firemansparky
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Qatar F-15 Sale

Thu Jun 15, 2017 4:55 am

Looks like Qatar is the next F-15 customer. 36 aircraft for $12 billion.


Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-gulf- ... SKBN19531Y
 
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Re: Qatar F-15 Sale

Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:23 am

So let's summ it up:
- President Trump selles billions of $ of weapons to KSA
- KSA initiates a diplomatic and economic ban on neighbouring Qatar, citing 'support of terrorism'
- President Trump begs for de-escalation but also reprimands Qatar, citing 'support of terrorism'
- Qatar buys billions of $ of US weapons

So what? Either Qatar supports terror groups and should be treated accordingly, or not. We all know what a joke this accusation is, or rather that this is the pot calling the kettle black, but what I see from my side of the pond (France, a country both heavily involved in battlefield war against terror groups (Mali) and suffering from many terror attacks during the last 3 years), is a new level of hypocrisy from fellow USA. I'm afraid sooner rather than later, we'll pay a very heavy price for our blindness or short-sighted focus on business and $$$...
 
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Re: Qatar F-15 Sale

Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:37 am

ITMercure wrote:

or rather that this is the pot calling the kettle black,


:checkmark:


I'm afraid sooner rather than later, we'll pay a very heavy price for our blindness or short-sighted focus on business and $$$...


:checkmark:

is a new level of hypocrisy from fellow USA


In this case it's not only the US though. Qatar also has Dassault Rafales on order.
 
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Re: Qatar F-15 Sale

Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:48 am

TheF15Ace wrote:
ITMercure wrote:

In this case it's not only the US though. Qatar also has Dassault Rafales on order.


You are absolutely right. For about 10 years France seems to have a kind of facination for all things Qatar. They buy, we sell... Sigh...
 
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Re: Qatar F-15 Sale

Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:16 pm

ITMercure wrote:
So let's summ it up:
- President Trump selles billions of $ of weapons to KSA
- KSA initiates a diplomatic and economic ban on neighbouring Qatar, citing 'support of terrorism'
- President Trump begs for de-escalation but also reprimands Qatar, citing 'support of terrorism'
- Qatar buys billions of $ of US weapons

So what? Either Qatar supports terror groups and should be treated accordingly, or not. We all know what a joke this accusation is, or rather that this is the pot calling the kettle black, but what I see from my side of the pond (France, a country both heavily involved in battlefield war against terror groups (Mali) and suffering from many terror attacks during the last 3 years), is a new level of hypocrisy from fellow USA. I'm afraid sooner rather than later, we'll pay a very heavy price for our blindness or short-sighted focus on business and $$$...

Not sure what Trump has to do with every single US arms sale....

As a point of fact, it was the Obama administration that requested the sale of the F-15s and it has taken Congress a number of years to approve the sale.

I don't really see an issue with the sale of highly technical equipment. Most middle east nations are highly dependant on contractor and OEM support and these military purchases become non functional very quickily which said support is withdrawn.

I have more of an issue with the military ground equipment taken such as the large stocks of tanks and AFVs. Less technical so easier to maintain locally and procure external support from mulitple vendors while more likely to be used to suppress local populations.
 
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Re: Qatar F-15 Sale

Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:40 pm

ITMercure wrote:
is a new level of hypocrisy from fellow USA.


Hypocrisy yes. Politics as usual yes. At least in the USA the hypocrisy is usually backed by a free election (although easily manipulated):)

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Re: Qatar F-15 Sale

Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:46 pm

TheF15Ace wrote:
In this case it's not only the US though. Qatar also has Dassault Rafales on order.


Did you heard France complaining about Qatar terrorism financing ?
 
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Re: Qatar F-15 Sale

Thu Jun 15, 2017 1:10 pm

queb wrote:
TheF15Ace wrote:
In this case it's not only the US though. Qatar also has Dassault Rafales on order.


Did you heard France complaining about Qatar terrorism financing ?


No. The point I was addressing was the overall policy of our governments to bomb terrorists in the Middle East, while shaking hands with their financiers and offering them the latest collection of jets, bombs and missiles. Doesn't really matter if it's Rafales to Qatar or more F-15s to Saudi, as long as the multi-billion dollar arms sales dictate which terrorists to fight and which to ignore we will never be rid of the problem.
 
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Re: Qatar F-15 Sale

Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:50 pm

Ozair wrote:
ITMercure wrote:
I don't really see an issue with the sale of highly technical equipment. Most middle east nations are highly dependant on contractor and OEM support and these military purchases become non functional very quickily which said support is withdrawn.


Must be why the Iranian F-4, F-5, F-14, C-130, H-1 etc.. are all still flying decades after support was withdrawn :-)
 
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Re: Qatar F-15 Sale

Thu Jun 15, 2017 4:33 pm

sovietjet wrote:
Ozair wrote:
ITMercure wrote:
I don't really see an issue with the sale of highly technical equipment. Most middle east nations are highly dependant on contractor and OEM support and these military purchases become non functional very quickily which said support is withdrawn.


Must be why the Iranian F-4, F-5, F-14, C-130, H-1 etc.. are all still flying decades after support was withdrawn :-)


Well thank god that this dispute between Qatar and the KSA certainly doesn't push Qatar into the arms of Iran then... :duck:
 
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Re: Qatar F-15 Sale

Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:36 am

sovietjet wrote:
Ozair wrote:
ITMercure wrote:
I don't really see an issue with the sale of highly technical equipment. Most middle east nations are highly dependant on contractor and OEM support and these military purchases become non functional very quickily which said support is withdrawn.


Must be why the Iranian F-4, F-5, F-14, C-130, H-1 etc.. are all still flying decades after support was withdrawn :-)

There's a difference: during the time of the Shah, Iran was working on developing its own domestic aviation and arms industries right up to the Revolution. When the Revolution happened, Iran was already fairly well developed in terms of its capabilities in overhauling aircraft and building weapons.

Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the UAE, etc don't have nearly the same level of development in terms of their domestic capabilities. They are all heavily dependent on external contractors to support their hardware.
 
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Re: Qatar F-15 Sale

Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:39 pm

The US was supposed to support us in the fight against ISIS in North Africa but apparently the manbaby in chief took umbrage of his handshake with president Macron and is not paying anymore...

I guess that his promise regarding ISIS is already void anyway so why bother ?
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Re: Qatar F-15 Sale

Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:20 am

Deal official.

Boeing wins $6.2 billion contract for F-15 aircraft for Qatar: Pentagon
http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/22/politics/ ... index.html
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