copper1
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Proliferation Of Guns In The USA

Mon Jun 12, 2000 7:42 am

What is up with our American friends. They cry after every shooting rampage, politicians make false promises and they all expect sympathy from the rest of the world. We all feel sorry for the victim's families but until you grow some balls and start to control the number of guns it is going to keep happening.

NRA president Charlton Heston said " you can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead hand " Well Chucky you live in the land of gun deaths so it may in fact happen some day.

Your politicians may not have the guts to do the right thing but when enough multi million dollar law suits are made against the gun companies and they have to make the payouts there may be some action. It seems the only thing Americans like more than their guns is launching civil litigation cases against multi million dollar companies.

 
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RE: Proliferation Of Guns In The USA

Mon Jun 12, 2000 8:09 am

I think it fitting Charlton Heston was brandishing a musket when he said this. It's a perfect metaphor for the NRA's rhetoric: It rarely shoots straight and has a tendancy to backfire.

Charles
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Matt D
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RE: Proliferation Of Guns In The USA

Mon Jun 12, 2000 9:31 am

As bad as that may or may not be, few things can speak more blatantly of hypocrisy than these bleeding heart liberals screaming for the banning of guns....while they themselves are packing heat. Dianne Feinstein here in CA is one such example.
When she admitted to that, she should have been thrown out of office right there on the spot.
She is the biggest disgrace to our state. To try and figure out how she can look in the mirror each day or sleep at night, one might as well try and figure out how to start a bonfire at the bottom of the ocean.
 
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RE: Proliferation Of Guns In The USA

Mon Jun 12, 2000 11:24 am

I'm warning you.....don't get me started  
 
NKP S2
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RE: Proliferation Of Guns In The USA

Mon Jun 12, 2000 12:39 pm

Don't get _ME_ started!! Oh please. And stop the phony introspectiveness. What "proliferation of guns"? We have the same amount of of guns in the US (per capita) in private ownership since 1946. What HAS proliferated is the lack of justice. Too politically risky (from the liberal point of view) to go after the "elements" that cause crime--too many votes. All this is really moot as I'm not your "American friend" ,and along with the rest of this country does not care a whit what the rest of the world thinks---leftist media notwithstanding. BTW, do you really think you have "the pulse" of America (or any other country) by forming your judgement(s) from the media, or gathering any knowledge (or lack therof) in such a peripheral manner? Mind your own damn buisness. You one worlder types had your best hope in decades of the US ceding sovereignty due to "world" pressure in Mr. Klinton--but alas he failed,is a lame duck,and you failed. Pompous? You bet your keister. Have a nice day.  
 
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Why Now?

Mon Jun 12, 2000 2:53 pm

I have to ask that question because guns have been around since the birth of this country, the United States. Two hundred years later we're debating this?

If our founding fathers had intended for guns to be outlawed, they would have stated so in the Constitution and Bill of Rights.

I think that all guns should be legal to get no matter their capabilities. Again the founding fathers were not stupid, they know that the technology would only mature.

The fact is that the law-abiting citizens are the ones that are being persecuted here. I have been raised around guns and have been taught that it is a huge responsibility to own one.

I think the laws on the books are more than adequate. The thing that needs to change is the way they are presecuted. Those laws need to be enforced.

- Neil Harrison
 
critter
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RE: Proliferation Of Guns In The USA

Mon Jun 12, 2000 9:45 pm

WOW! Where should I start on such a topic? First I will say thanks to Neil Harrison. It is encouraging to see that a few people still can use the brains that the good Lord gave them.

Another point not to be overlooked, and one that I feel is more important is that of the multi-media. Just turn on any prime time television show or go to a theater and you won't have to sit long to see a character weilding a gun mowing down people indescrimantly. When Hollywood glamorizes and makes violence so prevelent in its productions it corrupts the minds of the population. You know the old saying you are what you eat? Well you can just as easily say you are what you watch. Garbage in Garbage out. Our youth sit and watch television and movies by the hours unsupervised with no guidence given as to right and wrong. They litteraly do not understand the value of life.

Take a trip to your local mall and check out the arcade. I would be willing to bet that half of the games there have a gun and another quarter use graphic violence to show the death and destruction of people and property.

Guns are not the danger, it is the people who are using them that are. Our society has been corrupted and now the bleeding heart liberals are trying to place the blame on the object and not the subject. I stand firm just like Mr. Heston you can take my gun out of my cold dead hand.

critter (law abiding, God Loving, gun owner and citizen of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA)
 
dk
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RE: Proliferation Of Guns In The USA

Mon Jun 12, 2000 11:27 pm

The only reason that our forefathers put the right to bear arms in the constitution was so that all citizens of the U.S. could defend themselves during war. Many years ago we had to fight on our own soil!! That is not the problem today!!!!
 
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RE: Proliferation Of Guns In The USA

Tue Jun 13, 2000 12:17 am

Wrong! the reason the forefathers included a provision of an armed citizenry was to guarantee the security of a free state--that is, to keep a (potentially) overreaching government in check. I'm sure many would like to rewerite the US Constitution to fit current agenda's (curiously leaving the parts THEY like untouched). Tell me: If guns were always so ubiquitous--why is it such a "crisis" now? (Everything,including diaper rash it seems,is a "crisis" to liberals). You know damn well (if one is intellectually honest enough) that the current anti-gun push is a red herring and a perfect way to look like we're "doing SOMEthing" about crime while not actually cracking down on those that really do commit crimes (all people are good!...right?). Libs love to talk in collectivist terms and play the do-gooder nanny state but they wince when they hear terms like "lock 'em up and throw the key away" rhetoric. It's easier to go after the law abiding. Enforce the laws that exist now--punish those harshly who commit crimes with guns (or anything) first...THEN we'll talk. Till then leave us alone.
 
copper1
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RE: Proliferation Of Guns In The USA

Tue Jun 13, 2000 12:23 am

Excellent, this started off slowly but is now building. I knew it would evoke some passionate debate. Everyone so far has made excellent points and both sides could argue forever and not change a single mind on this issue.

I believe that this is the point of these forums, is it not ?

Copper1
 
dk
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RE: Proliferation Of Guns In The USA

Tue Jun 13, 2000 12:38 am

Yes Copper1 you are right! It is great to get others ideas etc. on different types of issues which can make for a lively debate and exchange of information. It can make us look at something a little differently perhaps and that can lead to understanding (hopefully)! It's what makes the "world go round"!  
 
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RE: Proliferation Of Guns In The USA

Tue Jun 13, 2000 1:08 am

A rousing debate and a potentially "hot" post to be sure...but,IMO deliberately inflammatory. I don't go around spouting off my opinions on politics of other countries as it's bound to cause a stir for no reason. I do not want to be at all patronizing when I say that you have a good reason for thinking the way you do...based on what you know or what you see. The crux of why I beleve you are mistaken is that you believe that the US media (or profiles of the US on foreign media) ouput is a microcosm of this country. It is not. The media (arguably left of center in it's REPORTING bias--as opposed to the monied interests that own it) is who is "crying" about gun violence"--along with a few opportunist loudmouths. It's always the same. No matter the "crisis" du-jour (tobacco,guns,"road rage",wetlands--you name it), the "solution" is always the same...More government intervention in daily lives. Whether you think this is a good thing or not is likely to vary due to the zeitgeist of ones own country and your personal experiences. The point is that the "crisis" angle is used to railroad through,using the momentum of hysteria,legislation. Doesn't matter if it works or not--and many liberals admit it won't--not that they (not ALL liberals--just the purveyors of this nonsense) care, as long as they feel good for "doing something". "For the children" of course! Of course the sad fact is that much of this "marketing" of do-gooder legislation is enabled by an apathetic,myopic public. Some say it's TV/Movie violence, but I don't know---I think it's upbringing..morals..or lack thereof. Self absorbed parents? I (and my peers) watched all the 1930's-1950's cartoons and other comedies (bugs bunny,3 stooges) as the characters fought,bashed each others brains in etc and yet did not become a sociopath. The freedom to act reponsibly and enoy it is what makes this country what it is--the individual. You have a right to do anything you want--as log as it doesn't interfere with anybody elses rights. I will not accept the fact the notion that we should surrender freedoms and lower rights to a common denomiator because SOMEONE ELSE cannot--will not behave responsibly. This is why I feel the way I do about guns--and why someone from a different land may find my support of the 2nd amendment incomrehensible. Good day.
 
critter
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RE: Proliferation Of Guns In The USA

Tue Jun 13, 2000 2:37 am

NKP S2 for President!!!!!!!!

All kidding aside your thoughts were expressed very eloquently. I couldn't have said it better myself. It is also refreshing to see some posts that obviously come from educated minds and not a pimple popping teenager spouting pre-pubescent nonsense. Thank you for the breath of fresh air in knowing that there are some people who still believe in morals, values, and conservative points of view.

critter
 
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RE: Proliferation Of Guns In The USA

Tue Jun 13, 2000 2:47 am

Thanks Critter for your vote of confidence! They say Sunlight is the best disinfectant...just tryin' to shed a little. Take care. Tom.

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