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Worst Crimes Of Humankind

Thu Jul 13, 2000 8:33 pm

Which crimes in whole human history are by your opinion "the worst"?

My list is:
Staljin's murder of many millions
Killing and stealing land of Native Americans first by colonist from Europe,
and then by "americans" (descendants if the first)
Holocaust
Nuclear bomb on Nagasaki - first was unfortunately necessary, but second was pure war crime
Vietnam war
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RE: Worst Crimes Of Humankind

Thu Jul 13, 2000 9:23 pm

9A-CRO,

Without starting WW3, I'd like to say that this is 'not' a very sensible subject to post. Every person has their own opinions on this matter & some people may be 'very' offended if they read that their country is being accused if genocides/wars/invasions etc when they really aren't to blame.

I just think that maybe this is the kind of subject that is more *personal* than of general interest.
Don't get me wrong, I'm into freedom of speach but I don't think its very clever to post just a topic considering how we have such a wide variety of cultures & nationalities on the board...

Just my opinion.

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RE: Worst Crimes Of Humankind

Thu Jul 13, 2000 11:27 pm

I live in Oklahoma City,Oklahoma( in the united states) I think the worst crime of all time would have to be the bombing of the fedural building in down town oklahoma city. i was only in third grade. we heard the big *BANG* and thought it was a sonic boom. then the counsler came around about 20 minutes later and said
" if you have parents that work downtown please come with me." they finally found out it was some shit head named timothy mcveigh who had bombed the building. they convcted him to the death penalty the other person involved " terry nichols was lucky and got life in prison. oklahoma city is now workinig on a trail here in the city.those ass holes killed my friends dad. plus 167 other people. that is the worst crime ever!!!
 
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RE: Worst Crimes Of Humankind

Thu Jul 13, 2000 11:43 pm

The European colonization and exploitation of Africa is responsible for upsetting a delicate civilization which lead to the present day suffering of hundreds of millions.

(In my opinion anyway.)
 
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RE: Worst Crimes Of Humankind

Fri Jul 14, 2000 1:18 am

I would say the holocaust was the worst of all. All those millions of people did not deserve to be killed, espeicially the Jews.

Stalins mass-murdering was also bad. Slavery was terrible. Apartheid was really ugly. And I would say anyone who kills anyone, is bad.
 
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RE: Worst Crimes Of Humankind

Fri Jul 14, 2000 1:24 am

The killing of the Jews was prety bad, but Uncle Joe killed more in Russia and Mao killed more in China. Those far-leftists sure know how to get things done.

I'm not sure if Mao killed more outright or if the 30 million or so died solely because of bad communist agricultural policy and the resulting famine. Can anyone correct me on this?
 
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RE: Worst Crimes Of Humankind

Fri Jul 14, 2000 2:16 am

FOR Virgin744: The crimes I listed do not mean that all of
people from countries mentioned are to blame.
In wars in ex-Yugoslavia there were many war crimes,
commited by persons from all nationalites (I won't tell which were the worst, but you propably know it)

producing weapons is maybe one of the worst crimes,
altough literaly it isn't a crime but it leads to it
I can't tell which weapon use is bigger crime - nuclear (Hiroshima), chemical (in Iraq) or biological (did you know that many Indians were killed because the colonist gave them infected clothes with diseases which native inhabitants of Americas are not immune)
(examples are for illustration purposes)

And mass crimes are best described by one of the participants
one Nazi (I think it is Adolph Eichmann but I'm not sure, I've heard other versions as well)
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RE: Worst Crimes Of Humankind

Fri Jul 14, 2000 12:50 pm

The Holocaust was the worst. It was terrible!
 
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RE: Worst Crimes Of Humankind

Fri Jul 14, 2000 3:31 pm

...also include the killing fields of Cambodia and Rwanda.
 
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Virgin744

Fri Jul 14, 2000 4:06 pm

Howdy

While I can understand what you are saying, unless we as a human race can recognise the past, and forgive for it, we as a race will not be able to advance as one (as can be seen in the post-apartheid South Africa).

I think this is a very valid question. If only to let one Burmese person see how much they are being controlled by the military. In Serbia, there is no such thing as free press and they know no different (in fact, I have a friend who is living in Serbia as we speak, and various news sites are duly block by the Serbian government in allowed outside views being broadcast. News in Serbia is obtained thru the underground press).

As for me personally, I think the worst crimes against *man*kind are:

The Holocaust
Russia under Stalin
Cambodia (made even worse as the people killed were Pol Pot's brothers and sisters)
Rwanda
Manchuria
Communist China under Mao

In fact, any killing at all in my book is a crime against humankind.
 
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RE: Worst Crimes Of Humankind

Fri Jul 14, 2000 4:29 pm

CStarU - that's the good point about minefields,
it is the most scary conventional weapon,
there are many mines in Croatia, but fortunately
on rather small area which is marked well so there
are not many cases of people steppig on mines, but still it will take years to return life to normal
fortunately regions with mines are also scarcely populated and without too fertile land
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RE: Worst Crimes Of Humankind

Fri Jul 14, 2000 4:49 pm

9A-CRO

What's so terrible about these mines especially anti-personnel (i.e. toe poppers, daisy cutters) is that it sometimes doesn't kill rather just maime...If it's me, I rather die than be a cripple.
 
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RE: Brissie_lions

Fri Jul 14, 2000 5:16 pm

To quote you:

"In fact, any killing at all in my book is a crime against humankind"


i couldn't agree more with you, gay or straight!
 
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RE: Brissie_lions

Fri Jul 14, 2000 5:19 pm

To all who didn't understand my last comment, that was an in-joke between Brissie_lions & me....
 
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RE: Worst Crimes Of Humankind

Sat Jul 15, 2000 12:23 am

One of the worst crimes was the systematic, illegal confiscation & elimination of the Native American race from Alaska to Tierra del Fuego (and everywhere in between), by the European powers, not just lasting for a few years, but for HOUNDREDS of years. In the most conservative of estimates, there were 70 million inhabitants in the Americas before 1492. Thanks to disease (by far the worst killer), wars, conquest, and the loss of land which starved many to death due to lack of farming space, around a third of the population of the new world was wiped out. That would be 25 million, again in the most conservative count. Some estimate that, depending on some variables, it could be doubled this amount, specially if the original population number was much higher than 70 million. Of course this does not count numbers from the generations after the original extermination, that were also killed, used as slave labor, or forced at gun point or bayonet to leave their lands, and zooed in revervation all over the continent. It also does not include the discrimination these people face to this day. Let's not even get into the fact that so many cultures were lost forever.

And it is all of this that makes this such a calamity. The fact that virtually ALL OF YOU do not know or have not mentioned of this is what makes this holocaust so tragic.
 
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John Howard

Sat Jul 15, 2000 12:36 am

Australian Liberal Parties (JOHN HOWARD) 10% GST
which has caused a 24% increase in flying at most of the Archerfield schools anyway.. and education was meant to be GST free

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RE: Worst Crimes Of Humankind

Sat Jul 15, 2000 4:21 am

The Holocaust - This has got to be the most evil and vile crime against humanity ever conceived. It is no wonder that "Never Again" has become the rallying cry among the Jewish against anti-Semitism. My mother and my sister went to visit the site of one of the concentration camps, I think it was Auschwitz, last year. Even though none of my relatives are Jewish, the Holocaust is a terrible, terrible thing to have occured and I sincerely hope that nothing like this ever occurs again.

Josef Stalin (aka Josef Dugashvili - the name "Stalin" was acquired because he was reputed to have escaped from a Georgian jail, as Stalin is Russian for "steel") He was no better than that evil German who started the Holocaust. Even more died under his rule than during the Holocaust, being put into gulags (labor camps) just because they were Jews, anti-Communists and for other reasons for no man, woman or child should be killed or even jailed for.

The systematic and racist inhumane treatment of Native Americans was just as bad all across the Americas. They have been attacked and driven off the land so settlers could put down roots in stolen territory. Disease came and wiped out Native Americans in great numbers and very little was done to help them. In the Plains, entire tribes were rounded up and shot as if they were animals and not human beings. Treaties were drawn up to swindle them of land and wealth and so many were left with small reservations, like animals in wildlife preserves. In Canada, and probably the US, if a Native American chose to live outside the reservation, he or she would've lost their status as Native Americans and simply were lumped in with other ethnic minorities (who also came along with the Europeans, and well afterwards). Even today in Canada and the US, too many Native Americans are living in poverty at or near Third World levels, even to the point where they have no more acess to safe water and food than even in many Third World countries. Not to mention the discrimination, in some cases, even worse than what African-Americans and African-Canadians experience.

Cambodia, China and Rwanda, among many totalitarian regimes were also no better. Cambodia, the Khmer Rouge under Pol Pot were responsible for the infamous mountains of human skulls. Makes me wonder how sick an individual Pol Pot was. China, under Mao, was ruthless, too in pursuing its Communist China policy, having killed a lot of people who were branded as anticommunists or even decadent. Rwanda - look at how largely the tribal war between the Hutus and the Tutsis have resulted in. At least a few hundred thousand people have been killed. Almost nothing was done in intervene. NATO and the US could've prevented such a tragedy. For the UN personnel stationed there, it was too much for them to handle. A Canadian Armed Forces commander stationed there had been denouncing the ignorance by the rest of the world to this African tragedy. He became so affected by seeing the killings that he suffers from post-traumatic syndrome. He went largely unseen, until a reporter found him drunk on a park bench in Ottawa and he was vindicated in a UN report slamming the ignorance of the Rwandan crisis. An international crisis like this will no doubt affect even those not from where the tragedy has struck.

Let's not forget those who helped to defeat the Nazis and those who today work to help the victims, whether it be the UN or the Red Cross and others.
 
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RE: Worst Crimes Of Humankind

Sat Jul 15, 2000 5:16 am

FOR NewWorldFlyer: I agree with you but you should read the thread more carefuly,
- colonization of Americas was mentioned in the initial message, and in later post I have illustrated the use of primitive biological weapons on Native Americans

Samurai 777: very good point about ineficiency of UN,
this week was 5 anniversary of slaughter in Srebrenica, which UN declared as it's protected zone but those french army jerks didn't move a finger when serbian forces entered Srebrenica and began their slaughter-fest
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RE: Worst Crimes Of Humankind

Sat Jul 15, 2000 5:32 am

I think the worst crimes of humankind are more far-reaching than any one incident. I think prejudice, intolerance, bigotry, racism and hatred overall are the worst crimes we commit every day. The Holocaust, Stalin's purges, the very existence of the Ku Klux Klan...all are unspeakable crimes and all are results of more basic crimes of hatred which find their seeds in the minds of human beings.

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