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Another Patriot missile miss

Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:13 am

It looks like the Pac 4 patriots didn't do any better at shooting down a Houthi Scud than the original version did against Iraqi Scuds in Israel back in 1991.

The NYT story is pretty convincing in showing that the Scud got through the Patriot defense. The Saudis launched five Patriots, but the warhead came down beyond the Patriot site.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... .html?_r=0
 
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Re: Another Patriot missile miss

Wed Dec 13, 2017 3:09 pm

Missile Command doesn't quite play out in real life.
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Re: Another Patriot missile miss

Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:17 pm

They manage to shoot down RAF Tornados ok though. :sarcastic:
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Re: Another Patriot missile miss

Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:24 pm

scbriml wrote:
They manage to shoot down RAF Tornados ok though. :sarcastic:


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Re: Another Patriot missile miss

Fri Dec 15, 2017 7:14 am

salttee wrote:
The Saudis launched five Patriots, but the warhead came down beyond the Patriot site.


Very expensive failure.
 
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Re: Another Patriot missile miss

Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:07 pm

One issue with the Scud missile is it has a tendency come apart in flight. The NYT times article hinted to that fact. The firing solution might have been accomplished shortly before being launched, but due to the disintegration of the missile in the terminal phase, the solution could not be maintained.
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Re: Another Patriot missile miss

Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:18 pm

Doesn't the Scud do some strange course corrections, something which bungles up the Patriot's calculations? Or has this been corrected in the Patriot's software?


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Re: Another Patriot missile miss

Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:12 pm

mmo wrote:
One issue with the Scud missile is it has a tendency come apart in flight. The NYT times article hinted to that fact. The firing solution might have been accomplished shortly before being launched, but due to the disintegration of the missile in the terminal phase, the solution could not be maintained.
The firing solution is continuously updated. It appears that all an adversary need to do to defeat the Patriot system is to mimic whatever the scud does, which doesn't seem to be hard to do.

This does not instill great confidence in THAAD, AEGIS or the ABM system.
 
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Re: Another Patriot missile miss

Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:26 pm

IIRC many of the 'Scuds' that Saddam launched in 1991 were crude lash-ups, done to increase the range/payload.
So unsurprising many came apart in flight, larger debris such as main fuel tanks tended to be struck by the Patriots.
But this was 1970's/80's technology in terms of those Patriots, which originally was mandated NOT to have an ABM capability, being originally designed to counter aircraft and possibly cruise missile type weapons.
 
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Re: Another Patriot missile miss

Fri Dec 15, 2017 6:35 pm

mmo wrote:
One issue with the Scud missile is it has a tendency come apart in flight. The NYT times article hinted to that fact. The firing solution might have been accomplished shortly before being launched, but due to the disintegration of the missile in the terminal phase, the solution could not be maintained.


This type seems to detach the warhead on purpose and late. ( rocket body works as chaff?.)
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Re: Another Patriot missile miss

Sat Dec 16, 2017 1:02 am

In my soon to be announced poor man's rocket™ I will place a corner reflector in the tailfin assembly.
An option will be to to have this poor man's reflector™ trail along behind the rocket in the later stages of flight.

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