posting is NOT factual...plain and simple. Again...I DID read the report, I suggest you do the same.

Quoted directly from the report:

"What We Recommend

We recommend that the Judge Advocate General of the Air Force reevaluate the AIB report and take appropriate action in light of the findings in this report regarding the AIB report Statement of Opinion and other deficiencies."

They recommend...they don't make any changes. Nor are they empowered too. He has NOT been cleared by this findings report. Only the JAG can do that.

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