YANQUI67
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Usaf Grounds 17 Combat Air Squadrons

Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:16 pm

We are in the middle of tensions with North Korea and the pres is thowing a party at the White House and we shut down the Air Force. This is just great.

http://www.airforcetimes.com/article...nding-17-USAF-combat-air-squadrons
 
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RE: Usaf Grounds 17 Combat Air Squadrons

Wed Apr 10, 2013 2:38 pm

It looks like an across the board reduction .. a little here, a little there.. and some of the stuff wouldn't be needed in dealing with North Korea anyway..
 
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RE: Usaf Grounds 17 Combat Air Squadrons

Wed Apr 10, 2013 8:15 pm

Yup...SOMEBODY got 98% of what they wanted.....
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RE: Usaf Grounds 17 Combat Air Squadrons

Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:39 pm

Perhaps put the blame on Congress for not being able to reach a compromise on a budget that, at least partially, addresses 'entitlement reform ' (anathema to many Democrats) and 'revenue enhancement' (anathema to many/most Republicans). Sequestration arose as a kind of doomsday scenario -- 'this is not what you really want, so get on with it'.

There is blame on both sides to be apportioned, but many in Congress were willing to cut their noses off to spite their face. Seems pretty childish to me, and in the off-year elections in 2014, hopefully many of the principals in the budget standoff will be made to walk the plank. Americans deserve better and more intelligent representation than they're getting. God knows we do as well in Canada, but up here the whole budget process is entirely different.

It is worth noting that even with sequestration in the Pentagon, the USA is basically still outspending the rest of the world combined in defense matters.
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RE: Usaf Grounds 17 Combat Air Squadrons

Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:55 pm

I find the AWACS numbers interesting in that they are making the one squadron each of two aircraft at Alaska and Okinawa only BMC through Sept. Tinker can "somewhat" handle one going BMC but PACAF?

Seems odd given current demands.
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RE: Usaf Grounds 17 Combat Air Squadrons

Thu Apr 11, 2013 5:33 pm

Quoting connies4ever (Reply 4):
Americans deserve better and more intelligent representation than they're getting.

well it's a representative form of government and in parts of the country (even parts of the individual states) intelligence or even educated people are a minority..
 
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RE: Usaf Grounds 17 Combat Air Squadrons

Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:12 pm

Quoting kanban (Reply 5):
Quoting connies4ever (Reply 4):
Americans deserve better and more intelligent representation than they're getting.

well it's a representative form of government and in parts of the country (even parts of the individual states) intelligence or even educated people are a minority..

True here as well, brother, true here as well.

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RE: Usaf Grounds 17 Combat Air Squadrons

Sun Apr 14, 2013 12:24 am

Ought to reduce the budget of the 89th AW just as well.
 
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RE: Usaf Grounds 17 Combat Air Squadrons

Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:19 pm

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 4):

I left KTIK at just the right time!
 
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RE: Usaf Grounds 17 Combat Air Squadrons

Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:21 pm

Quoting awacsooner (Reply 8):
I left KTIK at just the right time!

Happiness is Tinker in the rearview mirror... j/k
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RE: Usaf Grounds 17 Combat Air Squadrons

Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:02 pm

Quoting kanban (Reply 1):
It looks like an across the board reduction .. a little here, a little there.. and some of the stuff wouldn't be needed in dealing with North Korea anyway..

If I recall there are nearly 100 active fighter squadrons in the USAF, so this represents a withdrawal of nearly 20% of or Order of Battle.

I don't question that cuts have to happen, and that maybe 20% across the board is indeed a fair cut. But somehow I do not think that there are 20% cuts in Dept of Education, Energy, HUD, etc.

This is called the "firemen first" tactic, where budget cuts are immediately applied to obvious and necessary public services, like the police, fire departments, and education, while entire hidden bureaucracies, unknown to the public, continue on their useless way, unmolested. It goes on at Federal and State levels.

Politicians claim that their only option is to cut services, and they (and he) warn the public that only tax increases will save the day. Nothing serious is ever done about inflated public employee wages; and only minor tinkering is allowed with benefits and the pension systems, about which the public has been only somewhat alerted.
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RE: Usaf Grounds 17 Combat Air Squadrons

Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:55 pm

Quoting FlyingSicilian (Reply 9):
Happiness is Tinker in the rearview mirror... j/k

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RE: Usaf Grounds 17 Combat Air Squadrons

Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:13 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 10):
I don't question that cuts have to happen, and that maybe 20% across the board is indeed a fair cut. But somehow I do not think that there are 20% cuts in Dept of Education, Energy, HUD, etc.

The problem is that the sequester cuts only affect discretionary spending, not non discretionary ie social security etc. So the effect is greater on those departments with the most discretionary spending ie defense. Then since they have tried to not affect anything in Afghanistan/Iraq etc there are proportionately even more cuts on those "less essential " areas as we see now happening. All depts are getting the the same level of cuts in their overall budget, some get a much bigger hit in some parts because they have chosen to protect other parts of their budget. Which is why defense cuts seem disproportionate.
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RE: Usaf Grounds 17 Combat Air Squadrons

Sun Apr 21, 2013 5:06 pm

Quoting Dreadnought (Reply 10):
This is called the "firemen first" tactic, where budget cuts are immediately applied to obvious and necessary public services, like the police, fire departments, and education, while entire hidden bureaucracies, unknown to the public, continue on their useless way, unmolested. It goes on at Federal and State levels.

Politicians claim that their only option is to cut services, and they (and he) warn the public that only tax increases will save the day. Nothing serious is ever done about inflated public employee wages; and only minor tinkering is allowed with benefits and the pension systems, about which the public has been only somewhat alerted.

From what I've been hearing, cutting such services gets us through one year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequester_%282013%29 points out that another 10% will be triggered next year, and there's no way to make that up just by cutting back services.

The real issue for DoD is a lot of multi-year procurements need funding. These measures took a long time to enact (mostly because the Congress likes to tinker ever possible chance they get) and are good for the bottom line for those programs that are vital, but if we hit another sequestration then chances are good the government will default on the terms of the multi-year contracts and they will be open to re-negotiation.
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RE: Usaf Grounds 17 Combat Air Squadrons

Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:08 pm

Quoting yanqui67 (Thread starter):
the pres is thowing a party at the White House

But if it were Bush in the White House I bet you'd think it OK, am I right????

TELL ME....AM I RIGHT ?????
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