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Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:59 am

This past weekend President Obama visited South Florida. He parked Air Force One at Galaxy Aviation on the south ramp at PBI - my home airport - for part of 4 days. The problem is where Air Force One parked is the regular parking spot for Donald Trump's 757. During the winter, Trump flies into PBI almost every weekend. This weekend was no exception (in fact he flew in and out twice), but was forced to park his 757 on the opposite side of the airport, close to the main passenger terminal. It's the first time I have ever seen Trump's plane get trumped. Wonder if this was a little payback for all the criticism Trump handed Obama during the recent election?
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:23 am

Quoting canyonblue17 (Thread starter):
Wonder if this was a little payback for all the criticism Trump handed Obama during the recent election?

Karmic payback perhaps, but it certainly wasn't planned that way. The Air Force doesn't play those games, and they'll park wherever it's best for them. And whoever is normally in those spots will have to find somewhere else, no matter who they are.

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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:39 am

Quoting canyonblue17 (Thread starter):
He parked Air Force One at Galaxy Aviation

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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:51 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
Karmic payback perhaps, but it certainly wasn't planned that way.

Wanna bet Trump has a whole different story though?
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:25 am

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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:34 am

Now lets find Rupert Murdoch's ...
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:46 am

Where the 757 normally parks. Is it shootable?
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:37 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 6):
Where the 757 normally parks. Is it shootable?

Bad choice of words when talking about where Air Force One is parked...   
 
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:49 pm

Yeah, that is an unfortunate choice of words. Posted 5 hours ago? I'd say 727Lover is probably just about ending the cavity search of a lifetime.
 
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:02 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 6):
Where the 757 normally parks. Is it shootable?


Yes and no. It is usually parked close enough to the fence line without any large hangers in front of it, but there are frequently other bizjets parked around it. If you flightaware alert his tail number N757AF, his flights in and out are usually quite predictable this time of year (arrives most Fridays - departs most Sundays/Mondays), so shooting landings or takeoffs is very possible.
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Wed Feb 20, 2013 9:41 pm

Just got word that when Trump first arrived his 757 taxied over and went nose to nose with Air Force One. Apparently it was arranged in advance. Both flight crews got out, toured the other aircraft, and took photos, before Trump's aircraft was moved to the north side of the airport.
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Thu Feb 21, 2013 12:45 am

There's definitely a birth certificate conspiracy involved here..
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:18 am

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 10):


Just got word that when Trump first arrived his 757 taxied over and went nose to nose with Air Force One. Apparently it was arranged in advance. Both flight crews got out, toured the other aircraft, and took photos, before Trump's aircraft was moved to the north side of the airport.

I find this extremely hard to believe.


Why on earth would the AF 1 Crew allow a civilian Aircraft, regardless of who it belongs to to come anywhere near their Aircraft ? let alone allow anyone who does not have business aboard (and has been cleared by the secret service)



No one gets aboard AF1 without a very good reason.
Especially anyone connected to 'The Donald !' not exactly our President's biggest fan.



Calling BS on this one, unless of course you can substantiate your account.
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Thu Feb 21, 2013 11:40 am

This isn't the first time one of Trump's planes has parked at a place other than the Galaxy Aviation hangar area. Here's a shot from back when Trump had his 727 and it's over by the Jet Aviation hangars at PBI:

http://binged.it/11X0fQ3

Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
The Air Force doesn't play those games, and they'll park wherever it's best for them.

Doesn't the Secret Service determine things like that?
 
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Thu Feb 21, 2013 4:20 pm

There is a perception that the Secret Service can just park Air Force One anywhere they please but it's really a concert act with a lot of players to plan the right spot out for security and logistics, etc. Because it's Air Force One they can pretty much get what they want but they too still have to work with the owners and operators for rights and permissions at civilian airports.
 
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Fri Feb 22, 2013 8:06 pm

Is it "first come first served" or a actual assigned leased space?
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Sun Feb 24, 2013 5:01 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 12):
Calling BS on this one, unless of course you can substantiate your account.



I can't reveal the sources, but the information is accurate. Air Force One is a very regular visitor to PBI as is Trump's 757.
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:37 am

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 16):
I can't reveal the sources,

Nonsense.


If such an event took place there would be pictures. You cannot substantiate it in any way and, as I said there is no way
the AF1 crew and / or the Secret service would have allowed it.
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Mon Feb 25, 2013 4:22 am

Agreed...totally bogus. That would never be allowed in a situation like that.
 
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:09 pm

Quoting checksixx (Reply 18):
Agreed...totally bogus. That would never be allowed in a situation like that.

Just because you don't believe it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. The source, a witness, remains completely credible. This was likely arranged ahead of time (again, both aircraft are regulars at this airport and both use the same parking ramp). No photos for public consumption, taken late at night. Check my history of posts and see how many times I've posted unsubstantiated rumors.
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Mon Feb 25, 2013 9:16 pm

Trump is also starting to fly his recently purchased Citation X to PBI.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N725DT

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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:18 pm

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 20):
Trump is also starting to fly his recently purchased Citation X to PBI.



I have been told the Citation X is for his daughter....I recently posted the first photo in the database of N725DT at PBI.
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:35 pm

Had a second witness verify the meeting of the two aircraft. I was also informed some of the Air Force One crew were invited and welcomed at Trump International Country Club, which is a few blocks from PBI.
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:18 am

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 19):
Just because you don't believe it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. The source, a witness, remains completely credible. This was likely arranged ahead of time (again, both aircraft are regulars at this airport and both use the same parking ramp). No photos for public consumption, taken late at night. Check my history of posts and see how many times I've posted unsubstantiated rumors.

Then post something that can validate it. The setup as you describe would be in major violation of the normal security protocols in place for any AF1 aircraft.
 
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:38 am

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 22):
Had a second witness verify the meeting of the two aircraft. I was also informed some of the Air Force One crew were invited and welcomed at Trump International Country Club, which is a few blocks from PBI.

Talk is cheap !
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:55 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 24):
Talk is cheap !



This isn't talk, these are extremely credible people that witnessed what happened. Simply put - it happened, whether you want to believe it or not is up to you. Obviously no one from the Air Force One or Trump flight crews have enough interest to post on this forum - why would they - but what I have posted is accurate.
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Tue Feb 26, 2013 5:41 pm

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 25):


This isn't talk, these are extremely credible people that witnessed what happened. Simply put - it happened, whether you want to believe it or not is up to you. Obviously no one from the Air Force One or Trump flight crews have enough interest to post on this forum - why would they - but what I have posted is accurate.

No, nothing is credible without evidence.


The security around AF1 is without precedent, in fact the highest for any Aircraft in the world.


Your account defies logic, to believe it you would have to assume, for unknown reasons that all existing security protocols for the President of the United States Aircraft were temporarily waived for a 'private tour'


It's just unbelievable regardless of how many 'credible sources' you have, it is striking that all these sources have no evidence of this event !
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Tue Feb 26, 2013 6:21 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 26):
The security around AF1 is without precedent, in fact the highest for any Aircraft in the world.

Your account defies logic, to believe it you would have to assume, for unknown reasons that all existing security protocols for the President of the United States Aircraft were temporarily waived for a 'private tour'

It's just unbelievable regardless of how many 'credible sources' you have, it is striking that all these sources have no evidence of this event !

While I would find it surprising that Trump's crew got a tour, I don't find it impossible to believe, without evidence to the contrary. It's not like Obama was sleeping in the front when Trump's 57 rolled up, or that the claim is they got a run-down of every security secret. I'm sure the VC-25 crews know how to give tours without enabling espionage.
 
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:24 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 26):
No, nothing is credible without evidence.

Those that follow most organized religions would disagree.

Quoting Max Q (Reply 26):
The security around AF1 is without precedent, in fact the highest for any Aircraft in the world.

I agree, but that doesn't mean this didn't happen. And I have been on the tarmac within 100 feet of Air Force One to photograph it - courtesy of that security.

Quoting Max Q (Reply 26):
all existing security protocols for the President of the United States Aircraft were temporarily waived for a 'private tour'

This assumes you know what all the security protocols are.
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Tue Feb 26, 2013 8:25 pm

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 28):

Reply 28, posted Tue Feb 26 2013 14:24:06 your local time (50 minutes 55 secs ago) and read 23 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 26):
No, nothing is credible without evidence.

Those that follow most organized religions would disagree.

I thought you had evidence, now we are supposed to take it on 'faith' !!!

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 28):

Quoting Max Q (Reply 26):
The security around AF1 is without precedent, in fact the highest for any Aircraft in the world.

I agree, but that doesn't mean this didn't happen. And I have been on the tarmac within 100 feet of Air Force One to photograph it - courtesy of that security.

Interesting, even if that is true it's not the same as:


a) Claiming an individuals (The 'Donald's' no less, as we know, not the greatest of Obama fans) civilian aircraft was allowed to park right next to AF1.



b) Claiming the Civilian Pilots of this Aircraft were given a private tour of AF 1 despite having no business on board, being allowed to access the most secure Military Transport in the world.

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 28):


Quoting Max Q (Reply 26):
all existing security protocols for the President of the United States Aircraft were temporarily waived for a 'private tour'



This assumes you know what all the security protocols are.

I know that no one gets aboard AF1 without a damn good reason. You assume that people will believe this nonsense, it would be a lot more believable if some evidence was provided, so far you have provided none and that will not change.


You shouldn't believe everything you hear you know !
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:12 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 29):
You shouldn't believe everything you hear you know !



I don't. But you shouldn't dismiss everything either. You should consider the source and use your best judgement. My best judgement tells me the two independent sources with no bias who both gave the same account of the event they witnessed in person was accurate. Believe it, don't believe it. Your call. Either way, have a nice day.
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Tue Feb 26, 2013 9:16 pm

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 30):
You should consider the source

What source ?

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 30):
and use your best judgement

I have done !
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Tue Feb 26, 2013 10:27 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 31):
What source ?



Me - and the two witnesses who first brought this to my attention.

Quoting Max Q (Reply 31):
I have done !



And yet you are still wrong.
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:16 pm

Quoting canyonblue17 (Thread starter):
This past weekend President Obama visited South Florida. He parked Air Force One at Galaxy Aviation on the south ramp at PBI - my home airport - for part of 4 days.

this when he came down to play golf with Tiger Woods? I thought Air Force was putting an end to non essential flying - that is why they are talking about grounding the Thunderbirds and Blue Angels

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 10):
Just got word that when Trump first arrived his 757 taxied over and went nose to nose with Air Force One. Apparently it was arranged in advance. Both flight crews got out, toured the other aircraft, and took photos, before Trump's aircraft was moved to the north side of the airport.

Did Trump ask for certificate of manufacture for Air Force One?   
 
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Tue Feb 26, 2013 11:32 pm

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 33):
this when he came down to play golf with Tiger Woods?

Yes.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 33):
Did Trump ask for certificate of manufacture for Air Force One?

Luv it!
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:21 am

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 32):


Quoting Max Q (Reply 31):
What source ?



Me - and the two witnesses who first brought this to my attention.

Your unsubstantiated account with anonymous 'witnesses' is not a source !


If this really happened there would be some evidence, funny that I can't find any, you can't provide any and neither can anyone else.


Sounds a lot like religion actually !
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Wed Feb 27, 2013 4:10 am

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 32):
Me - and the two witnesses who first brought this to my attention.

Right...you (who was NOT there) and these two mystery witnesses. Too easy...name your witnesses and/or have them provide/post a photo. Shouldn't be too hard since this was a completely civilian, arranged/staged PR event, and you are posting about it here.
 
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:15 am

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 32):

Are you aware of the Karl Sagan quote "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"? whilst this is not what he was talking about I think it applies. Put up or shut up.
 
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:00 pm

I will not

Quoting Max Q (Reply 35):
If this really happened there would be some evidence



There is plenty of evidence, just not for public consumption. Wouldn't be the first time something involving the military/government wasn't conducted for the public. I stand by my witnesses, who I cannot reveal, because of their role during the event. They have never provided me incorrect information in the past. They are very knowledgeable when it comes to PBI aircraft operations, and as such, they are extremely important to me.
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Wed Feb 27, 2013 11:38 pm

Usually against my better judgement to contribute to an AF1 thread... but..

I worked AF1 ground support at ADW at one point in my career. AF1 tours were rare but they did occur at the Commanders discretion. However only at invitation of the Aircraft Commander

Tour of AF1 by Trumps crews? Plausible, particularly if they went out of their way to accomodate AF1.

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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:21 am

Quoting zanl188 (Reply 39):
Usually against my better judgement to contribute to an AF1 thread... but..

I understand.....and fully appreciate your willingness to comment.
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:25 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 35):
If this really happened there would be some evidence, funny that I can't find any, you can't provide any and neither can anyone else.

Like the evidence of Obama playing golf with Tiger that the press corp was upset they couldn't get?

Come on Max, I doubt they would have CNN following them along. Is it not possible that when the air force or secret service team was in town the weekend earlier a favor was asked, someone has a common friend, etc?

I realize that in a world where we have gone seemingly security insane this may seem improbable, but I've gotten tours of many things simply by asking. Yeah yeah I get it, it's AF1. Nevertheless, someone wins Powerball, someone sleeps with Kate Upton, and now and then I bet that someone gets a private tour of AF1.
 
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:30 am

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 38):

There is plenty of evidence, just not for public consumption.

Evidence that is not shown or revealed is not evidence, just rumour or hearsay.


You have no credibility.

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 38):
I stand by my witnesses, who I cannot reveal, because of their role during the event.

I stand by my belief that the sun will start rising in the west, I just can't provide any evidence of this, reveal who told me and when it will start happening, just trust me.

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 38):
They are very knowledgeable when it comes to PBI aircraft operations, and as such, they are extremely important to me.

Well, that says it all then.



I am still calling BS and your claim will remain BS unless you substantiate it.
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:20 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 42):
I am still calling BS and your claim will remain BS unless you substantiate it.

It will remain BS to you - clearly not to many others.

Quoting Max Q (Reply 42):
You have no credibility

With you - but with those who know me, and those that have taken the chance to try, I'm doing just fine.
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:35 am

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 43):


Quoting Max Q (Reply 42):
I am still calling BS and your claim will remain BS unless you substantiate it.

It will remain BS to you - clearly not to many others.

Not to anyone, apart from your mystery sources and witnesses !
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:52 am

Dumb question regarding Trump's 757, and I'm not trying to be a smart ass. What's its FAA callsign? I mean I might wanna download it into FSX, and I strive for accuracy.

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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:01 am

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 38):
There is plenty of evidence, just not for public consumption. Wouldn't be the first time something involving the military/government wasn't conducted for the public. I stand by my witnesses, who I cannot reveal, because of their role during the event.

So it was secret or sensitive information then? So your witnesses could have violated their non-disclosure agreements by disclosing to you? You who now posted it to a public forum? So you're a party to the leakage of sensitive information then?
 
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Thu Feb 28, 2013 1:02 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 44):
Not to anyone

Clearly you haven't read all the responses in this forum.

Quoting checksixx (Reply 46):
So it was secret or sensitive information then? So your witnesses could have violated their non-disclosure agreements by disclosing to you? You who now posted it to a public forum? So you're a party to the leakage of sensitive information then?

Never said anything about non-disclosure agreements. There are plenty of job-related reasons for not being named as a source. In this case, it is a simple matter of respect. My sources are way too valuable to me. They have never given me incorrect information in the past - and I want to make sure they continue to provide me with information. That reason alone is worth not outting them in this forum just to satisfy everyone's need to understand how credible they are.
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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:04 pm

Quoting zanl188 (Reply 39):

Tour of AF1 by Trumps crews? Plausible, particularly if they went out of their way to accomodate AF1.

Thanks zanl188 for your comment. I would add that the following possibility:

If who ever crew the Trump plane were AF reservists, it would have been easier to clear them for access because more likely than not their security clearance would be up to date.

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RE: Air Force One Takes Trump's Parking Spot

Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:16 am

Quoting canyonblue17 (Reply 47):
Never said anything about non-disclosure agreements. There are plenty of job-related reasons for not being named as a source. In this case, it is a simple matter of respect. My sources are way too valuable to me. They have never given me incorrect information in the past - and I want to make sure they continue to provide me with information. That reason alone is worth not outting them in this forum just to satisfy everyone's need to understand how credible they are.

You're right...I did. You keep up with the 'not for the public' stance, yet your sources have leaked it to the public. They have violated non-disclosure agreements. Plain and simple. You seem to be crafting each explanation as the inquiry here changes. 'They' have no credibility here as its just you telling this tale.

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