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Turkey Plans To Build Local Fighter By 2023

Tue May 28, 2013 9:43 am

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/bet...aircraft.aspx?pageID=238&nid=43266
Ambitious to say the least.
There were pictures on another source that shows both single and twin engine models. There are also plans to build a rocket that can take satellites to orbit.
All this goes with the rest of ideas that Turkey wanting to become an arms producer/supplier, with the Milgem ships, Altay tanks, Anka UAVs and such.
I doubt that eventually this will replace the F-16s one day or even Turkey will opt out of F-35. The design phase says this fighter will be built for Turkey's needs, all the way to 2050s.
 
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RE: Turkey Plans To Build Local Fighter By 2023

Tue May 28, 2013 3:06 pm

Turkey is an interesting case. They do build their own ships...but they use a lot of foreign pieces to get it done (US and European weapons and sensor fit mostly). Tanks are, superficially at least, relatively simple things to build. The devil there is in the details and just about anyone can build something that looks very modern from the outside. Until someone starts shooting at them it is really hard to know what you are dealing with though it certainly looks good. Turkey is making a very good go at doing all the things it needs to do certainly.

With that said an indigenous fighter would surprise me. Nations are much more guarded about sharing that kind of technology with one another. Just getting engines for something very high end is difficult enough and by 2030 or so I am not sure how competitive a 2 engined something with say F414 type power plant will really be. I doubt you can get your hands on an F-119 or a F-135 type. Then you have to deal with all the other things you need and might or might not have yourself (radar, flight systems, electronic warfare). The problem I see Turkey having is that they have not built a fighter of any type yet. They have assembled F-16's and built a few on their own with a lot of help and they have done a good job modernizing many of their aircraft themselves. But I just see them having to bring in too many foreign components to make it worthwhile in the end.
 
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RE: Turkey Plans To Build Local Fighter By 2023

Tue May 28, 2013 11:03 pm

Quoting BigJKU (Reply 1):
The problem I see Turkey having is that they have not built a fighter of any type yet. They have assembled F-16's and built a few on their own with a lot of help and they have done a good job modernizing many of their aircraft themselves.

If Turkey takes the Indian LCA approach of trying to develop a host of technologies more or less from scratch, the project will likely take 20+ years to come to fruition rather than 10. I believe SAAB has been called in to help which will make things go forward far more smoothly.

Quoting BigJKU (Reply 1):
But I just see them having to bring in too many foreign components to make it worthwhile in the end.

For Turkey it would be better to buy in components that are known to work, get the aircraft tested and working then develop and test replacements IMO. Reduces the risk of multi-year project delay due to hitting a brick wall in developing and debugging any one system essential to the aircraft.
 
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RE: Turkey Plans To Build Local Fighter By 2023

Wed May 29, 2013 1:58 am

Quoting art (Reply 2):

For Turkey it would be better to buy in components that are known to work, get the aircraft tested and working then develop and test replacements IMO. Reduces the risk of multi-year project delay due to hitting a brick wall in developing and debugging any one system essential to the aircraft.

I tend to agree. I think Korea is doing a pretty smart thing by building a trainer/light attack aircraft first. I am not so high on their chances to translate it to a first line combat plane but if they can build a good light attack aircraft/trainer and then leverage that into export market sales in Western nations I think they have a chance to be a semi-major player in the next joint development project that comes down the pike.
 
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RE: Turkey Plans To Build Local Fighter By 2023

Fri Jun 07, 2013 3:20 pm

Quoting BigJKU (Reply 1):
But I just see them having to bring in too many foreign components to make it worthwhile in the end.

US fighters also have a lot of foreign made parts in them, many from China.

Quoting art (Reply 2):
If Turkey takes the Indian LCA approach of trying to develop a host of technologies more or less from scratch, the project will likely take 20+ years to come to fruition rather than 10.

The F-35 will be a 20+ year program too, before it is fully operational. And by fully operational, I don't mean all that it was promised to do, because it will never be able to do all that was promised. If Turkey can do it in 20 years, that would be as quick the the F-35 program.
 
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RE: Turkey Plans To Build Local Fighter By 2023

Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:37 am

Quoting tommytoyz (Reply 4):
The F-35 will be a 20+ year program too, before it is fully operational. And by fully operational, I don't mean all that it was promised to do, because it will never be able to do all that was promised. If Turkey can do it in 20 years, that would be as quick the the F-35 program.

You can't name an advanced US fighter since WW2 that was fielded fully capable right out of the box. Aside from the fact users like to get their hands on a system as soon as possible, they have to learn about how to use it in a progressive fashion. Walk then Run.

I remain doubtful regarding Turkey building a jet fighter. The South Koreans are debating about their domestic jet fighter programme, and they've swung back and forth on the topic, with more doubt if they actually want to proceed. There's very little room in the international market for jet fighters right now, as it is dominated by Russian, Chinese, American, and to a smaller extent, European companies. Realistically, it will make more sense for both the South Koreans and Turks to work closely with a existing supplier, and be a partner in a fighter jet project.
 
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RE: Turkey Plans To Build Local Fighter By 2023

Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:43 pm

Yes, unfortunetely Turkey is importing many pieces and service from abroad. But i hope it is soon that Turkey will make own aircrafts itself.

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