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Russian Su-30 takes a peek inside a IL-76 over Syria

Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:37 am

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Re: Russian Su-30 takes a peek inside a IL-76 over Syria

Thu Dec 14, 2017 7:13 am

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Re: Russian Su-30 takes a peek inside a IL-76 over Syria

Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:42 pm

Nice view, good pilot!
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Re: Russian Su-30 takes a peek inside a IL-76 over Syria

Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:46 pm

Reminds me of these two classics of an RAAF Hornet taken from the back of a C-130:


 
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Re: Russian Su-30 takes a peek inside a IL-76 over Syria

Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:23 pm

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Looking for parking space?


just inspecting if they cleaned out the hold properly.

This looks nearer than it really was, right? 30+m nearer and the peel off wouldn't have worked.
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Re: Russian Su-30 takes a peek inside a IL-76 over Syria

Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:06 pm

Would have stunk if a stuck pallet came off the rails.
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Re: Russian Su-30 takes a peek inside a IL-76 over Syria

Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:06 pm

He's trying to find the culprit who nearly dropped a box on him :)
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Re: Russian Su-30 takes a peek inside a IL-76 over Syria

Sun Dec 17, 2017 1:28 pm

starrion wrote:
Would have stunk if a stuck pallet came off the rails.


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Re: Russian Su-30 takes a peek inside a IL-76 over Syria

Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:31 pm

Awesome video!
 
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Re: Russian Su-30 takes a peek inside a IL-76 over Syria

Sun Dec 17, 2017 6:05 pm

Norwegian F-16AM from a Hercules over Oslo, Norway in 2012 when the RNoAF celebrated their 100th anniversary :

Click on "billedserie" two Places in the article

https://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/sjekk- ... o/63333700


Photos by Jan Severinsen and Ole Gunnar Henriksen Nordli / Forsvarets Mediesenter
 
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Re: Russian Su-30 takes a peek inside a IL-76 over Syria

Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:39 pm

Filmed in 2005, RAF Tornado F3's down south, something a bit different going on with the RAF C-130 crew in one brief segment when they film a F.3 peeking into their aircraft;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI-U3-9UO0w
 
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Re: Russian Su-30 takes a peek inside a IL-76 over Syria

Sun Dec 17, 2017 10:20 pm

starrion wrote:
Would have stunk if a stuck pallet came off the rails.

Would've been the first air-to-air kill of an Il-76!
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Re: Russian Su-30 takes a peek inside a IL-76 over Syria

Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:04 pm

TWA772LR wrote:
starrion wrote:
Would have stunk if a stuck pallet came off the rails.

Would've been the first air-to-air kill of an Il-76!


Think the Iranian have ALREADY done that....
 
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Re: Russian Su-30 takes a peek inside a IL-76 over Syria

Tue Dec 19, 2017 12:35 am

TUGMASTER wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
starrion wrote:
Would have stunk if a stuck pallet came off the rails.

Would've been the first air-to-air kill of an Il-76!


Think the Iranian have ALREADY done that....

For real?
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Re: Russian Su-30 takes a peek inside a IL-76 over Syria

Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:55 am

That was fun to watch!
 
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Re: Russian Su-30 takes a peek inside a IL-76 over Syria

Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:34 am

TWA772LR wrote:
TUGMASTER wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
Would've been the first air-to-air kill of an Il-76!


Think the Iranian have ALREADY done that....

For real?

The Iranians had a Il-76 that was modified into a AEW aircraft that crashed back in 2009. Some sources indicate that the aircraft had an mid-air collision with another Iranian fighter that was escorting it during a military parade.
 
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Re: Russian Su-30 takes a peek inside a IL-76 over Syria

Tue Dec 19, 2017 8:04 am

There is video
Of it out in the web....
Ironically from the back of either another IL76 or a c130
 
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Re: Russian Su-30 takes a peek inside a IL-76 over Syria

Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:41 am

TUGMASTER wrote:
There is video
Of it out in the web....
Ironically from the back of either another IL76 or a c130


https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... h+surfaces
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Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:32 am

Going further, did the Il76 score any kills with it's tail gun? Why did the Soviets add a tail gun to a strategic airlifter? Are there any photos from that position?
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Re: Russian Su-30 takes a peek inside a IL-76 over Syria

Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:15 pm

TWA772LR wrote:
Going further, did the Il76 score any kills with it's tail gun? Why did the Soviets add a tail gun to a strategic airlifter? Are there any photos from that position?


Pretty much all the photos you see here of Mig-31, Su-24 etc refuelling were taken from that position. Also, you can shoot ground targets with it like in this video :-) . But originally I think it was a last means of self defense against fighters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3N40v413OA
 
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Re: Russian Su-30 takes a peek inside a IL-76 over Syria

Thu Feb 08, 2018 8:21 am

sovietjet wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
Going further, did the Il76 score any kills with it's tail gun? Why did the Soviets add a tail gun to a strategic airlifter? Are there any photos from that position?


Pretty much all the photos you see here of Mig-31, Su-24 etc refuelling were taken from that position. Also, you can shoot ground targets with it like in this video :-) . But originally I think it was a last means of self defense against fighters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3N40v413OA

Thanks for the video. Not a chance to hit a ground target and you'd never see a fighter. ;) I noticed that at :40 the cartage casings were falling away. This is the first I've seen of such a disposal.
I'll start a new, off topic thread featuring your video.
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Re: Russian Su-30 takes a peek inside a IL-76 over Syria

Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:27 am

Here's a video of the Danish PM giving a flight of F-16s a wave from the back of a Fat Albert:

https://www.facebook.com/larsloekke/vid ... 08788/?t=0
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Re: Russian Su-30 takes a peek inside a IL-76 over Syria

Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:04 pm

TWA772LR wrote:
Going further, did the Il76 score any kills with it's tail gun? Why did the Soviets add a tail gun to a strategic airlifter? Are there any photos from that position?

Did the Il-76 score any kills....?
I'm pretty sure the answer is no, primarily because I cannot think of any conflict where Il-76s would have come into direct contact with enemy fighter a/c.

Why did the Soviets add a tail gun to a strategic airlifter?
Like the C-17, the Il-76 was designed as both a strategic and a tactical airlifter. Hence if history had taken a different path, as a tactical delivery platform, it may well have found itself in hostile airspace and at lower altitudes subject to attack from hostile a/c.
I'm sure I don't need to point out that the tactical transport it supplemented/replaced, the Antonov An-12, also featured a defensive tail gun position.
Indeed the An-12 tail gun bears a remarkable resemblance to the tail gun on a Tu-95.

Tu-95
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An-12
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Are there any photos from that position?
Here is a view of the back office, but I'm not 100% sure which of the above types it represents.
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Caryjack said "Not a chance to hit a ground target and you'd never see a fighter"
He's right about not hitting a ground target, and he may have a point about fighters opting to use an expensive missile, precisely because of the threat posed by this gun position.
Remember; USAF B-52s continued with a tail gun fitment until final removing this option in 1991; at the very least it stops enemy fighters from taking a "free-shot", and forces them to use a missile that could be jammed.
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Re: Russian Su-30 takes a peek inside a IL-76 over Syria

Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:05 am

SheikhDjibouti wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
Going further, did the Il76 score any kills with it's tail gun? Why did the Soviets add a tail gun to a strategic airlifter? Are there any photos from that position?

Did the Il-76 score any kills....?
I'm pretty sure the answer is no, primarily because I cannot think of any conflict where Il-76s would have come into direct contact with enemy fighter a/c.

Why did the Soviets add a tail gun to a strategic airlifter?
Like the C-17, the Il-76 was designed as both a strategic and a tactical airlifter. Hence if history had taken a different path, as a tactical delivery platform, it may well have found itself in hostile airspace and at lower altitudes subject to attack from hostile a/c.
I'm sure I don't need to point out that the tactical transport it supplemented/replaced, the Antonov An-12, also featured a defensive tail gun position.
Indeed the An-12 tail gun bears a remarkable resemblance to the tail gun on a Tu-95.

Tu-95
Image

An-12
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Are there any photos from that position?
Here is a view of the back office, but I'm not 100% sure which of the above types it represents.
Image

Caryjack said "Not a chance to hit a ground target and you'd never see a fighter"
He's right about not hitting a ground target, and he may have a point about fighters opting to use an expensive missile, precisely because of the threat posed by this gun position.
Remember; USAF B-52s continued with a tail gun fitment until final removing this option in 1991; at the very least it stops enemy fighters from taking a "free-shot", and forces them to use a missile that could be jammed.

Don't forget Soviet 23mm cannon for bomber and transport defense had flare and chaff Rounds available too. You don't have to shoot down a fighter, just blind the missiles.
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Re: Russian Su-30 takes a peek inside a IL-76 over Syria

Fri Feb 09, 2018 9:54 am

Spacepope wrote:
SheikhDjibouti wrote:
TWA772LR wrote:
Caryjack said "Not a chance to hit a ground target and you'd never see a fighter"
He's right about not hitting a ground target, and he may have a point about fighters opting to use an expensive missile, precisely because of the threat posed by this gun position.

Remember; USAF B-52s continued with a tail gun fitment until final removing this option in 1991; at the very least it stops enemy fighters from taking a "free-shot", and forces them to use a missile that could be jammed.

Don't forget Soviet 23mm cannon for bomber and transport defense had flare and chaff Rounds available too. You don't have to shoot down a fighter, just blind the missiles.


I was alluding to the link in the OP where a fighter emerged from beneath cargo plane after the load was dropped. No one here knew it was there until it emerged.
If a fighter was attacking that cargo plane it would come in at an odd angle at a very high rate of speed. I doubt that the rear gunner would get off a shot and may not even see the attacker before it was too late.

Spacepope, OT but take a look at post #6 in the nearby Gun Casing thread. Ozair dug it up in post #2.

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Re: Russian Su-30 takes a peek inside a IL-76 over Syria

Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:18 pm

Caryjack wrote:

If a fighter was attacking that cargo plane it would come in at an odd angle at a very high rate of speed.

Absolutely correct.
But then that means the attacking fighter is relying more & more on "deflection shooting" due to these strange angles, and hurried due to the high closing speeds, with the inevitable result that far fewer rounds will hit their target. That being so, the threat posed by the gun position has done it's job. :checkmark:

In comparison, lining up directly behind an unarmed C-130, taking your time to get it fully in your sights, and pouring gunfire into it at zero deflection angle is going to be a piece of cake.
The unarmed C-130 can make life difficult by executing violent evasive manoeuvers, but basically it is merely putting off the inevitable.

Caryjack wrote:
I doubt that the rear gunner would get off a shot and may not even see the attacker before it was too late.

Only if the Il-76 was left high and dry on its own, without even AWACS or ground radar support.
And it wouldn't just be the rear gunner with his eyes peeled.
If any crew member spotted an incoming fighter, or were alerted by radar, standard evasion procedure (if there was time) would be to turn the Il-76 so that the tail gunner was lined up for a shot.
Obviously a stealth fighter or anything hugging the ground might creep up undetected. But again, the gun postion is fulfilling it's role as a deterrent, and making life difficult for the enemy.

In that respect, the tail gun doesn't even need to be manned, and the "guns" could be two broomsticks, painted black. :lol:

Obviously I fully accept that a determined attack by almost any fighter will ultimately bring down an Il-76, whilst he is wasting time avoiding the tail and getting into position for a clean shot, he himself might fall victim to friendly MIGs coming in fast.
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