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Saab Signs Agreement With FMV Gripen E

Fri Feb 15, 2013 6:44 am

Swedish government (FMV) signs agreement for development of Gripen E/F that will finally replace the Gripen C/D in the Swedish airforce.

The amount is for up to 47 500 million SEK (7,5 billion USD) for around 60 fighter jets, including cost for development.


Source in Swedish...

http://www.svd.se/naringsliv/bransch...om-nytt-stridsflygplan_7916366.svd
 
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RE: Saab Signs Agreement With FMV Gripen E

Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:54 am

Thats good and the only sensible thing to do even if Swedish (especially right wing)
media is doing the best their can to convince the readers how sh-tty it is and that we
should rather spend themoney on American planes instead despite that it would be
much more costly.  
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RE: Saab Signs Agreement With FMV Gripen E

Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:37 pm

This is by far the most sensible thing to do,we can also ad up the number of fighters at a reasonable cost in future if we need to....
Then we should ad up a membership to NATO also to make the level of secutity " a bit" higher  
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RE: Saab Signs Agreement With FMV Gripen E

Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:51 am

I am not an expert on defense matter but I always ponder on this type of question.
You spend so much money on new plane development and manufacturing, and yet you cannot affort to have a sizable number of aircraft in the air-force, it seems the maintenance and operation of the aircraft exceeded the investment on building new plane.
I can see this is good for Swedish military industry but I would have expect the new E/F model to co-exist with the previous C/D model and the number of aircraft grows. It seems the reality is otherwise.
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RE: Saab Signs Agreement With FMV Gripen E

Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:49 pm

Quoting celestar (Reply 3):

Its called budget cuts. The military budget have been decreased over and over and
over again the past 20-30 years and today there is hardly anything left of the Swedish armed forces.
Probably also a very top heavy organization.

A small budget but still needs for acquiring of new materiel like artillery (we only have 12 Archers),
new Submarines (2 Type A26 on order) and we also needs an anti-air defence
as we currently don't have any at all.

Also the Gripen aircraft is not that maintenance "heavy" but rather the opposite.

I also think that acquiring new aircrafts and developing our own is to sort of
support the domestic manufacturers like Saab. Although in some cases like with new IFV,
FMV opted for a non-Swedish manufacturer despite having a equivalent domestic option.

Even if the acquiring cost might be higher, I think it still could be of benefit for the country to keep
the jobs within the country.

Personally I think the Governments that have been involved in the Gripen decisions
have made the right decisions in keeping the Gripen-project alive.
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RE: Saab Signs Agreement With FMV Gripen E

Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:52 am

Quoting thunderboltdrgn (Reply 4):
Its called budget cuts. The military budget have been decreased over and over and
over again the past 20-30 years

To say at the least.....
By 1960, we had the fourth largest air force in the world with over 1000! units
As late as 1994 we had approx 400 fighters in service left.
At the end of 2005 we were down to 150....
2013.... approximately 100..?
2015- 60-80?
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RE: Saab Signs Agreement With FMV Gripen E

Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:06 am

Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 5):
By 1960, we had the fourth largest air force in the world with over 1000! units

A a bit unsustainable, isn't, with the 88th population in the world.
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RE: Saab Signs Agreement With FMV Gripen E

Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:50 am

Quoting ptrjong (Reply 6):
A a bit unsustainable, isn't, with the 88th population in the world.

The point was to visualize the downsize within the Swedish air force,not to claim that we should have a 1000 fighters at present today...
Also, one Gripen today can do the job that required 2 or 3 Viggen in the 1970,s so.... so in that sense its difficult to just compared total numbers of fighters.... 
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RE: Saab Signs Agreement With FMV Gripen E

Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:18 pm

also have in mind that the main goal of Swedish airforce has always been to sink an russian invasion fleets in the batlics and to destroy bridges and transports in north in case of invasion.

This was in the 60s and 70s done with Viggen AJ and Lansen using RB04 and later RB15.

Today the RB15 has become a cruising missile with very long range and also GPS capabilities. This means that a lot tasks that 20 years ago (carry a RB15) needed a Viggen or Gripen. Today a truck do the same job.

Even the Swedish navy does not need to leave harbour to reach major part of baltic sea.

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