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Air-Refuelable Drop Tanks?

Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:19 pm

Hi all,

A French Mirage 2000C I photographed last week is carrying two large external tanks, and the port tank is marked with a small silhouette of a C-135FR tanker. I would guess this means that the tank is air-refuable through the aircraft itself, but then, is this not always the case?

It's indeed a tank and not a buddy refuelling pack I think, and before you ask, no, the tank doesn't have a refuelling probe itself.

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RE: Air-Refuelable Drop Tanks?

Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:29 pm

There are air refueling drop tanks available for the F-16 and F-15. They contain an extendable refueling probe for (receiver) probe and drogue refueling. These are much different than the buddy refueling pods.
 
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RE: Air-Refuelable Drop Tanks?

Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:39 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1):

Ah, I expected you to answer, thanks  

Here's a picture.

http://www.airliners.net/addphotos/b...2110.3235mirage2000-100-059ptr.jpg

The tank looks identical to those carried by the other M2000s in the exercise.
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RE: Air-Refuelable Drop Tanks?

Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:55 pm

That is your everyday run-of-the-mill drop tank for fuel only.

Here is the one I was talking about, an ART/S on the F-16D VISTA;

http://airrefuelingarchive.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/vista_arts.jpg

More info;

http://airrefuelingarchive.wordpress...gent-fletcher-arts-pod-f-16-vista/

[Edited 2013-04-25 13:58:05]
 
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RE: Air-Refuelable Drop Tanks?

Thu Apr 25, 2013 9:23 pm

Quoting ptrjong (Thread starter):

A French Mirage 2000C I photographed last week is carrying two large external tanks, and the port tank is marked with a small silhouette of a C-135FR tanker. I would guess this means that the tank is air-refuable through the aircraft itself, but then, is this not always the case?

It could have nothing to do with the tank and everything to do with the crews. It is pretty common for aircrew to play jokes on each other and this could be a case of the C-135 crew, or ground crew for that matter, stenciling their outline on a Mirage tank, probably trying to remind them they can't fly anywhere without tanker support.
 
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RE: Air-Refuelable Drop Tanks?

Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:10 pm

Quoting Ozair (Reply 4):

OK, thanks.I thought this might be an offical symbol.

I guess the drop tanks can be refilled when refueling in the air, through the aicraft's plumbing?
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RE: Air-Refuelable Drop Tanks?

Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:21 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3):
That is your everyday run-of-the-mill drop tank for fuel only.

Here is the one I was talking about, an ART/S on the F-16D VISTA;

http://airrefuelingarchive.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/vista_arts.jpg

More info;

http://airrefuelingarchive.wordpress...ista/

There is also a conformal tank that was developed by Lockheed Martin, Hindustan Aeronautics, Flight Refueling Limited, and Israeli Aerospace Industries that has a retractable probe:

http://sitelife.aviationweek.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/11/5/2bc36c6b-b9b6-4f11-a5fe-7a2585b98d73.Full.jpg
http://sitelife.aviationweek.com/ver1.0/Content/images/store/0/6/6053a859-b7f3-423d-a6ad-d4e0e5b8a5ca.Full.jpg

This is compatible with the F-16 Block 50's and 60's, and was developed specifically for the Indian MMRCA competition. It is still offered for any existing F-16 Block 50's and 60's.

I also believe the Israeli's in the past have also experimented with installing a probe on a F-16 as well.

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RE: Air-Refuelable Drop Tanks?

Thu Apr 25, 2013 11:55 pm

Quoting ptrjong (Reply 5):
I guess the drop tanks can be refilled when refueling in the air, through the aicraft's plumbing?

More than likely but it would depend specifically on the aircraft's fuel management system. Usually a pilot has to manage the fuel flow to different tanks to maintain aircraft balance.

http://www.f-15e.info/technology/fue...em/air_refueling/air_refueling.htm is a good read about how the F-15E handles A2A refueling and talks about the external tanks being filled.

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