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Japan's Military Chief Says F-35 Is "best Fighter"

Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:23 pm

Shigeru Iwasaki, chief of the Japanese Self-Defence Forces said on Wednesday that Lockheed Martin's F-35 fighters were the best choice for the nation's future operational needs as Tokyo wrestles with tensions with China and increasingly belligerent North Korea.

Iwasaki, a veteran fighter pilot who used to fly F-15s, "believe the F-35 is the best fighter, when we think about Japan's future national security."

Japan, one of the closest U.S. allies in Asia, has remained steadfast in its plans to buy 42 F-35s, with the first four planes scheduled for delivery by March 2017.

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http://ca.news.yahoo.com/japans-mili...s-f-35-best-fighter-125455472.html

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RE: Japan's Military Chief Says F-35 Is "best Fighter"

Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:36 pm

Of course he would say that, he needs to say positive things to keep advancing in his military career, because if you aren't a "team player" in the military, you don't go far. He is obviously paid by Lockheed.

 
 
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RE: Japan's Military Chief Says F-35 Is "best Fighter"

Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:09 pm

Quoting Powerslide (Reply 1):
Of course he would say that, he needs to say positive things to keep advancing in his military career, because if you aren't a "team player" in the military, you don't go far. He is obviously paid by Lockheed.

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RE: Japan's Military Chief Says F-35 Is "best Fighter"

Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:05 pm

I should start a thread where two Americans argue all day long about the Canucks and the Senators.
 
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RE: Japan's Military Chief Says F-35 Is "best Fighter"

Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:51 pm

Quoting Powerslide (Reply 1):
He is obviously paid by Lockheed.

Because Lockheed bribing politicians is totally unheard of.  
 
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RE: Japan's Military Chief Says F-35 Is "best Fighter"

Thu Mar 28, 2013 1:29 am

Sounds like he ate some bad sushi..
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RE: Japan's Military Chief Says F-35 Is "best Fighter"

Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:07 am

I will note that Japan is a potential contender for the F-35B as well; the Japanese have in recent years built a number of STOVL capable ships, such as the 22DDH, and the Hyūga-class helicopter 'destroyer'. Somehow, I don't think the Japanese fully intended to build a flat tops the size of an Iwo Jima class amphib, and intend on operating only 11 helicopters on it.

Ditto the Koreans; the STOVL capabilities for the Koreans would enhance their land-based basing options in case of a hot war with the North, and the Koreans have a pair of flatop amphibs and are building two more as well that are capable of handling a STOVL fighter...
 
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RE: Japan's Military Chief Says F-35 Is "best Fighter"

Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:28 am

Talk is cheap.. let's see them sign a contract and transfer some cash before counting the chickens. (same with Singapore.)
 
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RE: Japan's Military Chief Says F-35 Is "best Fighter"

Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:44 am

Quoting kanban (Reply 7):
Talk is cheap.. let's see them sign a contract and transfer some cash before counting the chickens. (same with Singapore.)

Ahem:

http://www.defense.gov//contracts/contract.aspx?contractid=5004

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Lockheed Martin Corp., Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., Fort Worth, Texas, is being awarded a $40,200,000 fixed-price-incentive (firm-target), advance-acquisition contract to provide long lead-time parts, materials and components required for the delivery of four Low Rate Initial Production Lot VIII F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter Conventional Takeoff and Landing aircraft for the government of Japan. Work will be performed in Fort Worth, Texas, and is expected to be completed in February 2014. Foreign Military Sales contract funds in the amount of $40,200,000 are being obligated on this award, none of which will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This contract was not competitively procured pursuant to the FAR 6.302-4. The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Md., is the contracting authority (N00019-13-C-0014).
 
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RE: Japan's Military Chief Says F-35 Is "best Fighter"

Thu Mar 28, 2013 6:38 am

That is not a contract with the Japanese Government, that's a long lead procurement that can be reallocated if the Japanese contract isn't forthcoming.. You have a contract with the US government to buy components..that is all.
 
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RE: Japan's Military Chief Says F-35 Is "best Fighter"

Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:13 am

Quoting kanban (Reply 9):
That is not a contract with the Japanese Government, that's a long lead procurement that can be reallocated if the Japanese contract isn't forthcoming.. You have a contract with the US government to buy components..that is all.

Incorrect.

There are essentially two ways a foreign military can buy American military hardware; the Foreign Military Sales program, or direct commercial sales.

Direct commercial sales is exactly what it is and is the method that you are thinking of. It means that the foreign government has a direct contract with the vendor to supply the weapons system and support. The vendor is therefore to provide the foreign government the weapons system, support, tooling, and manuals to operate the weapons system. The foreign government then has to develop the training programs and infrastructure upgrades themselves. The US government does not have any direct relationship between the foreign government, and the vendor beyond Congress approval and the export license.

Foreign Military Sales is a whole different animal. The foreign government in this scenario buys the military hardware directly through the US government. The US government, through Defense Security Cooperation Agency serves as an intermediary, usually handling procurement, logistics and delivery and often providing product support, training, and infrastructure construction (such as hangars, runways, utilities, etc.). The US government then gets a cut from the sale, otherwise known as FMS fees.

The Japanese F-35 purchase is through the Foreign Military Sales program. The Japanese government does not have direct commercial contact with Lockheed Martin. Also, FMS sales and contracts are announced separately from DOD sales and contracts.

Also, if you are wondering, the Israeli purchase of F-35's is also through the Foreign Military Sales program as well. Therefore, you will never see a contract between Lockheed Martin and Israel regarding Israel's purchase of F-35's.

This document explains the Foreign Military Sales program in more detail than what I have gone into here:
http://www.dsca.mil/PressReleases/fmsadvantagev2.pdf

But back on topic, the contract I listed above is the initial contract for the Japanese F-35's.
 
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RE: Japan's Military Chief Says F-35 Is "best Fighter"

Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:45 pm

Quoting Powerslide (Reply 1):
He is obviously paid by Lockheed.

Accusing the man of taking bribes is a heavy accusation. What are your sources for that? And, exactly which fighter do you know to be better?
 
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RE: Japan's Military Chief Says F-35 Is "best Fighter"

Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:29 pm

In case you haven't been following the epic exchanges between our Canadian brothers, I believe the bribery "accusation" is just some tongue in cheek horseplay between the two.
 
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RE: Japan's Military Chief Says F-35 Is "best Fighter"

Thu Mar 28, 2013 5:09 pm

Quoting ThePointblank (Reply 10):
The Japanese government does not have direct commercial contact with Lockheed Martin.

Young man, I have been involved in FMS procurement many times.. I have also been involved in long lead forecasting and procurement ,and there is still a contract between the US government and the receiving government. That has not happened. That contract is required to transfer ownership even under FMS.

What you posted as a contract isn't anything more than an advance material procurement authority. However believe what you want..

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