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Boeing To Fund C-17 Production For Additional Year

Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:32 am

Boeing says it will invest company funds on long-lead components to protect the continued production of C-17.

Potentially up to 12 white-tails would be manufactured beyond current order commitments, but Boeing says it is in discussions with a range of new and existing international customers.

Based on this lead time commitment, production would continue through late 2015.

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http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...tion-on-anticipated-demand-388983/

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RE: Boeing To Fund C-17 Production For Additional Year

Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:17 am

Can't see them building that many unless they were confident someone is going to take them.
 
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RE: Boeing To Fund C-17 Production For Additional Year

Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:53 pm

Other than the additional range added to what is sometimes called the "C-17ER," are there any substantial differences between C-17s? Surely, the later ones have some modification. Furthermore, are there differences between the units produced for one customer or the other? I do recall that UK production came from line numbers originally intended for USAF, but I could understand there being little modification in those cases.
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RE: Boeing To Fund C-17 Production For Additional Year

Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:27 pm

Quoting N328KF (Reply 2):
I do recall that UK production came from line numbers originally intended for USAF, but I could understand there being little modification in those cases.

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RE: Boeing To Fund C-17 Production For Additional Year

Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:52 pm

Maybe NATO at Papa will take on some more airframes than the 3 they already have, they are kept quite busy.
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RE: Boeing To Fund C-17 Production For Additional Year

Thu Aug 01, 2013 4:34 pm

10 more Boeing C-17s = 40+ more PW2000s !  
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RE: Boeing To Fund C-17 Production For Additional Year

Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:17 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 2):
"C-17ER," are there any substantial differences between C-17s?

The 'ER' mod was begun pretty early on in the production run and was incorporated in every frame since then. Having said that, I'd be very surprised if the early USAF birds without the extra tanks haven't already been modified to add them in the name of fleet commonality if nothing else. Its a mod that can be carried out at the heavy maintenance intervals.


Apart from that, I don't believe there is any major differences between the C-17 fleets around the world, save for perhaps minor changes (metric vs imperial numering etc) and options that various countries have ticked the box for. Certainly all the countries that have signed onto the GSP are pretty well obligated to maintain a config very similar to the USAF.

Quoting N328KF (Reply 2):
I do recall that UK production came from line numbers originally intended for USAF,

So did most, if not all of the RAAF fleet, and no doubt a lot of overseas sales. Don't forget that the USAF has been given a lot of airframes that they didn't really want, so if they come a bit later it really doesnt bother them.
 
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RE: Boeing To Fund C-17 Production For Additional Year

Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:45 am

Quoting N328KF (Reply 2):
Other than the additional range added to what is sometimes called the "C-17ER," are there any substantial differences between C-17s?

There were a number of internal variations between C-17's depending on when they were produced.
- Block 9 features differences in its avionics, panels and design structures and in its Airlift Defensive System from earlier Block 8 C-17s.
- Block 10 aircraft featured a redesigned tail, which was lighter and easier to produce than the previous tail. Primarily, it featured a new hybrid composite/metal structure that is 20 percent lighter than the all-metal tail. Additionally, the new tail component eliminates 90 percent of the parts, 81 percent of the fasteners, and 70 percent of the tools needed to produce the tail.
- Block 11 aircraft featured automatic pressurization and depressurization; aircrew data transfer device (allows the automatic upload of worldwide navigational data, maintenance date and loadmaster software); chest-mounted oxygen regulator (allows loadmaster to move about the cabin during certain high-altitude airdrops); and electric production improvement project (rewiring of aircraft to make it easier and less costly to produce).
- Block 12 was what most would call the -ER upgrade, as it entailed a fuel tank mounted in the centre wing box.
- Block 13 added Terrain Awareness Warning System, a reactive wind sheer warning system and various computer upgrades
- Block 16 added a new weather radar (Honeywell AN/APS-150), improved Onboard Inert Gas-Generating System, improved stabilizer strut system, and additional avionics

We are currently at Block 18 right now, with the later blocks being different by having various avionics upgrades.
 
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Sun Aug 04, 2013 2:33 am

Quoting ThePointblank (Reply 7):
We are currently at Block 18 right now, with the later blocks being different by having various avionics upgrades.

All of the USAF Aircraft are currently undergoing modifications to the Block 18 standard as they approach their GRIP cycles. The ER tanks are still missing from a good chunk of the pre- P-70 fleet, but they are working on it. It isn't part of the Block upgrade system, despite it being included with Block 12 and up. It is just a separate TCTO that is completed at Kelly or Robins. Very little is different between the USAF and International C-17s. Even the GRIP cycle is the same and they return for their regular scheduled maintenance at Robins or Kelly, depending on which maintenance is required.

According to Boeing, the current jets are at the 18 standard, but they are Block 22 production aircraft. Nothing has really changed since 18, but I'm throwing that out there.
 
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Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:25 am

Any chance the USAF will order more? I mean with the ongoing conflict in Afghanistan, AMC is being taxed in terms of personnel and equipment. I have to think that some of the older C-17s have to be getting close to the end of their life expectancy in terms of hours flown.

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Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:09 pm

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 9):
Any chance the USAF will order more? I mean with the ongoing conflict in Afghanistan, AMC is being taxed in terms of personnel and equipment. I have to think that some of the older C-17s have to be getting close to the end of their life expectancy in terms of hours flown.

Marc

No, there is no chance under the current budget problems of the USAF ordering more C-17s, even if they wanted them. The oldest C-17s are just approaching mid-life. Afghanistan is winding down, and the USAF is looking to cut some 65,000 troop positions in the next several years. Some of those will come from the C-17 weapons system.

The USAF wants and needs the KC-46 more than it needs the C-17, so it will not put those KC-46 dollars in jeopardy.
 
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Mon Aug 05, 2013 12:55 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10):
No, there is no chance under the current budget problems of the USAF ordering more C-17s, even if they wanted them. The oldest C-17s are just approaching mid-life. Afghanistan is winding down, and the USAF is looking to cut some 65,000 troop positions in the next several years. Some of those will come from the C-17 weapons system.

It just astounds me that with our current fleet of airlifters, if another major conflict were to break out, we might not have the ability to get troops and supplies wherever they may be needed. I'm personally a big supporter of the C-5, but even those are dwindling in number and availability.

Do you see the CRAF being used morese in a potential future conflict?

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Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:21 am

Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 11):

It just astounds me that with our current fleet of airlifters, if another major conflict were to break out, we might not have the ability to get troops and supplies wherever they may be needed. I'm personally a big supporter of the C-5, but even those are dwindling in number and availability.

Afghanistan was kind of a anomaly as we fought a war in a landlocked nation, where we had to fly in the bulk of the troops, their equipment, and supplies. With most of the world readily accessible from the sea, sealift will be the primary method of getting stuff to where it needs to be.
 
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RE: Boeing To Fund C-17 Production For Additional Year

Mon Aug 05, 2013 2:24 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10):
No, there is no chance under the current budget problems of the USAF ordering more C-17s, even if they wanted them.

The trick is, Congress orders airplanes for the USAF, not the USAF.  
 
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Mon Aug 05, 2013 6:58 pm

I've noticed on the earlier C-17's the APU inlet door is different, will they be upgrading to a current standard or just keep them until they get retired?
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Mon Aug 05, 2013 11:38 pm

Quoting venus6971 (Reply 14):

Where is that door located? Interesting observation & I'd like to check it out myself...
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RE: Boeing To Fund C-17 Production For Additional Year

Tue Aug 06, 2013 9:35 am

Quoting zanl188 (Reply 15):

Right hand side-pod, forward of the wheels and roughly in line with the top of the struts while on the ground.
 
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Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:20 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 13):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10):No, there is no chance under the current budget problems of the USAF ordering more C-17s, even if they wanted them.
The trick is, Congress orders airplanes for the USAF, not the USAF.

Yeah, but with a smaller Air Force those new airplanes will make good gate guards.
 
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Sun Aug 18, 2013 6:54 am

Boeing should offer the aircraft around the world saying last chanse. No equal freighter is in production nor will be in many years time.
 
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Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:14 pm

Quoting sweair (Reply 18):
Boeing should offer the aircraft around the world saying last chanse. No equal freighter is in production nor will be in many years time.

I think that is what they are doing.
 
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Sun Aug 18, 2013 6:12 pm

Quoting zanl188 (Reply 15):
Where is that door located? Interesting observation & I'd like to check it out myself...

It is on the same location but looks like a rectangle with curved corners, saw it on a early 90's model in the AOR probably from Charleston.
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Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:58 pm

Another update, Boeing will end the C-17 production in 2015 and close the factory in Long Beach. Staff will be reduced by 3,000 starting in 2014.

Here's the whole story:
http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2013-09-...on-of-C-17-Globemaster-III-in-2015
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RE: Boeing To Fund C-17 Production For Additional Year

Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:12 pm

Also on the front page of the L.A. Times

3000 workers on project currently, layoffs begin "early next year" until the program wraps up in 2015

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BY W.J. HENNIGAN | 1:06 p.m.
Boeing Co. says it plans to complete production of the C-17 cargo jet and close the final assembly facility in Long Beach in 2015. The move marks the end of the last major airplane production line left in SoCal.
 
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Thu Sep 19, 2013 11:24 am

There has been a word going around for sometime that the Indian Air Force might go in for 10 more frames. I see that the defense committee for acquisition has approved for more C-130s and I guess another news about C-17 is not far..      
 
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Thu Sep 19, 2013 1:04 pm

Quoting Revelation (Reply 3):
Coffee maker modified for tea production, A/C driven from left hand side.

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Quoting Cadet985 (Reply 9):
I mean with the ongoing conflict in Afghanistan, AMC is being taxed in terms of personnel and equipment.
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 10):
No, there is no chance under the current budget problems of the USAF ordering more C-17s, even if they wanted them.

Prior to the budget crisis the Air Focre never wanted additional frames, so the notion of them maxing out the fleet is that real,,, or were they at the time trying to get more F-22's then the F-35?
 
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RE: Boeing To Fund C-17 Production For Additional Year

Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:25 pm

Boeing today said the C-17 production line will close in mid-2015 instead of late 2015.
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Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:53 pm

Correct, now looking to close the Long Beach line during the summer of 2015, about 3 months earlier than previously announced.
 
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RE: Boeing To Fund C-17 Production For Additional Year

Sun May 25, 2014 9:44 pm

It needs to be remembered that Congress bought the last 52 C-17A that USAF didn’t want. USAF always takes the heat, but Cogressmen with their admentents some times call mark ups to the budget, Chris Dodd was one of the big pushers.......did someone say the Pratt & Whitney plant was in his home district ? yeah I thought so.

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