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EU+US+Canada+Australia- One Country

Sun Jul 30, 2000 8:25 am

Sometimes i believe Europe, the US, Canada and Australia and NZ should be one country. 80% of these countries residents are originally from Europe. It would be the worlds powerhouse and the best country world-wide with tremendous economic opportunities.

What do you think?

reno_air
 
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RE: EU+US+Canada+Australia- One Country

Sun Jul 30, 2000 10:17 am

I think in theory it is a good idea. But in practise, it could never work.

1. Each of these countries have worked hard to gain their independance (ie Canada, Australia, and US), sometimes violently.

2. I suppose it counts less for the EU nations, as they are slowly forfeiting national independance for a single European country, but for Australians, Canadians, and Americans, national pride, and independance are still highly held.

3. Animosity between some of the nations. Although not an American, I have noticed, particularly on this board, some aggrivated feelings toward Americans from Australians. Canadians and Americans don't seem to mind each other, jsut so long as you don't call a Canadian, an American.


4. Trivial stuff like: What version of English would be used. The British and Australian feel the American version to be arrogant, and usually don't recognise it. Americans hold American English as a patriotic rite. What side of the road would we drive on? I suppose things in that area would stay untouched, but for any country to change driving styles, would be incredibly costly, and confusing as hell. However, it would be strange for a single country to drive on both sides of the road. Other endless stuff like that.


The list could go on, and on, but the message is clear: A nice thought, but not practical.

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RE: EU+US+Canada+Australia- One Country

Sun Jul 30, 2000 10:49 am

I agree with LH423. It would never work.
 
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RE: EU+US+Canada+Australia- One Country

Sun Jul 30, 2000 11:15 am

Why does this kind of post bring to my head one liners like: "White power! White power! White power!!...

I'm not accusing anyone of being a racist here, but it's the honest truth to what I thought of first when I read the headline sentence.
 
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Itd Take A Yank

Sun Jul 30, 2000 11:46 am

it would take a yank to come up witha statment like that.. The Australian, Candian and US mentalitys are very very different.. I know I woundt want to be classed equal to a yank I like the independence of Australia, you meet a better class of person.. Canadians are also more like Australians in the way they think.. trust me my grandfather was Australian.

Regards,

Aussiemite
 
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RE: Itd Take A Yank

Sun Jul 30, 2000 12:02 pm

Are you suggesting that the world be dominant with western powers. Or some western white people. There are alot of white trash in the country so we really wouldn't want any racial war to spark. This could cause another great war.
 
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RE: EU+US+Canada+Australia- One Country

Sun Jul 30, 2000 6:13 pm

There wasnt any racial background.
In the distant future there will surely be one nation earth, so the days of national pride are numbered. One the Internet it already doesnt matter what color you have and where you come from.

And each country keeps its language, there is no need for one single language. Just a single legislation, one currency and a foederalistic setup. This would present tremendous business opportunities.

reno_air
 
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RE: EU+US+Canada+Australia- One Country

Sun Jul 30, 2000 11:52 pm

I think everybody's analyzing this way too seriously. Reno_air was just posting a "what if." Of course it most likely would never happen, but I think it's interesting to analyze the possibilities. I agree with Reno_air that there could be economic advantages. I disagree with the "white power" comment. If current demographic trends continue, whites will be the slight minority in America within the next 20 years or so, and I think Australia and NZ have diverse populations (Asians, Natives, etc.)

I do believe there would be difficulties governing such a massive country that covers about a 3rd of the globe. I also wonder whether Reno_air would include Russia in this country. If so, that would be way more than half the globe. Wouldn't the other half get pissed? You'd essentially have the 1st world united (by today's standards) and the 2nd/3rd world countries... what would they do?
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RE: EU+US+Canada+Australia- One Country

Mon Jul 31, 2000 9:08 am

I actually like Reno_air's opinion. A one-nation Earth might happen, but not for a very, very long time, as there are too many cultures and too much national pride for this to ever happen in our lifetime. Not to mention conflicting interests and other factors such as the growing gap between the rich and poor. Unless some evil totalitarian dictator was bent on this kind of vision, causing World War III. This is definitely not the way I want to see future history go! If there's to be one Earth, one people, one nation, I'd want to see this come about gradually and peacefully, especially with most of the major issues affecting the world solved.

 
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RE: EU+US+Canada+Australia- One Country

Tue Aug 01, 2000 7:44 am

Anyone read Revelation? We're going to end up as one world anyway... This would be just one step towards the EOTWAWKI.
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RE: EU+US+Canada+Australia- One Country

Tue Aug 01, 2000 7:58 am

Anyone watch Star Trek? We're going to end up as one world anyway... This would be just one step towards developing warp technology, meeting and becoming friends with the Vulcans, and becoming a charter member of the United Federation of Planets.
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RE: EU+US+Canada+Australia- One Country

Tue Aug 01, 2000 8:40 am

Redngold - what the hell is EOTWAWKI!? I'm sorry, but the joke is lost on me.

TWAFirst - you must be a born Trekkie - maybe there really is a civilization where its people have pointy ears and worship logic like nobody else! LOL  

Anyone watch Babylon 5? We're going to end up as one world anyway...This would be one step towards fighting and then making up with the Minbari, setting up EarthGov in Geneva and having a Earth-Minbari war vet by the name of John Sheridan declare his station, Babylon 5, as his own little country when some nut case takes over EarthGov.
 
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RE: EU+US+Canada+Australia- One Country

Tue Aug 01, 2000 12:09 pm

Samurai 777: EOTWAWKI stands for End Of The World As We Know It.

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RE: EU+US+Canada+Australia- One Country

Tue Aug 01, 2000 9:06 pm

It sounds like an interesting idea, but just think of the elections!!!

The thought of Tony Blair and Bill Clinton's slimey, smarmy faces constantly lying at me through the TV makes me want to puke! (and with that many voters involved the election campaigns could go on for years). AAARRRGGGHHH!!!

I just pray it'll never happen.

Al

 
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RE: EU+US+Canada+Australia- One Country

Wed Aug 02, 2000 2:53 am

Thank you very much, LH423. Now I understand what Redngold's getting at.

Samurai 777
 
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RE: EU+US+Canada+Australia- One Country

Wed Aug 02, 2000 7:24 am

We tried it, it was called the British Commonwealth. As more and more countries decided on independence, it faded away. There was also the British Empire which took in parts of Africa and Asia.

If it were to happen, what would it be called?

One World
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RE: EU+US+Canada+Australia- One Country

Fri Aug 04, 2000 5:27 am

Hmmmm. It is an interesting proposal. However, I believe nothing like that will happen at least for the next few hundred or so years or until an extraterrestial intelligent race is discovered. Then everyone would form up in order to protect their own identity as just humans. As far as language barriers are concerned, english-language accents would not be much of a problem at all...Just put someone from California, Minnesota, Mississippi, and New York side by side and listen to the way they talk. They sound almost as different as generic American from generic British (as if there is such a thing) and our country can still function as one. The real problem would be dealing with all of those European languages. You've got the major ones like German, French, Spanish, Italian, and maybe Russian (if that country was included), plus the Scandinavian languages, Greek, Slavic languages, Dutch, etc. But I guess if there can be a European Parliament and their is already an EU, then from a language standpoint integrating more English (don't forget Ireland) into the fold would probably not be too hard.

Aaron G.
 
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RE: EU+US+Canada+Australia- One Country

Fri Aug 04, 2000 6:25 am

Sorry, Samurai777 and the others who didn't know what I meant. It's an Internet acronym so I thought you would know it. It also is usually written TEOTWAWKI... I was tired when I wrote it.

If anyone here has read the "Left Behind" series of books (very popular here in the U.S.), the authors of the books are writing about their interpretation of the Book of Revelation. There's a whole "one world government" called the "Global Community" which is ruled by the AntiChrist.

It's a pretty good series, whether you believe the Bible and the Book of Revelation or not.
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RE: EU+US+Canada+Australia- One Country

Fri Aug 04, 2000 7:46 am

Keep in mind that Scotland, Ireland and Wales primarily speak gaelic. Most of the people dont know that.

And the EU parliament does not speak english solely, they have 500 full time translators!!!

avion
 
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Ridiculous!

Sat Aug 05, 2000 10:05 pm

Sorry but to me this is a fairly ludicrous notion. The practicalities would prevent it alone!
Where to draw the line? The original post didn't include New Zealand, someone else said what about Russia. To try and find a basis to unify all EU states, the US, Canada and Australia would require such a broad set of criteria that Russia would have to meet them - unless it was based solely on economic wealth. And then what about South Africa? Chile? Argentina? Where do you draw the line? There are similarities between all of them!
Would each state retain its own protectionist trade measures? If the US did not drop tariffs and subsidies on wheat and lamb, and Australia did not stop protecting Salmon farmers from Canadian imports, and the EU did not drop tariffs that keep out many New Zealand dairy products, etc then most of the benefits economically would disappear dwon the drain.
What about integrating legal systems? Sorry but when I look at the US legal system all I can say is please don't let Australia end up like that. Which authority of law would prevail on a particular issue when they are different? To keep it geographically different would negate the effects of unification. And does this legal system use a British-orginating common law system, a Roman-Dutch system, a French Civil system?
What about setting up a federation as was mentioned: do each of the Australian states, each of the Canadian provinces, each of the US states each become a member of the federation? Then that would be hugely unfair on New Zealand, the UK, France, etc which are all unitary. Tasmania (or Delaware) would have the same power in a multi-member constituted house of parliament as the whole of France!
And a system of overall government: do Australia, New Zealand and the UK have to accept a Presidential style of central government? Or will the US and France accept a parliamentary executive?
The differences are so great that overcoming them would come close to bankrupting the whole country. Look at the financial cost of reunifying the BRD and DDR: it is still costing all Germans a fortune, and the social division it has created is enormous. Imagine trying to unify France and Germany into one country!
While the idea of simplified trade and travel appeal, as do wamr and fuzzy notions of global unity, national pride is still too strong to allow it - and in my estimation will remain so. The EU is our best guide. Depite WWI, WWII, and the Cold War Europe cannot even manage partial integration - the reason: national consiousness.
The way to achieve the benefits that would flow from unifacction into one state are through reduced trade barriers, free trade, unification of both private and public law (through UNIDROIT, the ILC, ILO, ICC, IMO, and ISO), the implementation of the Rome Convention's Internaional Criminal Court together with consent by states such as the USA to the jurisdiction of the International Court of Justice.
International law and free trade are the tools to achieve unity and economic growth.
 
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RE: EU+US+Canada+Australia- One Country

Sat Aug 05, 2000 10:11 pm

Actually, Scotland and Ireland speak primarily Englsih even though their respective forms of Gaelic are the native language. Only in Wales and in some places Ireland will you find an extremely significant percentage of people that speak Welsh Gaelic fluently.

Aaron G.
 
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RE: EU+US+Canada+Australia- One Country

Sun Aug 06, 2000 6:13 pm

Cross out the last "Welsh" in the previous post.

Aaron G.

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