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Sun Jun 30, 2013 12:17 am

The mock-up of what was to become the USN's A-12A has been moved from the LM plant in Fort Worth to the B-36 Peacemaker Museum near Meacham Airport.

Read more here: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/06...-texas-aviation.html#storylink=cpy

The A-12 was a stealth attack aircraft for the USN and was to replace the F-14 and A-6, as well as possibly the F/FB-111 for the USAF. It was to be built at the GD plant in Fort Worth, which is now the LM plant.

Interestingly the B-36 Peacemaker Museum does not have a B-36. They do have two B-36 (round tip) propellers and two main gear wheels, as well as some of the B-36 guns.

The mock-up of the A-12A has been pretty much sitting in fields on the LM plant property and at Carswell AFB (currently NAS Fort Worth JRB) since the program was terminated back in 1991 due to huge costs overruns.
 
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RE: GD A-12A Mock-Up Saved

Sun Jun 30, 2013 12:39 pm

Can you say Gotha 229?
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RE: GD A-12A Mock-Up Saved

Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:09 pm

I'm glad the GD thing is in a museum!
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RE: GD A-12A Mock-Up Saved

Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:02 am

Don't see how it would have replaced the F14, then again, nothing will ever come close to the mighty Tomcat.


However, as an attack Aircraft if they had worked out the technological issues (perhaps not possible in that era) it would have been an amazing platform.


Unfortunately, it became a massive money hole and crippled Naval Aviation for many, many years. As a result the Navy has no medium / long range strike bomber anymore and this was and is the main reason for a Carrier Airwing.


The F18 is a good fighter but it can't fly anywhere close to the range or carry the payload of an A6 or the planned A12 without numerous refuellings.


A great shame.
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RE: GD A-12A Mock-Up Saved

Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:52 am

A-12 was designed to repalce the A-6 not the F-14.
 
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RE: GD A-12A Mock-Up Saved

Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:58 pm

Wasn't the canopy frame of the actual aircraft sold in an auction a year or two ago? Where did it end up?
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RE: GD A-12A Mock-Up Saved

Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:31 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 3):
then again, nothing will ever come close to the mighty Tomcat

F-15 Eagle.
 
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RE: GD A-12A Mock-Up Saved

Fri Jul 05, 2013 3:31 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 6):
Quoting Max Q (Reply 3):
then again, nothing will ever come close to the mighty Tomcat

F-15 Eagle.





Thats what we need here instead of all these inevitably locked down F-35 is great/crap threads, a good old fashioned F-15 v F-14 bust up 
 
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Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:57 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 3):
Don't see how it would have replaced the F14, then again, nothing will ever come close to the mighty Tomcat.

Especially w.r.t. mx man-hours/flight hour !
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RE: GD A-12A Mock-Up Saved

Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:08 pm

Quoting spudh (Reply 7):
spudh

The only weapons system on the F-14 that could defeat an F-15, assuming the F-15 pilot wasn't paying attention, was the AIM-54 Phoenix missile. But the Phoenix wasn't all that reliable.

The original F-14A AN/AWG-9 radar could detect bomber sized targets out to 100 nm, but it could not detect fighter sized targets until they were inside of 50 nm, depending on the size of the fighter and it's RCS. The AN/AWG-9 could track up to 100 targets, but could only target 6 of the most serious treats.

The original F-15A/B, and early production F-15C/Ds had the AN/APG-63 radar which could detect fighter sized aircraft out to 75 nm and could target up to 8 of the most serious threats.

Both radar systems had 'look down shoot down' capability, but the F-15's radar could also, simultaneously track high altitude targets. The F-14 WSO had to switch modes in order to be able to track high targets.

The AN/APG-63 radar could also be manually or automatically set to display its information on the pilot's HUD. The AN/AWG-9 only displayed on the cockpit radar screens for both the pilot and WSO, and could not be tied to the HUD.

Both radar systems were upgraded in the late 1970s and through the 1980s.
 
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RE: GD A-12A Mock-Up Saved

Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:10 pm

Quoting spudh (Reply 7):
Thats what we need here instead of all these inevitably locked down F-35 is great/crap threads, a good old fashioned F-15 v F-14 bust up 

Looks like the old warriors took your comment literally..

Let's either stay on topic or prepare to be shut down.

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